Immigrants setting fire to 60 cars at frölunda torg in Sweden - General

So what assumption would you say they're making? Because the only assumption I see is that "well, this was a high profile arson case, the last high profile arson case was the riots in 2013". Anything else is you grasping at straws.

He's saying that BBC wouldn't talk about immigration as an issue if it wasn't connected to this case. I don't agree with the logic, though, since BBC is basically just reporting on what the debate around it is - so, commenting on the fact that many people in Sweden will believe this was done by immigrants, without BBC necessarily assuming that it actually was.

I'm sorry, but you claiming they're immigrants is not proof. Try again, and maybe provide some actual evidence and not your biased anecdotes.

Thank you, I had my big red marker out and was about to start drawing circles and arrows, whether you agree or not. You can make assumptions without making accusations, it's what is normal to do when presented with a lack of evidence, and the BBC don't seem to indicating the peoples suspicions to be far right nationalists, we literally have a swede who says he has first hand experience too but he's probably just racist.

also like, let's look at your posting history: 4 in 10 millennials don't know 6 million Jews were killed in Hol.. here's you pulling a classic "you know we don't know how many jews were actually killed could of been much less YOU NEVER KNOW ", and saying the germans were forced to sign a paper that says 6 million i shouldn't need to spell it out that you're obviously trying to say "theres no proof that many people died" but don't want to get called an anti-semitic asshole, despite you being one, but you're going to deny it so I'll skip that part of the convo and go directly to saying this. I'm starting to like no rules, I can tell shitbag nazis like you that you're human garbage and not get banned! Maybe if you didn't get mad because someone worships a different nonexistant being than you or has different melanin concentration or whatever bullshit you're using to mentally justify being a racist shitbag, you'd enjoy life more. Behaviour of Chinese people in Starbucks dictated by what their .. Here's you saying that there's no link between location and being social, which is fair, but you then immediately follow it up with I do think this is an interesting topic however and it's nice to see that they are gathering data. Wow, who does this remind me of? Really makes me think. Maybe it was Tudd, who pulled this exact crap where he'd deny something then immediately follow up with "I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING WINK WINK"? No, that couldn't of been it. Hans Asperger aided and supported Nazi programme, study says Here's you bending over backwards to justify someone supporting the Nazi Regime. That's two nazi things so far, weird, huh? The Golden One, is that you? French woman punched by catcaller in public for telling him to ".. Here's you whining like a little bitch because someone is being outed as a creepy asshole and people are rightfully calling for new legislation against the sexual harassment that occured here right before the assault, and how it's "not needed". Weird how you scream about the refugees being horrible, and how if I were to look into all these claims you're making, one of the biggest ones is "refugees are gang raping swedish women", yet you're perfectly okay with a woman getting sexually harassed on the street if it's not by one of those refugees you hate so much? Youth gang torch cars in Gothenburg, Trollhättan and other citie.. Here's you claiming that all the problems are caused by "immigrants, antifa, or nazis" You need to prove it was immigrants with hard facts. Antifa is a reactionary force. They show up when nazis show up. Like the group you're a part of? Weird how you'd throw your fellow nazis under the bus like this.

How would I get non anecdotal evidence in a country that doesn't put country of birth in either reports or media? It's very clear to almost everyone here that it was a gang of immigrants. Swedes don't do this. Nazis hurt people they don't blow up Swedes cars systemically.

So you don't have proof, is what you're saying? Go back to your white nationalist group and brag about how you owned the libs already, you're not convincing anyone and are just wasting your time. Maybe you'll realize on the way back that your movement is going to be a footnote in humanity's history labeled "that time those racist fuckwits tried to rise up and failed horribly"

Goofball the more I see of you the more I'm genuinely concerned for you. You have such a spiteful, hateful approach to people with differing opinions it's not even funny. I'm not flaming, being mean or whatever, but you're seeing things that are not there. You are showing an obvious lack of understanding or knowledge of the situation on the streets of Europe and instead you bundle this guy up as a fucking nazi because he is telling the rest of us about what he has heard and seen. He hasn't given any particular opinions on the matter and you're digging into his past like you did mine when I started asking questions about the UK/France/Syria/Russia situation. Check yourself man, seriously.

I don't really see how I can interpret this in any non-racist way. Whether or not the people were actually immigrants, I assume white people are just as capable of setting fires as brown and black people. "Oh, look: here are some evil black people setting fires!!!!" https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*8XU3sY_mbNlSFoUz1vccKQ.jpeg

"How am I supposed to prove it was immigrants!? I just KNOW it was because REAL Swedes can't be criminals!" You heard it here first folks, Sweden is apparently a utopia where the only crimes committed are ones by immigrants.

That's a stretch, I think we can leave he's making the assumption that it was immigrants. At this point I don't think any of you lot care if it was migrants or not you're just parroting the general "never make an assumption no matter how much experience you attain" thing.

There is no way to prove it was immigrants with hard facts because they are disguised and their country of origin is not reported in reports or media because it's considered racist. Antifa is not purely a reactionary force and if I need proof for what I say you should post proof of that they are. You know, maybe the fact that I'm throwing nazis under the bus is because I'm not a nazi or part of some white nationalist group? The reason I only post in those threads is because I'm seeing a pattern in how people here handle everything critical of immigration politics, feminism etc. and it's not a pretty sight. You are censoring good discussion by acting like children shouting the same thing over and over again.

When his posting history here comprises entirely of supporting neo-nazi ideals, it's not a hard fucking conclusion to come to that he himself is a neo-nazi.

The problem is that this kind of mentality can lead to people claiming ridiculous things that turn out to be untrue. Remember when Lauren Southern and The Rebel Media at large claimed that an attack on a Mosque in Canada was caused by Muslims when it turned out to be a far-right arsehole? That's why it's important that we require evidence before making claims.

It's a no-true-scotsman.

I'm gonna be real with you here, I don't see him supporting a single nazi ideal in a single one of your examples. Maybe you could be more specific about one or two and quote it with what you think the meaning is, because your post is ramblings that don't reflect on what he said OR meant.

If you read my previous comments I'm not saying that it's the whiteness or "race" that makes them better, I'm blaming socioeconomics and subculture so I really can't see how you can interpret what I'm saying as racist without mental gymnastics. If you have a lot of immigrants coming to a country they are bound to be of lower socioeconomic status therefore brown people are more likely to commit crimes than Swedish white people. It's not hard to understand if you try and it's actually proven in statistics all over the world. Granted in some countries the whites probably would be in lower status and be overrepresented in crime but I'm talking specifically about Sweden.

I'm in total agreement here, evidence is needed, but at the same time half the continent is making the same assumption so it's worth speaking THAT at least.

Also Nice touch with the KKK picture, bet you won some agrees with that.

What part of not-so-subtly implying the holocaust is blown out of proportion doesn't ring as nazi apologist to you? Admittedly the Hans thread is a bit of a stretch in retrospect but it's mighty fucking suspicious when paired with the, you know, trying to imply the holocaust was exaggerated and wasn't actually that big. A common belief among actual nazis.

"I can't prove it wasn't immigrants but I just know it was! I'm not racist but swedes can't be criminals!" Your intentions are so transparent it's embarrassing.

I didn't in any way shape or form state that the holocaust is blown out of proportion. I was basically making a case that the witch hunt for people associated with it is getting out of hand and then I read the report and went back on what I previously said because it was a good report.

Can you show me where he does that please, I'm struggling to find it. All I'm seeing is him saying we don't know the exact numbers and condemns the whole thing anyway.

Whilst this can be true in certain countries, for sure, and you are following a reasonably rational logical trajectory, you literally said that white Swedes don't start fires, not that they start fires less often. That's what makes it go from representing statistics to being racist.

That's him pulling that "intentionally phrase it as a question" bullshit. He's obviously intending to say the numbers are false, but he phrased it in a way that's both plausibly deniable but also impossible to condemn because "well what if he meant X" despite it being an obvious dogwhistle.

No what he said was historically correct, we don't know the real numbers, and as he said in the same post, it doesn't really matter, the event is equally atrocious whether you give or take a million. You are lost in your own nations division, I suspect.

No it does not because I'm not saying that x causes y but I guess language or what people are really saying doesn't matter eh? I will concede that I'm being intentionally in your face with what I'm writing to spark a reaction so we can have a good discussion about it but if you aren't reading what I'm actually saying and just take stuff out of context or attack me t make some kind of strawman then what is the point?

I would hardly consider what's transpired in this thread a "good discussion". I'd re-evaluate being "intentionally in your face" since it isn't doing you or this thread any favors.

Två unga män anhållna efter bilbränder i Göteborg | Aftonbladet So they have taken two men in to custody and there might be more later but as I said, no mention of who they were or why they did it.

It's a similar case in the UK also, alot of violence gets swept under the rug in the name of national security, don't worry man I've honestly argued this blue in the face on Facepunch for months. Find what you can to present an argument at least, your sources won't be on par with the forums expectations because you're right in saying it will be difficult because of censorship. Unfortunately this line of thinking is going to lead to a very explosive and confusing end.