(NSFL) Man shot and killed by father-son duo in Abilene Texas - General

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They have to deal with quebec, so it equals out

What, you couldn't even find the set to Trailer Park Boys? smh.

I don't know, I don't TOTALLY disagree with them. But I don't agree that Canada is necessarily that much better. I'm sure they understand that obviously there are GOOD places to live. But they aren't wrong for being concerned about the American shooting problem. 59 kills in one night and 422 injured, this happens... no where else.

They might not be designed for it, but then sure as hell can be used in that regard. See: A fuckton of police forces across the world.

No police force trains people to shoot to wound.

I've literally only seen one case where a police officer specifically made a non-lethal (shot the weapon out of his hand) shot and it was with a sniper at a suicidal man with ample clearance for a shot and generous time frame.

Something like this is an absurd rarity. It's virtually worthless to try shit like this because its an insane gamble. 'Non-lethal' shots can very easily become lethal if it hits someone else or hits a major artery. If you're going to shoot someone with the intent to not kill them you're better off just not shooting them at all.

No they fucking can't you dingus. There's no point in trying to shoot to wound with 9MM, .45, 12 Gauge or ECT because trying to do so is a waste. Not only do you increase the chance of missing your target but it's only non lethal if you graze them. If you hit them almost anywhere it will be lethal almost no matter what. You'll either hit something important or they'll bleed to death if it's not treated. We get it, you don't like guns. Don't sit here and pretend to be some educated individual on the subject just because you don't like them though.

It's no coincidence that people who can laugh at someone getting killed and their wife crying out his name are also the ones justifying his murder.

Yeah mate a high velocity projectile that spins on its own axis and breaks the sound barrier can totally not cause massive, potentially irreparable, absurdly painful damage to anyone it hits Those disgusting cops who shoot center of mass are just not trying hard enough to make their supersonic lead less lethal

To add to this point, because this is the most important part of guns. If you aim your gun at something, prepare to kill it, and only do it when you absolutely have to do so, because if you try playing with guns trying to pull off """NON LETHAL SHOTS""" you can cause massive permanent disfigurement, injury or more likely a death, possibly even an unrelated one. Only a dick tries to pull a 'non-lethal' with a gun. Shoot to kill 100% of the time or don't bother at all. This isn't a ~Western Action film~, this is reality. Get your head out of your ass. Don't fuck around with this, trying to 'not kill them' with a gun is going to ruin someones life or end it.

I don't know if getting shot in the arm is any more or less lethal than getting shot in the chest. It's just a lot smaller of a thing to hit. If you get shot in an artery you're pretty close to fucked. And chest wounds are also survivable. It's not a clear cut thing of being shot in the chest = death and being shot in the arm like a Hollywood movie = life. Both are potentially lethal. If you gotta shoot someone you should do so with the expectation that you're gonna kill the person. Them surviving is a bonus.Even getting shot in the head isn't always lethal. Aiming for a smaller target puts bystanders at risk because there's a greater chance to miss your target. If you have to pull the trigger, you're doing it to drop the person you're pointing at. There was a video of a cop who got shot in the arm and was turned into a human sprinkler and only survived because the police helicopter on scene landed and flew him to the hospital before EMS even had a chance to get there.

That is literally a logical fallacy. Just because guns/bullets are already deadly as fuck does not mean that it is pointless to try to reduce their chance of causing death.

You shoot to disarm someone with a knife because you don't want to kill them, instead of using a taser or mace, now you leave the person horribly disfigured and eating out of a tube. or you miss and shoot a major artery and they bleed out. Good job. I'm sorry but "non-lethal shots" is as idiotic as it is dangerous. This is 100% not a good idea in any scenario. If you don't want to kill something, don't shoot it. Guns are designed to kill or destroy things, we literally have less-than-lethal methods of disarming people for this exact reason. You don't have to execute someone, once they're disabled that should be good enough, but you shouldn't try aiming for a non-lethal because it can end up being far worse off.

Warning shots should be completely illegal. People are saying Aaron literally "attacked them" when he was really more just trying to defend himself. If I hear literal gunshots in my direction im going to instictually assume I'm being shot at. If I'm being shot at, I would absolutely react in the way Aaron does, throwing the bat to try to stop the person who I think is shooting me from killing me with his next shot. Next thing I know his son has blown my brains out. Honestly I don't see anyone getting out of this situation alive. Walking away is a gamble when you're confronted by two people wielding lethal force. Aaron was defending himself just as much as the Millers were. The difference is that the latter had guns which makes them the heroes for the firearm circlejerk.

Hey look https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58141/39cdf682-3d26-4510-be03-3957ba69050b/chrome_2018-09-22_20-39-08.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58141/9abefa8a-e398-4bd4-96b3-5132dbb527de/chrome_2018-09-22_20-38-52.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58141/8a7835f4-802b-452a-be7b-abca6c46a356/chrome_2018-09-22_20-36-09.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58141/267d7139-da4b-4323-9ebd-b4bbe1d1861a/chrome_2018-09-22_20-36-25.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58141/7b1b12e8-4034-489d-88a6-bdb26580a613/chrome_2018-09-22_20-36-15.png It's all the logical fallacies you used thus far to support your bullshit logic. You barely even made a point and what little you have cannot even be backed up so you're saying the same shit in circles while pretending you're smart because you found fallacies. People have proven you wrong and all you can find to fall back on is point out fallacies without even bothering to respond to any arguments.

So you’re the guy who knows better than the entire history of gun safety and you base this on what? theres a time and place to stick to your ideas and a time to learn that you don’t know everything. Try it out for once

Imagine if all cops thought like these people did and went for their gun instead of a taser for a non-lethal disable. Think about how many MORE people would be dead. It's already an issue but that thinking would exacerbate it

So you're saying we should shoot people in the heart or head whenever we get the chance, or should we try to...idk, lessen it even if they are pretty fucked either way?

If you don't want to kill them how about you don't shoot them at all

We literally have less lethal alternatives to guns to do that for that exact purpose and reason. To imply that I'm saying we should just shoot people in the head or heart is to be straight up fucking dishonest Stop doing that.

Using your weapon responsibly is not fucking shooting them

I don't see how those are mutually exclusive unless you are banking on the concept that "shooting" is so deadly as to make it futile to try anything better.

It's not about how deadly it is dude, its that they're designed with the sole intent of being deadly. You're ignoring the core tenants of gun safety with this facade that you're somehow smarter than those rules, you're not. Always treat all firearms as if they were loaded. Never allow the muzzle of any firearm to point at anything you are not willing to destroy. Never put your finger near the trigger until you are ready to fire. Do not depend on any mechanical device for safety! Always be sure of your target, and what is behind and in front of it.

There is obviously a way that you can use your weapon responsibly to shoot someone. I just also want people put into those situations to try and minimize their chances of death. To argue that there should be no effort made in that regard because "weapons are already deadly" is ridiculous, I feel.

There is no such thing as a non lethal shot. You're so incredibly dishonest if this what you think of our position. No one police agency in the world treats guns as "Non lethal" weapons. You seem to want them to do so. Here is what would happen if everyone, police, citizenry, or otherwise considered guns to be for "Non lethal" shots. Tons of people would die, or be left in miserable states by misinformed idiots using guns as non lethal options, when we literally have designed other weapons that are by design, non lethal. A shot to the arm, chest, gut, leg, ass, or even foot can lead to unforseen consequences or death. You're basically treating guns like how hollywood and video games treat them and this is what people like myself are worried about. People who clearly aren't informed acting like they are, and refusing to hear otherwise. Can you explain to me how a shot to the leg, or gut would be "Non lethal"?

Non-lethal shots are the opposite of using your weapon responsibly. Unless you think missing and hitting grandma down the street with a stray bullet is responsible.

Minimizing the chance of death is minimizing the use of the gun, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL WANT ANYWAYS. This argument is bafflingly stupid. Invest some time, and watch two idiots learn how to shoot a gun from a master. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgaqZ8DmEW4

I think you should stop playing video games and watching fucking western films, is what I think.