Contra is my queen. I love the mix of serious, introspective, deep dives with her off brand humor. So unabashedly herself.
i disagree. what sets contrapoints apart from the "libtards owned epic style" people is that a lot of her videos seem to come from a place of empathy and understanding rather than just lazily bashing on people and preaching to a choir for views. she literally acknowledges in this video that some of the pain that incels feel comes from a legitimate place, and that she has fallen into a very similar mindset about her own insecurities in the past and offers advice on how to break out of the cycle of self-hatred. she isn't going "look at these losers lmao, they should all kill themselves". this isn't a cringe compilation.
What is it with these people and skulls?
The whole incel thing is a bit nonsensical because they express hatred and resentment towards a system which seemingly screwed them over instead of exhibiting a correctional strategy or an apathetic strategy.
If the sexual/dating market place is truly this outrageously unfair then why do they even keep caring about it? Why do they keep placing their sense of happiness upon biological mechanisms that clearly show their one sided and ruthless nature?
Can't get laid no matter what you do? good, fuck all of it and focus on other shit, there are plenty of other things to do in life that are just as interesting if not more interesting than merging your genitals with someone, such as being artistic or contributing something to science.
Stop perceiving people who get laid as superior and people who do not get laid as inferior. Isaac Newton died a virgin (apparently)
And an enormous amount of human beings reportedly NEVER have sex after being married for a while.
Do sterilized dogs worry about getting laid? Does a starving man on some uninhabited island worry about having sex?
Some people are aromantic and asexual, do they worry about getting laid or being in relationships? does it make them idiots that they do not?
Some human beings are simply not that compatible with the notion of intimacy, that does not make you defective, it simply means that you should be focusing on other shit.
Have dignity and self respect in your predicament instead of being stuck in this awkward ass limbo where romantic life still has you by the balls after never doing anything other than giving you the finger, tell it to go fuck itself in return and never care about relationships again, become comfortable with friendships or solitude, find happiness in other meaningful things.
There's a reason why they say MGTOW's are the closest thing the manosphere gets to coming out of the closet. These guys have a serious hatred of women and a really fragile stereotypical concept of masculinity.
I mean if there was ever a group that treated a joke as gospel it would be incels. The whole virgin/chad thing started out as a joke, and now it's ingrained in the incel's language.
The way she said that it always goes back to the skull made me think that Warhammer 40k designs are actually just humanity accepting the love for skulls and plastering them everywhere.
One of these posts is not like the other
Just because you and I like Contra doesn't mean Cigarettes has to and at least he explained himself instead of shitpost.
Quit making me want to fuck the goddamn ocean.
I'd fuck Contra
The thing is that not everyone is the same. Some people have different goals and wants and needs, and when you really want/need something, it can be really hard to let it go. Human are still to some extent slaves to our biology, and since the entire point of life is to reproduce, some guys get really really focused on having sex and getting a relationship with a girl, and sadly that's often the only goal they have since as of recent we've seemed to have lost having goals greater than that. And I can say that as someone who was... and maybe is still a part of that group. It doesn't help that our culture that states "the only way to be happy is to have good relationships with people, especially that special someone" and makes you really, really, really want that, which is incredibly hard to get when you're a bit introverted and not so good at talking to people, and for some people they think those difficulties are too hard to overcome.
I fight this shit every fucking day, I don't know how I haven't gone mental..
I've questioned killing myself, trying to live without it and trying to accept the fact that I am a slave to my biology. I honestly feel like i'm meant to die because there's no way I can get it but at the same I need it. It's a constant never ending cycle, give up, talk to people/look shit up/regain some confidence, give up.. over and over.
Doesn't help when over half the girls I come across are blatantly attracted to me, makes it even more painful knowing I could never be with any of them.
I truly wish I didn't strive for companionship and was asexual then I could truly live.
It's infinitely more interesting to watch a video by someone who is empathic, sympathetic and understanding, but still in disagreement, than someone who is just out to slam dunk some low hanging fruit for views.
First off, no. Incels aren't expressing hatred and resentment towards a system, they're expressing hatred and resentment towards whores and sluts who'll sleep with anyone except them.
Second, the reason they're so adamant on caring about it is because society puts an absurd value on how much sex you've had. Thus it's not so much they consider people who do have sex superior, it's that they consider themselves inferior for not doing so, not helped by a society that reinforces the idea that not having sex makes you a loser. The big problem is that they're a living version of the 'no, it's the children that are wrong' joke. Not only is it everyone else who is at fault, they are owed sex. They are owed a relationship. They are owed a woman who'll do as they please for just being a decent human. They are the nice guy taken to its most awful extreme.
I know exactly how you feel man. My high school was a never ending cycle much like that, where I'd get confident in myself, get attracted to some girl, try to become friends with her and then something more, and then just fail horribly and get depressed for a few weeks before I start talking to people and looking up advice and whatnot to regain confidence. It was hell man, especially my senior year when I was dealing with so much shit on top of that. I fully believe and sympathize with you when you say that.
The important thing is just not to give up, and always at least try, even if you think it's going to end up in failure. Just try. You might mess up, but that's absolutely fine, you just learn from your lessons and move on, and never lose confidence that one day you'll find someone you really really like and will have the experience to connect with them. That's what I did. It took a while and a bunch of girls from school I had no connection with and were nothing like me to figure what to do, to figure out how to even talk to people, but eventually I found someone online I actually really really liked and it went off from there. That ended a while later because of my inexperience, but I didn't just stop there and I went on to get a girlfriend in real life. Just like any kind of skill, talking to people and connecting them takes experience and confidence in your abilities, so you just have to try until you get it right. I know it'll feel like slamming your head against a brick wall sometimes, but it's better than sitting there in the cycle you're currently and not doing anything about it.
As for your situation, try talking to those girls at work. Do not be afraid to just become friends with them if things don't work out exactly as you would hope. Trust me, I've made some great friendships over the years with girls who ended up rejecting me, and they can help you too. Ultimately you should try to find someone you have similar or could easily have similar interests with, mostly because that's the real way you're going to get a conversation out of someone and it's just better if you can both connect that way, but talking to girls and just being better friends with everyone helps a lot.
The inability to find someone when that's all you want is such a curse man, I know how you feel. There's a reason one my favorite song lyrics is "There's nothing worse, than wanting more." All you can do is just try to find away past it, no matter the cost.
Also, not gonna lie, the bit about men on dating apps felt weirdly good, to have my thoughts basically validated like that. As a dude who's been getting absolute nothing of anything on dating platforms, yeah, complete radio silence is fucking awful.
Never used a dating app and personally don't envy to start any time soon. I really dislike them on a core conceptual level. They seem to really dehumanize and game-ify the intimate and personal act of dating and forming relationships.
I'm going to guess that many self-proclaimed incels care about their lack of a relationship because they think having one is what will make them happy.
These people are already doubtlessly down in the dumps - shown by how they form these communities as an outlet.
When they fail to form a relationship, they start blaming others, because it's somewhat comforting to not be at fault.
This is where I disagree with her saying she wasn't going to sympathize in this video (though thankfully she did to an extent).
It's disheartening to think how easy it would have been to become one of these broken people during your own period of depression, if you'd found yourself in one of these circles yourself.
I think it's important to understand and empathize, even with these people who've had the worst of them brought out. You need to understand how someone can be fooled into becoming irrationally loathful in order to stop yourself from doing the same.
So doing this gets you banned.
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But this doesn't.
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I almost fell into the incel trap back when I was ~15-16, but I got out of it by just befriending a bunch of other freaks, punks and scene kids, eventually getting laid and ultimately discovering that romantic relationships wasn't really for me, that I'd be able to remain happy with the occasional sex and cuddles with varying and willing partners. Polyamorous aromantic relationships, if you will.
Because as shitty as it is, you can't report it
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Is it an issue it's not meant for incels? She explicitly says that she doesn't intend to symphatize wit them but to understand them.
But to imply that the intention is no deeper than to ogle at the latest freakshow is just an incorrect and unfair assessment in my opinion. I think Contrapoint's content is refreshing specifically because it offers a deeper than surface analysis into these things.
Just because she isn't trying to save them doesn't mean she has to be doing this for nothing but entertainment. From my experience her content is meant to be analysis, insight and opinions made entertaining.
Anyway disagreeing with her conclusion shouldn't be a reason to write her off. Approaching extremist worldviews is a complicated subject with no right answers.
I sure like not having rules on a forum
until the incels are in cells ima stay in cuz stayin in sells.
But I feel like contra sort of addresses that aspect by relating it to subsections of the trans community, and her own personal moments of insecurity. I think the way she described her experience and breaking down the mindset and path to the uncle community could help some incels recognize the patterns of their behavior.
The whole point of the video is to explain who theses guys are and why some of them are becoming serial killers. As she said, trying to help them is probably pointless as they shield themselves from any help with inpenetrable logic.
She still gives good mental health advice and explains how to get out of this self hatred logic, I don't see how she completely discarded helping them. But there's so much you can do when the guy is completely irationnal and refuses all help.
They use to be an online phenomenon until some of them killed and had this confusing internet "community" get big mainstream attention and people had no idea what was going on with theses dudes. So the video is at least useful to explain it to internet illiterate people.
Seems to me more that it's meant for people who may have heard of incels but don't know much about the community. Since I already follow them, most of the useful stuff I got out of the video was just Contra's perspective as a trans person on the dating issues, but the rest of it wasn't a painful watch either.
I'll still ban for posts as blatantly troll/toxic as that
Except the "own the libcucks lmao!!!" crowd almost always intentionally misrepresent or misinterpret the person, organisation, or subject matter they are "Discussing" in order to support their right wing agenda.
There's a massive difference between alt right youtube channels or "youtube sceptic" channels and "Lefytube" channels. Just because they are sharing opposing opinions doesn't mean they are automatically both as bad as each other.
Honestly it just seems like you've contrived yourself into a position without actually thinking of it, instead hoping to come off as superior to the "both crowds" you consider, incorrectly, to be two sides of the same coin.
Which basically just means you're being dishonest because you don't even have the faintest clue what you're talking about.
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