Why Meat is the Best Worst Thing in the World - Kurzgesagt
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Black Pigeon made a video on this subject a while back. I hate veganism but I wouldn't mind my meat being more expensive if that means reducing the unnatural stuff they do to our chickens.
I'd say the worst part of meat is that there's too much of it with a percent of it actually being edible with the other half being absolutely disgusting.
I feel like those companies need to draw a line.
The thing is that there are good cheap high quality meats we had now that existed back then, but everyone focuses on the strip, rib and tenderloin.
The poor flank gets no love and is huge.
tbh as long as I don't have to give up eggs, milk, ect. I can imagine living without meat. I mean, my favorite student meal is just a simple 2 minute pan-fried quesadilla and it's tasty as fuck
if the environmental costs of producing meat were added to the price I think people would just buy less of it but it won't happen without governmental intervention
so the suffering of animals doesn't matter to you or you don't believe that the animals are suffering?
it's insanely childish to whataboutism by saying "sure we do a whole heap of horrible shit with factory farms and treatment of livestock in general, but hey we've saved some species from extinction"
just because the environmental side of it is more palatable and clean doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about our treatment of animals as well
also I don't know where you're getting this "complex emotional structure" stuff from - i don't think you need complex emotional structures to feel bad when you're in a dark, hot, cramped room for your entire life (if they didn't possess reasonable intelligence anyway see: Thinking chickens also http://animalbehaviorandcognition.org/uploads/journals/17/AB&C_2017_Vol4(4)_Marino_Allen.pdf
You’re full of bullshit yourself.
absolute nonsense
the ethical issue is sourced from the fact that humans are moral agents - it's irrelevant if animals are, or are not, because we're doing the action, and the action is judged by us
like, no shit that what we derive from the responses of animals is recognised through resemblance to our own mental states and responses, that's like, theory of mind 101
did you consider that literally everything you just said is true when it comes to humans other than yourself? you assume that people share your feeling of "suffering" based on you recognizing responses that resemble your own - but you're drawing the line at livestock animals because??
you're posting like you read one book on ethics and are now an authority on it
You could buy meat that costs more, the taste is entirely down to you and what seasoning you apply to the meat, but if it costs more then people are less likely to go for it, when they can buy more stuff with the same amount of money.
Oh man that edge
you really are “the authority”
First of all, that's not the suffering people usually are complaining about. It's the living conditions that cause actual suffering.
These two quotes are really fucking convenient for you. You seem to be saying that animals don't have real feelings, that they're 'just biological machines', but meanwhile nobody can even prove that humans aren't also just biological machines. No matter what evidence is shown, you can basically always claim that it's just 'reflexes' and 'instincts'. This is speciesist solipsism. They are conscious, they do experience suffering. We haven't quite figured out how consciousness really works, or how to draw lines between complicated unconscious chemistry and actually thinking, feeling minds. But I'd argue that when we're talking about the slaughter of millions of living beings - many who at least appear to experience suffering and complex emotions - the best decision is to veer on the side of caution.
I'm no philosophy buff, but this sounds like a load of shit. Sounds like an easy way to decide who it's okay to be cruel to because of an arbitrary 'you must be at least this intelligent for me to care' line. I think anything which is conscious and capable of feeling should at least not be subjected to unnecessary cruelty.
Actually, no. In some contries, you are required by law to help if you come across someone who is dying. And also, you are allowed to kill people in certain situations of self defense. Neither of these facts necessitate you 'taking the logic to its extreme': you don't need to rescue literally everybody, and you're not allowed to kill everybody either. Recognizing the suffering of animals doesn't mean we have to eliminate all animal suffering in all situations, but it might be a good idea to limit the massive amount of suffering we subject millions of animals to by stuffing them together in cages.
There's a huge difference between 'participating' and 'acting like you're an authority'. Cloak_Rider accused you of the latter, and I think it's pretty clear from lines such as "It is a deontological waste of time to harp about the "suffering of animals"". Just try to be less condescending.
You don't have to give it up, you can simply make it bi/tri-weekly.
Ah yes, cattle are just organic machines with no emotions at all. You know one of those Black Mirror concepts is creating large numbers of artificial consciousnesses only to make them experience pain forever, that definitely has no parallel at all to industrial farming.
People complain about climate change deniers but shit like this kinda proves that accepting climate change doesn't actually mean that you're doing anything to not be part of the problem.
Meat eating is probably the biggest point of hypocrisy among left-leaning folk. People will deride others for stubbornly clinging to ICEs and the like for their own personal enjoyment even if it comes at the cost of the planet's well-being, but when it comes to meat (something they personally would have to sacrifice) suddenly they're all "idc I like meat too much" and "VEGAN DUM HURR DURR EAT BACON LUL"
Huh
Have you had pets before?
the first year of college really hit you hard huh
After eating meat for all of my life I did Veganuary the beginning of this year and stuck at it for 5 months. In the end it was cheese that did me in (fucking cheese man) and I'm a mix of a half veggie and half vegan diet. I was completely surprised with myself, but I haven't missed eating meat once. I would definitely recommend that people try either one - even if you don't stick to it forever, it really gives you an insight into what you put into your body and the effects it has on it. I feel WAY better after cutting out meat and massively cutting down on dairy and the like.
Yeah, pretty much the same here. Went veggie over a year ago due to environmental reasons and have found myself going more and more plant based. It's really fucking easy now, especially with all the meat alternatives now.
Most meat alternatives are soy based are they not?
I don't really want soy in my diet in that quantity.
I've cut meat out from some days, but I eat 3000 some odd calories of veggies at that point, and still don't feel full or good. You guys say you feel great from cutting it out, but I feel shitty when I do it.
You're not falling for the soy estrogen meme are you?
how come?
Soy concentrates upset my stomach, and I don't want them in my diet.
It isn't estrogen that makes soy less than healthy for you. It's the prevalence of soy oil and soy extracts in tons of foods. It's the over abundance of Omega 6's which when consumed over the recommend amounts can lead to issues.
Just because there was a meme about soy being bad, doesn't mean literally everything that soy producers say is great about soy is true.
I'm sad seafood and the like wasn't included in this video. Would've been informative for sure.
The point is not to replace meat with meat imitations, but to eat meals that don't require meat to taste good and be filling.
I'm pretty sure lots of dishes from around the world that are naturally vegetarian don't rely on soy.
Also, try to eat some vegetable fats, helps with satiety.
Suggestions? I use butter and olive oil for almost all of my cooking needs because coconut oil/fat is suboptimal for most cooking IMO.
Mayo can go well with plenty of things, and it's vegetarian. But my favourite sauce has to be béarnaise, makes me make veggie dips just as an excuse to indulge on it.
Also, guacamole goes pretty damn well with tortilla chips.
Kurzgesagt has always been a disinformation channel.
I think mayonaise is pretty bad for you, especially anything you buy in a store.
I'm sure as hell not making my own as I hate everything about it too, so that's not great IMO.
I cook what vegetarian dishes I can, but they do not satisfy me even if I enjoy them.
Unless I'm eating a lot of mushrooms, I rarely feel full on vegetarian meals. And then I'm over-doing it on what the bulk of my nutrition comes from.
I cook a lot, and I'm a pretty good cook, but I'll be honest, as much as I try to enjoy vegetarian dishes, I don't, and I don't feel better eating them.
I grew up with a very carniverous diet due to my parents upbringing, so I'm very hooked on meat, but I try to cut back by making veggies the majority of my meal when I eat, little steps, right?
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