“Contemplating” implies he was thinking about it for a long time. It was an impulsive moment of weakness, not something that he thought about a lot.
Yeah, maybe 5.5/10
I've always felt like Rose should have been revealed to have been a spy for the First Order. It would've totally explained why she keeps making all these idiotic decisions that come off like she's intentionally subverting the plan ("Wait Finn, I know our friends are stuck with a dwindling reserve of fuel and that they'll all die the second it runs out, but we need to spend a few hours freeing these cute animals while consciously doing nothing to help these child slaves."), in addition to Holdo refusing to share her plan with anyone (since there's rumors that there could be a spy on board, the situation is too dire to trust their only means of escape with any rando pilot who wants to know what the score is).
And then she kamikazes her speeder into Finn at the end, only instead of delivering a hackneyed speech and kissing him while everyone dies in the background, she says something like "I can't let you Rebel scum win..." before passing out or succumbing to her wounds or whatever.
It wouldn't have been perfect, but it would've at least given her character something interesting. I feel so bad for that poor actress, seeing as how Rose was actually worse than Jar-Jar. At least Jar-Jar contributed to the story in a meaningful way and felt very much built into the plot. Rose was like a character from an entirely different movie escaped and somehow found herself in a Star Wars sequel.
Aren't they still pretty small compared to the Star Destroyers?
Not even gonna make a comparsion to Snoke's ship because apparently its 37 miles wide.
The first order Star Destroyers are slightly shorter.
For a moment in this last year, I got a star wars craving. This happens yearly, and I revisit old games, install Star Wars Galaxies (emulator), listen to all the soundtracks, and generally get engulfed in the mysticism of the universe.
I watched the movie again recently (maybe a month ago) and said that I was over it, and that I could accept the movie as it is and enjoy it and maybe even get excited again.
After watching this I realize that I'm just desperate for more and I'm fooling myself.
There's nothing to look forward to in 9 or in the universe anymore.
rose is literally rian johnson's high school waifu oc insert
I always found this movie to be sort of an enigma.
They got so carried away with the gotcha moments that ultimately nothing interesting happened.
To the point where if the most basic, elements that were expected happened the movie would have been better.
That's the thing that annoys me so much about the way she's written. It's like she's the self-insert of an awkward fangirl writing her first Star Wars slash fiction.
"It was worth it to tear up that town," said Finn, his eyes glistening in teh moonlight, "to make 'em hurt." Rose smiled at Finn and said, "Wait," before taking the saddle off of the fatheir (their like big fluffy space horses x3) and saying, "now it's worth it". Finn smiled and looked into Roses eyes and his heart got big and she smiled at his and hers also got happy. Remember to share if you like, plz pm me if u want to include any of my OCs in ur own work ill try to finish teh next chapter soon but my mom is taking me to a stupid family reunion (>.<)'
Spoiler warning for the ending of the film: I am mad about the movie's ending not due to the shittiness, but because it attempted to grab the heart strings of the viewers and those invested the original films. From what I've seen online there's a very, very small subset of people like me who despise when writers who cannot frame scenes, use character voice etc. and ends up either accidentally or purposefully writing a scene that makes you feel a genuine emotion. For that alone I have damned this movie to the pit of eternal torment, ignoring just about everything else every critic and their dog have touched on or defended. Fuck you for making me feel things, Rian Johnson.
Producers are usually the ones who keep inexperienced directors in check. Kathleen Kennedy seems like a soft touch. Its bizarrely amusing watching the behind the scenes stuff for TLJ, while it is cut to be promotional material, they still can't avoid people tacitly implying that the direction the film was taking was a mistake and was going to suck. When you're hundreds of millions in the hole however, its better to just release what you have and hope peoples slavish devotion to branding will take care of your box office. Which it did, reliably.
In the old days, something this bad would've seen the director fired and major reshoots ordered. That was a completely different time however, film market and industry was nothing at all like today. Cameron's Titanic changed everything, for the worse some would argue.
The Radio scene they pointed out in the video is a prime example of this. Instead of having her sit down with the person operating the radio and stare at it in his belief. She just has to repeat what the other person said and explain what is going on. All emotional impact lost.
Why even spoiler tag when the whole of this review is loaded with spoilers lol (and by this time you should had already seen the movie)
Also, Rose's kiss scene legitimately made me cringe. Finn dying would had made it alright.
I'm definitively "eh" on star wars as a whole, so I can sit back and watch the Last Jedi shitshow go down without much of a horse in the race. While I did generally enjoy the movie I recognize a lot of it's criticisms too and think that, overall, it probably wasn't a great move for Disney to release it in it's current state. Mainly for series-longevity reasons.
But. One thing that stuck out to me about the Last Jedi, that many see as an inconsequential nitpick, is that hyperspeed ram.
Now hear me out. The hyperspeed ram introducing a WMD that everyone in the universe can use doesn't affect the movie itself. It doesn't detract from the experience or harm the movie itself, but boy does it retroactively make a lot of older star wars set pieces seem pointless.
Cinema doesn't need to adhere to it's "worldbuilding" as much as say, books or games may have to. I get that. But seriously, did they even consider how the hyperspace ram could be used in literally any other situation, and if so, how did they not realize how much that broke the entire universe.
It only bothers me so much because I've yet to come across any form of apologism that makes up for that glaring universe killer. Star wars was never really an in-depth universe, but it did have it's rules, and now one of those rules is that any ship can destroy any other ship at a moments notice.
I get that I'm a massive sperg that this is the one thing that stuck out to me throughout the whole experience, but as I said above, I'm not really a star wars fan. Just a fan of worldbuilding in general.
Part of me is okay with it, since it's a cool moment and you could argue "well, you're not gonna get super far if every pilot in your military force is a suicide bomber who has to light-speed into other ships, especially if those ships know what you're doing and presumably try to lightspeed away, and also ships are probably fairly expensive to just smash them into each other like pawns in chess", but part of me also feels like it kinda breaks the world a bit, since the logical thing for the First Order to do now would be to invest in/enslave a planet that manufactures hyperdrives and basically just build a big anti-aircraft cannon that can fire massive projectiles at lightspeed from one end of the galaxy to whatever target they want on the other end. Hell, between droid pilots and slave labor, there's literally nothing stopping the First Order from doing this.
Honestly, it'd be pretty neat to see them subvert the whole "da bad guys got another superweapon" thing in Episode 9; instead of another Death Star, it's just a big cannon that can go full Gurren Lagann and obliterate shit at the speed of light on a galactic scale. I'd watch that for the spectacle alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4Ss5bK-ws
Oh my god the deleted scene with the redneck stormtrooper did Rian Johnson want that in his movie?
If either of those were the case, they weren't shown or really set up at all. It's a pretty bad idea in principle, but justifiable if you execute it well.
TLJ did not execute it well.
Did you feel something because rng good writing or did you feel something in seeing a good ass actor player their sdeminal part to a t despite being written like a like a schizophrenic wizard with reverse daddy issues
The second one.
So, a few things from Plinkett's reveiw:
He wonders why the ship at the beginning doesn't shoot at the ships in orbit and instead fires upon the Rebel base. The answer is established throughout most of the film wherein the cannons can't penetrate the ship's shields at certain distances.
He wonders why Leia doesn't agree with Poe's plan to bomb the First Order Dreadnought. Answer: because the Resistance is on its last legs and it would (and was) a Pyrrhic victory that hurts the Resistance more in the long run. This is the same thing with the Poe/Holdo dynamic. Calculated maneuvers trump shorthand victories and sweeping acts of "heroism" relying on chance. Poe showed little to no respect for Leia (the top of his chain-of-command) and needed to learn how to follow before he can lead effectively and without costly victories. Poe was in hot water for disobeying orders that lead to a costly victory and demoted and, militarily speaking, has no right to go to the top of the command and demand information (I can only imagine what would happen if I, as a Sergeant in the Marines, went up to my Lt Col. and did what Poe did. My ass would be subsequently chewed and I would walk away an embarrassment). The higher echelon's knew of Holdo's plan and those that mutinied with Poe aligned with him because he was a "hero." (oh and it was only a small bunch of people that sided with Poe) Poe's plan falls apart when he entrusts two rookies who then trust some guy they met in prison whose loyalties lie only in himself. Plinkett falls on the same sword as many critics as Holdo "hating men" (even if he's being sarcastic) because she has purple hair and therefore must be an SJW character. He even suggests another costly strategy (they only ended up with "twelve" people because of Poe's plan backfiring which damaged Holdo's plan for escape. Holdo's plan was a calculated diversion, whereas Poe's hinged on everything going "just right").
Harking on cut content. It's a good thing they cut it, right? Yeah, they wanted levity throughout. They kept what they felt was the least detracting and cut the rest.
Assumes Snoke's escape craft would be decked out with weaponry despite nothing implying this.
Finn and Rose relying on Snoke's flagship's escape pods after deactivating the tracking system and would likely get shot down. Another flaw and miscalculated aspect of Poe's plan that would have cost Finn and Rose their lives. Congrats, we've established more validity to Holdo's argument. He even comments how they're making one mistake after another, because that's the point, their plan was flawed and relied on everything going "just right" even when it was going very wrong and had decreasing chances of success.
"Giving audiences what they want/crave" You have lightsaber battles, space battles, and planetside battles. How well they executed them is another matter, but don't say it doesn't deliver on anything the series is known for or "what audiences wanted." This goes with the theme of The Last Jedi criticisms that there was a homogeneous idea as to where the series unequivocally should have gone without deviation, when that is far from true. The sequel trilogy doesn't do much of how "I would have done it" but that's not a flaw in the film, just a different perspective.
Film should have ended on a cliffhanger. I remember being frustrated with The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug for the same thing, I don't think it would have benefit the film to do so when every other Star Wars film has had some conclusion to them while maintaining the question as to what happens next (It's like saying Empire should have ended with Vader making the offer to Luke to work together). It's naive wishful thinking that Rey would go to the Dark Side when she's been shown and built up to be an altruistically good person. Kylo's fate is the only one that was in question and, keeping in the subversive goal of the film, Johnson does what I think was the better option and has Kylo fully embrace the Dark Side.
Kylo Ren wanting to destroy the First Order and the Resistance only to use the former to destroy the latter. FIrst Order destroys Resistance and as Supreme Leader he shapes the First Order and the galaxy in his image. It's that simple. The idea is that Kylo Ren and Rey aren't not hinging on the past to define themselves, they're creating their own future from the old world's ashes (the theme of the film is 'growth;' personal, ideological, conceptual).
Ren doesn't detect Luke as an astral projection. I mean, Ren's kind of unhinged and blinded by rage. Not to mention Luke is more apt in the arts of the Force than Ren. Ren would detect Luke's presence because his "presence" is there, just not his physical presence. It's all within the realm of the series's logic.
"The series is now an ambiguous grey." I think someone needs to rewatch Luke in the Original Trilogy. Or read my post in the other thread, which touches on this briefly.
"The ending is confusing." Everyone's happy because they just survive a long, arduous chase that seemed to be getting hopeless by the minute. They survived for the time being and they're reassured that their mere survival means the Resistance lives on. They can be happy about that. Rey and Ren have their brief moment where their connection is severed possibly for good as the Millennium Falcon's door closes as she gazes at Kylo Ren (who gazes back). Where could this all go? Good thing there's another film to hopefully pay everything off now that we're done subverting what was established in The Force Awakens and can hopefully go into something completely new and worthwhile.
Those are just my counter-arguments to some of the things Plinkett states in the video as I felt he flip flops from reasonable criticisms to plain nitpicking. That's not to say there are not things I did agree with him on or have my own criticisms on the film or that there aren't some things in the film that are pretty dumb or goofy, though.
This is just wrong. Maybe there weren't any good plans, but Holdo's plan was just as shitty as they come. Plinkett even points out the obvious flaws (you know, the planet that you can see with your naked eye, the idea that maybe the resistance plan wasn't to slowly just get shot out of the sky).
We are to believe that if they parked their spaceship properly, the plan would've worked out just fine. Something you're also missing is that their plan didn't just fail, it failed to such an exceptionally comical level. Worst case you'd assume they'd get caught, but they ended up getting an untrustworthy guy (who, for some reason, strings them along for a long ass while instead of simply giving them away the moment they step on ship) who also somehow knows about (I don't think Rose and Finn knew about this) the cloaking of the rebel ships, and sells them out. Why the first order wouldn't consider that maybe some ships would try to escape from the main one is beyond me, but apparently they really don't wanna do a "cloaking scan". Is it expensive or something? Or maybe it's just convenient to the plot?
It's also convenient to the plot that the only two characters who knows about the tracking device are a low level engineer and a former storm trooper, when even Snoke is implied to not know about the technology.
Yeah no, feels completely wrong. Same as when Finn and Rose are celebrating releasing a few animals and temporarily embarrass some billionaires. Apparently it was "all worth it", even though for all they know, their failure just resulted in the complete destruction of the resistance. Our characters are brain dead.
It's been too long since I've seen the movie to really critique it properly, but the whole movie relies on everyone being a fucking idiot all the time, and especially the First Order who are about as scary as a whoopee cushion hiding in plain sight.
the ram was only so effective because A) it was the resistance's single biggest ship and B) iirc it was set as a trap rather than an assault tactic, otherwise they might have shot it down (in space, because that's how space works in star wars) or hyperspace jumped out the way themselves, or something, i don't know. i could buy that it's only viable at close range and with the element of surprise, which are fairly narrow circumstances with huge flagships.
that said though this whole idea is a fairly hard problem of interstellar science fiction, to the point that whole books have been written about how absurdly dangerous light-speed rams would be. so Star Wars is never ever gonna have a satisfactory answer to this that isn't just complete science-fantasy.
I'm going to apologize in advance for how pedantic and in-depth my complaining about the science of a science fantasy film. Unfortunately the Star Wars universe is something that is very near and dear to my heart.
Of all the problems the movie had, this is the one that bothers me the most, and the one I had the hardest time reconciling after watching the movie. Yeah the movie has tons of scriptwriting problems, but those are different from something that fundamentally changes some very concretely established canon from all the previous movies works.
It kind of takes a dump on the the entire idea of hyperspace and raises so many questions with the only answers I've read being supremely handwavey and inconsistent with the rest of how hyperspace has been portrayed in the movies and games. It introduces real life concepts to Star Wars in a way that I don't feel was ever intended. It's like how all the spaceships fly like airplanes. There's never a instance in the movies (or shows/games as far as I know) where a spaceship actually flies like a real space ship would and that's okay because that's just how space works in Star Wars. It might be physically wrong, but it's internally consistent, which is the most important part of world-building.
The hyperspace ram introduces the very, very real consequences of things hitting things at near light speed and it's something that has just never come up in Star Wars. After all, if it was possible before, there is literally no reason why it wouldn't have been done before. It raises so many questions like why don't they just solve every problem with launching some small object at near light speed? It wouldn't even be hard. Hell a tiny ship the size of an A-Wing flying at near light speed would be enough to completely disable, if not outright obliterate, a Star Destroyer, so why not just make little special purpose droid controlled ships that specifically do this? The technology already exists, as shown by the droid army and the fact that something as small as an A-Wing already has a hyperdrive.
What really gets me about that scene though is just how easy it was. At the very least there should have been a shot or two that shows her disabling a bunch of safeties. It would have also made it a lot better if while lining up the shot there were big huge warning sirens, the whole bridge was flashing red, you know, all the kinds of warnings that you would expect from the megatons of energy a collision in the immediate future would cause. The whole scene turns hyperdrives into a tremendous liability in a way that was just never an issue before. Because nothing like this ever happened before, it was safe to assume that there were either automated safety measures or physical reasons for why a ship couldn't do this. Mass shadows and hyperdrives automatically disabling in the presence of one are an already existing concept that handily explains why this just doesn't happen. That's broken now. Why don't we hear about whole cities being wiped off the face of a planet in a hyperspace related accident, especially considering just how common space travel is? Pandora's box has been opened and now there is no excuse for every problem not being solved with a small automated ship smashing into something at near light speed.
One thing I noticed in the movie that Plinkett did not address; <sp>how was Rose able to catch up with Finn if he was driving full speed against the siege cannon?</sp>
Well, even I will grant that maybe the laser beam from the big dumb canon slowed down his ship.
the power of love
Finn's first line in the movie was "Rey", and his second line was "Where is Rey?". How cool would it have been if Finn and Rose stumbled upon Rey shaking hands with Kylo (after not seeing her since [i]the snow forest fight[/i], think of the implications); while trying to escape on Snokes escape pod?
It would make Finn's cannon run make so much more sense, and make it relatable why Rose would stop him from doing it.
I imagine that ships are so ludicrously expensive that ramming ships into other ships generally isn't a viable strategy.
If you hit, yeah you can fuck up a big ship (and also die in the process), but you also don't have your big expensive ship too.
I just wanna say that aside from "it should have been Leia doing the lightspeed ram", literally every fan-suggestion I've heard has sounded better than what we got.
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