• Firearms XVII - Stuffing A $100 Hi-Point Down the Front of My Jorts Edition
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hkiVc0n_Yg They made the AR that shoots the mini copper nerf footballs. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/211527/918fa90e-b0b6-41e8-9a73-830414959a54/ammo-2.jpg
Bought my first gun yesterday after talking to a couple friends. Ordered a m&p40 2.0 with a 4" barrel. Paid about $350 for it on buds.
Nice. Are you comfortable with the 40cal or the M&P trigger?
I've shot .40 in the past, but it's been a looooong time. I can also swap barrels to run 9mm in it for cheap plinking. I've heard the 2.0 triggers way better than the 1.0 but I've not shot one and I havent gotten mine yet. I'll probably pick it up next weekend. My buddy has 4 different m&ps of various models so I'll try and compare them.
Is it the one with or with out the safety? The trigger break and reset is good on the 2.0, just that it still has that hinged trigger. The mag catch is also steel so it wont wear out like the first gen. Also you may not be able to chamber a round by pressing down on the slide lock. I would just replace the trigger it self, and not the entire linkage. You also missed a big sale on cheap M&P 40 mags, $12 each from 44mag.com, but they are completely out.
The gun I ordered doesnt have the thumb safety
M&P40 M2.0™ 4" Compact
You should sack tap all of your friends who suggested a .40, get the 9mm barrel and never go back.
Would it be a bad idea to have a red dot on a carry gun? Just curious since I'm picking up a G19 gen 5 MOS,
Why? I have a Glock 22 Gen 4 I bought that was a Police Trade in for $200 and I love it. I have a Glock 19 Gen 4 and a Glock 26 that are my carry guns but my Glock 22 is still one of my favorites to shoot.
Snappiness and recoil of a 10mm with ballistics barely better than 9mm with less mag capacity, i bought a .40 back when it was all hyped up, went back to 9mm for carry and dont think i'll ever go back
I really like em I had my P320 milled for a vortex venom and now that I have a glock that isn't a straightup race gun (P80 compact frame, suarez supermatch) I've been running that with a venom and an inforce APLc in a QVO tactical appendix rig it's worked out great for me. On the legality/will i get fucked in court side of it however kind of a gray area when I pulled the 320 in boulder (yikes) they were more worried about the bark river fixed blade i carry than the gun but your mileage may vary.
Not trying to imply the round isn’t effective, and the gun you have is better than the gun you don’t have. With that being said, I think the general consensus is there are better options out there than 40 S&W. IMO, it doesn’t doesn’t really offer enough of an increase in terminal ballistics to justify the lowered capacity and extra recoil.
Today's offerings of full sized 40 s&w handguns have come a long way from where it started. From 11 rounds when it began, to 15 rounds standard is pretty good. Only 2-3 off of most 9mm versions without extensions. That being said, I would lean towards the 40 if it is only a full size handgun and you are confident in your ability. Compact size or smaller, go for the 9. 45 is for when you hit your head and think it's still relevant as a modern cartridge. Now if it's a PCC, then 9mm all the way.
Get a micro RDS, practice with it, and carry it; you'll have faster acquisition and faster follow up shots. InRangeTV discusses the benefits on their channel, and Sage Dynamics really gets into the pros and cons, as well as training with and testing them.
Cyke is that you?
No. But when there are options that are better and to an extent, more economical, would you not take them? After watching a few videos on the 45 and other calibers from Paul Harrel, the 45 does best when you are not allowed to use hollow points or using a suppressor. Or the occasional bear attack. But it better be FMJ in the gun or hard cast. I do have a couple 45s. A Colt 1911 that suffers from hammer follow and a HK45 CT. The Colt is unreliable and the HK45 CT is a real handful to control at the range. Fun, but not giving me the best follow up shots. The 9's and the snappy .40s don't have that issue. 45's also are either rounds limited, or have a massive grip to fit the double stack mag that may go past 10 rounds. The 9 and 40 don't have that issue.
I'd rather have a .45 than a .40. But then I'd rather have a sharp stick than a .40.
Yeah fair enough. I thought it mostly had a niche with suppressors and the military like you said. Didn’t know anything about it being a good choice against bears though.
It's alright for smaller bears. Buffalo Bore does make a 255gr Hard Cast +P .45 ACP that spits out around 925fps which would do well against black bears, but if its brown bears or larger I'd rather either upgrade to a .460 Rowland or carry a .44 mag Revolver. .45 SMC/Super might be a good middle ground if all you have is a 1911 and can't afford the Rowland kit, generally all they need is a heftier recoil spring to convert it. If you're getting hammer follow there might be an issue with your sear or disconnect. Both are generally easy to fix, though if its the sear I'd recommend swapping both the sear and the hammer rather than try to fit it to the existing hammer.
I say this, but it comes with a metric ton of salt on the side. 45 ACP performs way better as an FMJ than a hollow point in the case of defense against wild animals. I was actually surprised how the 45 military ball ammo deformed and still penetrated well. And as usual, shot placement matters, but I doubt you would have the inclination to line up the perfect shot when you are being charged. https://youtu.be/7gtTEEm1-1A?t=741 People will still carry a 45 in bear country, but whether it is a good idea is up to you. My money is still on a hard cast 44mag over a 45 in that case.
If the trigger pull is that heavy its definitely a sear. Sounds like its getting over-engagement on the trigger and under engagement on the hammer.
Finally got that Saiga converted https://i.imgur.com/IhXdPvz.jpg
So is 10mm being a good bear stopper a myth? Cause if I ever travel in bear country I want something appropriate in case I have to pull a gun, I'm a bear-mace first, shoot second kind of guy anyway.
To me 10mm is like a 38spl when it comes to animals attacking you. It's a bare minimum of acceptable power you want on tap. A 44mag is still a go-to round and anything bigger. So it basically leaves you with revolver rounds like the .454 Casull, .460 S&W and the .500 S&W. The semi autos just become too bulky and questionable reliability once you leave the realm of conventional pistol cartridges, even the .50AE is not that great. 10mm becomes the minimum out of having great capacity, the round moves fast, has good bullet weight, and will penetrate deeply into the animal. As long as it's hard cast. I'm not so sure about 10mm FMJ working well. You usually want to err on the side of penetration since the things that charge you typically have thick and heavy bones that may deflect or severely reduce hollow point effectiveness.
[b]To me 10mm is like a 38spl when it comes to animals attacking you.[/b] Wat. Serious 10mm loads are equivalent to .357 magnum, which is perfectly acceptable for stopping bears, .460 Rowland = .44 Magnum in a semi auto without the bulk of a revolver or Deagle. 10mm hard cast or Underwood Lehigh Extreme Penetrator loads should do just fine; Underwood FMJ loads would probably penetrate at least as deep as the hard cast. Supposedly the 220gr hard cast aren't stable out of a G20 barrel. Read this about bear defense with a handgun: Defense Against Bears with Pistols
So it basically comes down to that there are more efficient things on the market. Ok, makes sense to me. Like I said, I bought mine because it was cheap and I have no regrets. It's a fun gun to shoot and I've been thinking about purchasing a couple more..
https://i.imgur.com/YfCEU14.jpg Added another pin :^)
Oh 10mm still works well. Using true 10mm you're chucking a 180gr slug at 1300fps, which is significantly more energy than general factory loaded 180gr .357 mag. Now it's not going to make the grizzly skull cracking energy of a .44mag it makes up for it in capacity. Shot placement is everything, and when you're about to get mauled having every extra opportunity to get out alive helps. It's also going to do it with less recoil which means faster follow up shots and greater control. With that being said my choice of a self defense handgun for animals is a .44mag revolver because I got it at a stellar deal, but that may get replaced by a .460 Rowland Glock 41 when I get the funds. .460 Rowland basically gives you .44mag performance in a semi auto that isn't 5lbs. For most .45's it's a barrel and spring swap coupled with porting or a muzzle break.
You actually inspired me to pick up one of Nixon's re-election pins that I wear on my overcoat now. "Nixon now. More than Ever"
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