Immigrants setting fire to 60 cars at frölunda torg in Sweden - General

Please think twice if you're planning on voting for Sverigedemokraterna, they're nationalists and populists and I have no doubts that they're downplaying their actual motives in the eyes of the public and to thereby stay relevant and have legitimacy in swedish politics. That will change once they gain enough suport and power.

I'd say the contents of their official manifesto isn't what worries most people opposed to SD; it's the shit that is seeping out from behind it. SD puts huge efforts into coming off as presentable, but when such an alarming number of controversies involving their politicians surface you sort of have to wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Will you take their supposed agenda at face value and trust that they have the capacity to fix everything the other blocks are somehow incapable of, and hope that they're not housing a bunch of racists in their ranks despite evidence pointing to the contrary?

The other issue is that they're a one trick pony party. Their politics are so focused on immigration, they kind of avoid talking about other aspects of society.

The Sweden democrats are gonna be comparable to the size of the moderates and the social democrats after the next election, if the polls are to be trusted. That doesn’t mean every party should adopt the policies of the Sweden democrats of course, but I’m not sure I buy that it would necessarily lose them many voters, at least judging by what’s happened in Denmark. The social democrats here became more popular and DF less after the social democrats adopted a more hardline stance. The DF voters are mainly former social democrat voters, keep in mind. And the current social democrats don’t necessarily feel like they can run elsewhere, or at least more stay than go.

I'm not particularly a fan of SD myself but this is bogus. "Least favored party" how? They got the third most votes during the election in 2014 so I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

This is simply not true anymore, they have ideas about everything that the other parties do. They are for example pro new nuclear power which I also like since we could power everything cleanly and our country's position protects us from natural disasters and they want harder check ups for private health care clinics which I'm also big on since I work in health care. There are plenty of other reasons to vote for them.

Read the rest of the thread man. If I just thought it it would be another thing but I had the first hand experience of my friend to go on. As someone posted one guy has been apprehended on his way to turkey so I guess that's as much evidence as we are going to get.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh6NkM7U0AACqcD?format=jpg In the 2014 election they got 13% of the vote. Think about the overwhelming majority who did not vote for them. How do you call that ‘favourable’?

Are you intentionally trying to skew things or what? They got 13% as a single party. They got the third highest amount of votes of any party and that without being aligned with any of the two major sides. How does that equate to not being liked in your mind? I honestly do not get it.

Well I mean clearly it has lost them votes, because the SocDems are going down and mainstream parties with them, while SD is gaining popularity. SD has succesfully pulled the debate towards their anti-immigration focus. The mainstream parties have failed at reacting to it properly. As for Denmark, I can’t really say why it works over there and it doesn’t literally anywhere else. Recent research that SocDem parties would fair better these days if they combine progressive social stances with real (not third way) SocDem economic policy: https://mobile.twitter.com/tabouchadi/status/1009376845194846209 This is about the Dutch SocDems so the political landscape differs a bit, but: https://mobile.twitter.com/tabouchadi/status/1023886825977458688

"Party unfavorability" is a metric that doesn't really have much relevance in real life. Take Geert Wilders party in the Netherlands. 67% of the people might despise it, but if like 25% of the people vote for them, they just won the next elections. And they usually make it 3rd or 2nd place. Orban's party is also the most unfavorable here, yet their support from voting age population is like three times as much as the next party has. People have strong opinions about parties with more radical platforms, its not exactly a shocking revelation.

A substantial majority of Swedes do not view the SD favourably and did not vote for them. Look at the graphic I included. How does this not make sense to you? Most Swedes do not view the SD favourably. They are not the ‘voice of the people’. The mainstream parties are viewed more favourably by far. That’s what I’m saying. Here’s a nice twitter thread for you: https://mobile.twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1017418986558980098

... do you not understand how elections work?

Third. Does that not make sense to you? There are more parties below SD than above it. No party is "the voice of the people" because people in Sweden are not a hivemind. I thought that was obvious but evidently not.

The PVV has 13% of the vote right now. The only reason why they’re the second largest party is because the electorate of the three previously dominant parties (PvdA, CDA, VVD) has mostly spread over a bunch of smaller parties. In the Netherlands, anti-immigration parties can, at most, count on around 20% of the electorate. That still means that 80% of the electorate, a large majority, does not support those views.

i'm usually very much on the side of the left but this post screams symptoms of stockholm syndrome "the grenade attacks are not even THAT bad guys"

Sweden is fucked. Show's over. Close the country

I know that they were aliens from outer space, I just can't prove it because there is no mainstream media source which is part of the problem.

What does it matter that they’re the third largest party? As I mentioned earlier, the PVV in my own country is the second largest party, but that is only because our electoral landscape is very splintered. Sweden has two very dominant parties, in such a landscape the third largest party will always be very small by comparison. It does not change that 13% of the electorate is not a very large amount of people, certainly not enough for politicians or the media to start acting like that is ‘the voice of the people’ that should not be ignored.

The party with the 4th number of votes got about half the number of votes of SD so they should matter even less then? I mean hell, the social democrats only got 30%, that means 70% didn't like them, so if anything nobody should pay attention to the ruling party either because 30% out of 100% is nothing. Your definition of "voice of the people" is arbitrary and makes no sense. The parties under 1% are the ones that may not be relevant but 13% is very much relevant and I honestly still do not understand if you are being obtuse on purpose or not. They have 49/349 seats total in parliament and yet you think they are insignificant enough to not represent a at least part of the country. Are you kidding me?

It matters because they will get a major power position in our government if they are the third largest party, regardless of what the actual voting percentage is. I recommend everyone to not vote for them either, but don't ignore them or push them under the rug. They are not a party that I trust nor think should have a major say in our government but this upcoming poll will shove the ugly truth up in all other party's faces as the votes for SD will be immense.

You could not have missed the point any harder if you tried, I think. I'm not trying to belittle the events or say they "aren't that bad" - I'm saying the turf war that we get over here is still proportionally less dangerous than most other countries that suffer similar issues, yet because they happen here they get blown up to massive proportion in the form of posts like this;

What turf wars? What are you talking about?

It isn’t my definition of ‘voice of the people’. I never said that I think there is a ‘voice of the people’. As I said, it is a popular frame with the media and politicians that anti-immigration views are widespread, even though they aren’t. That populist parties say what ‘the people really think’, even though they don’t. Populist parties and their voters completely dominate the political debate, even though it’s not even that substantial of a group. They’re getting a competely unreasonable amount of attention, even though a vast majority of voters care more about other issues. This stupid amount of attention can lead to liberal democracy being endangered, because how the media and politicians frame things does affect people’s perceptions. This is about certain issues mattering, not parties. That is my point.

What are you talking about when you say Sweden is fucked?

Well clearly Sweden has a problem with unknown individuals burning down automobiles.

Clearly, thank you for clarifying.

Territorial control, gang activity, gang war, criminal-on-criminal. What term would you prefer?

Yeah, the police even reported that. Most of the violent crime seems to be related to gang violence and it's been going on for quite a long while. So really it's more an issue about policing gang crime and trying to provide better opportunities to people in those areas to so they don't get involved in it.

What gangs and where exactly?