Economic Immigration Animation - The Brexit Series - General

What does it prove other than immigrants cause more crime than native Europeans?

this vid is a fart in visual form my dude

Don't let the EU know, they will demand to give it citizenship and government aid.

I'm happy you are willing to admit that. I don't blame the immigrants for wanting to immigrate, given the chance anyone would want to go to a better land, especially one that will be willing to help financially support them. However there is sensible immigration, something that has been practiced for hundreds of years. Do not allow everyone in, do not treat asylum seekers the same as immigrants either because they are not. A country should vet and have standards for the people they are immigrating. For example in America legal immigrants are on average SMARTER than the average american and are far more likely to own a business. The EU handling immigration so poorly is one of the major reasons Britain left. By allowing in mass immigration of low educated individuals you are asking for a rise in violent crime, an increase in welfare spending and a hurt economy.

Ok, let's try this. I can only primarily speak for Norway, but the underlying issue is pretty much the same in Sweden. When it comes to murder statistics norwegians commit more murder than immigrants, generally men being the culprit. There was a recent statistic out of 160 murders, 60 were caused by immigrants. What is often ignored in these statistics is that 40 of those were immigrant on immigrants murders in slum areas. When it comes to rape and sexual assault statistics both sweden and norway have very broad definitions for this. Meaning any kind of sexual assault is counted as rape, as such in the past few years those numbers have spiked, coupled with the fact it's much more easier to report it now than before. While immigrants in these statistics end up being slightly higher than the native population, the vast majority of them(roughly 70 or 80%) is again immigrant on immigrant assault occurring in slums. That is both of the major violent crimes taken care of. Now let's talk about why you generally see statistics from right wing pundits going; SEE MOSLIMS ARE BAD. When they compare crime rates among the native population and immigrants, they count ALL crime and all immigration backgrounds, that means anyone from america, asia, western/eastern europe and the middle east get counted in this super scary percentage. The vast majority of these crime statistics come from petty crime, and most commonly the cause is poverty. If you compare crime statistics of a native person living in poverty vs an immigrant in poverty, you'll find that. They're the same. Now that's the reason why this is nowhere near as bad right wing pundits wants you to believe, the vast majority of these crime statistics are non violent petty crime, things like pick pocketing, shoplifting etc. The bigger note from this is that most of the crime happens in the slums to other immigrants. And that's the real problem, poor immigrants end up having no choice but to live in poor slum neighborhoods, the major issue is there's no easy way for poor immigrants to properly integrate into society and our culture. Which means children growing up in these slums no surprise end up doing crime. However, more often than not the parents will try to get their children into better schools and out of the slums, and the children who grow up end up being statistically exactly the same as the native population. After 1 or 2 generations most immigrants families are integrated. The solution to this isn't to deny access, but increase funding to tackle integration and tackle these slum areas. As another note, when it comes to work migrants, they're more than welcome, if they didn't a lot of local economies would collapse, as the general population do not, and will not do the work. This is particularly true for work like carpentry, painting as well as seasonal work like fish processing, forestry and agriculture work like picking strawberries.

Piffle doesn't prove anything and just uses rhetoric and lies a bunch. He lies about the relationship between the UK and the EU implying it's some sort of fealty or one-way rule. (I explained this 3 times + had a video on how it works and you ignored me) He lies about other trade agreements saying that they don't mean one country gets to impose its laws on another. Removal of tariffs is a change of law in the first place and pretty much all free trade agreements have TONS of laws that countries have to hold to so that one country doesn't destroy the others' industries. NAFTA includes laws on copyright, TPP did too, they include laws on sourcing automobile parts where you track every screw, nut, and bolt, they include amounts of milk and butter that can cross a border, working conditions, unions, worker's rights, fishing... He doesn't source anything, once again, but he looks like he's quoting numbers from shills and liars most of the time. Piffle says in one video that goods will be cheaper if foreign companies sell into the UK without a tariff barrier and in the next says that we need to get rid of the "bad" unskilled immigrants to make more jobs for UK citizens. This is simply going to create a situation like the US/Mexico where londoners will be angry that their jobs are now in another country and companies will just force you to bend the knee and accept whatever working conditions/pay because "at least you'll HAVE a job" because you can't go find work in europe or that the capitalists would just close businesses when faced with an expensive labour force. When I explained this your counter was: and also bringing up muslim rape statistic even though the video was supposed to be purely economic. You DO know that the rape and crime statistics are being misused and WILL be misused on you if there are other problems after right? Why stop using the framework of misapplying statistics and science once the muslims are gone? PJW will quote a paper on race and IQ, Piffle will get out of his way, and you'll see yourself on the top 10 list of who's ruining society now that the muslims are out with only antifascist activists, remaining minorities and whoever else has actual solidarity vs the whole of society.

You are confusing refugees and immigrants. Refugees can and should be allowed but refugees are not immigrants. Refugees are temporary while immigrants are permanent. Also without vetting you don't know who is and isn't a refugee. Yes, because they are different. Countries have treated refugees and immigrants differently for YEARS and it has worked. Treating refugees like immigrants is what caused all of these issues, allowing mass immigration of uneducated peoples into a country is bad for that country. IN TOTAL migrants make a minority of crime but migrants make far more crime per person. Migrants make up 13.5% of Norwegians (source https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/statistikker/innvbef/aar/2016-03-03) but commit 37.5% of the murders. Do you not see the issue here? Funny since I am using correctly. Are you saying we should ignore these statistics simply because they make immigrants look bad? Yes but these are laws that involve trade. The EU makes laws not concerning trade for their member states, do you not see the difference between making laws involving the trade deal and trying to govern countries? Now that the UK is out of the EU they can wait for the EU to stop being so bitchy and actually make a sensible trade deal that will help both parties. They aren't. Why do facts hurt your feelings so much?

IN TOTAL migrants make a minority of crime but migrants make far more crime per person. Migrants make up 13.5% of Norwegians (source https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/statistikker/innvbef/aar/2016-03-03) but commit 37.5% of the murders. Do you not see the issue here? Migrants make up 13.5% of Norwegians, yeah... most of them are polish or from other european/NA countries. I've already pointed out where these statistics come from, 37.5% of the murders committed by immigrants the vast majority of them are migrant on migrant violence in slums. The actual crime rates we have in Norway are so low they're almost insignificant, it's only really a problem in these slum areas, which is where money and support should be going. So no, I don't believe closing our borders and killing our local economy is going to work.

So increasing crime rates including murder isn't an issue to you because it doesn't happen where you live specifically? Also how are crime filled slums filled with low skilled people going to help the local economy? It's going to hurt it, especially when you count the tax money going in to support them or jail them once they commit a crime. You have basically admitted the issues to having no standards in your immigration policy and yet in the end you say it's a good thing because it doesn't effect you directly yet?

No, the point I'm making is that these issues are caused by poverty, not where they come from.

This is double wrong. Migrants can be temporary or seasonal, like most migrants in North America. And refugees can be indefinite or permanent, for example my family are Yugoslav War refugees and have yet to go back.

Your point doesn't matter because we are talking about uneducated migrants mass immigrating to a country hurting it's economy and raising crime rates. These immigrants come from poor countries and bring there problems and issues to the countries they get too. You going "But they are poor" doesn't change the violence, low education and drain on the economy and tax payer that they are. You have yet to prove how not allowing uneducated violent masses into your country will hurt it's economy or how not letting them in WONT make your country safer. All you are doing is hurting your own country and using money that could have gone to help your own nations people. No it isn't. An immigrant becomes a citizen while a refugee is expected to be temporary due to war and are also sectioned off from the citizens. While there are exceptions this is what is expected. Trying to argue they are the same thing is a stupid tactic the EU is using to justify to their actions.