(NSFL) Man shot and killed by father-son duo in Abilene Texas - General

And he egged the gun-totting idiots on and dared them to kill him, in front of his wife and kids no less. Instead of just walking away, and actually making an example for his kids. He didn't deserve it, but 'getting emotional' isn't exactly an actual excuse to act like a water-head. Obviously of course, the dudes with guns clearly have never produced a single meaningful thought in their life, and should have backed off until he cooled down. Straight up shooting him was in the wrong.

After repeatedly threatening someone else Everything out of context can be whatever the fuck you want it to be, but it isn't. Everyone here was stupid and wrong, the guy with a bat was very stupid, and very wrong.

Threatening to kill someone in a confrontation with them isn't "talking shit" you ding dong That's considered assault in itself under Texas law

Repeatedly threatening someone who was actively threatening his entire family by escalating a situation to involve several firearms, over a mattress.

He came at them with a bat after repeatedly saying he was going to attack and kill both of them. He made intent clear, he had means, and he took action. Firing what was two, maybe three rounds at someone like that is pretty good restraint, then throwing the bat afterwards is continuation which is when the one with the shotgun opened fire.

Yeah, so unlike you, I'm not saying it's okay that one guy was violent over the other You are saying that the baseball bat wielding moron is in the right, which is astronomically dumb, IMO.

He says so in the video with no reason to lie about it.

He has plenty of reason to lie. He is an unhinged individual who continued to escalate the situation even after firearms were introduces and has a history of violent behavior. He wanted to win the situation and resorted to hyperbole or outright fabrication.

He also says a lot of blatant falsehoods like "I'm not threatening you" while in the same breath saying he's going to kill both of them. He also has a history of violence and making threats toward random people like the mailman and the cops who showed up when he threatened to kill the mailman. So I'm not going to be so quick to assume this guy is the rational, truth-telling sort.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/716/82e36ac8-bfe5-4087-86d6-7c6ae04f13eb/1537548135019.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/716/7cc4405b-9dcc-47f9-a149-fd55d2255771/1537548200180.png Many thefts, assault, criminal mischief, drives without license/insurance From 98 all the way to 2017. Add a bad temper into the mix no less, something shitty was going to happen eventually. He doesn't have a past history of being a shithead. Not at all. No reason to lie about something as he threatens to kill someone. This guy is obviously a very good role model for his kids.

When you start complaining about the "typical Facepunch move" or "Facepunch hive mind" or whatever, you're not doing your argument any favors. Also, he can be the one at fault and everyone involved can still be fuck ups at the same time.

This guy was obviously unhinged and in need of serious help. He didn't get it in time before trying to kill his neighbor with a bat over garbage. That's a shame, but it's a better outcome than him successfully killing an old man over garbage.

Yes this poor innocent old man. Sending my thoughts and prayers. 🙏

The crux of the issue is him illegally dumping on the Millers' property because he didn't want to pay for his own dumpster. They have told him to knock it off before and eventually started throwing his garbage back. All of this happened because his reaction to having his own garbage returned to him after dumping it on someone else's property was to bring a bat out and try to beat an old man to death.

He deserved to get shot in the face because he was yelling? That doesn't sound fucked up to you?

He deserved to get shot in the face because he tried to kill a 67 year old with a bat.

yeah and Randy Lahey's American cousin's reaction to that was to shoot him in the face.

You're still avoiding the "tried to beat a man to death with a bat over garbage" bit.

He was yelling that he was going to kill them, with a weapon in his hands. You're ignoring massive details to cater to your point of view, it's childish.

2:00 pm on a Thursday Howard: I’ll kill you faggot! Texan: I doubt it Ms Howard: you’re not gonna shoot my husband. “Howard gets shot” *temptation sensation begins playing*

I'd have a baseball bat too if I had 2 cheeseburger picnic patrons with guns in my alleyway.

It wasn't his alleyway. You're out of arguments.

you'd probably get shot too if you said you'd kill them and swung at them with a bat lmao

Sorry, but this isn't a debate, bud. No amount of articulation is going to justify shooting a man in the face in front of their wife and children.

Would you also call people faggots and threaten to kill them ?

He tried to kill an old guy in front of his kid with a baseball bat.

Nobody is saying Miller couldn't make better choices too. Howard has made a litany of shitty choices and while the whole situation was unfortunate, he was clearly not willing to de-escalate and had shown no effort to avoid this situation from happening.

i agree, the old guy deserved to get his head smashed in because he was telling the dude to back off

Well these human walruses obviously intended on shooting him in the face regardless so it doesn't really matter what actions he took.

"sorry i am right and you are wrong case over lol" how cool r u rn who do u think u are