Renegade Cut makes a video on Gamergate (and Ready Player One) - General

The Anti-SJW narrative branded Star Wars as enemy propaganda as soon as the first trailer for TFA came out, the only thing that made TLJ special to them was the lukewarm reaction it got.

Lol, go to 4chan and ask the people there about Ready Player One and they will think it's dumb pandering with the most normie nerdy stuff you can get. Most of the people you could consider Gamergate supporters don't really care for this kind of pandering, nor the consolidation of so called "geek culture" like these kinda people spread around. Just cause you like games don't mean you like boring superhero movies or comics or whatever.

Honestly, I really wasn't paying attention to it as much back in 2015. You might be right - it just seems like the reaction to TLJ has been far more vile. I mean, as far as I know, TFA doesn't have an alt-right cut that almost entirely removes all the women.

You are an enigma and I really do not understand how you can be so thick when it comes to certain things.

You should stop posting in these threads

One of these days I'll get to the bottom of whether or not Anthony Burch really did just post ":)" on Twitter the same day that Ryan Davis's death was reported by Giant Bomb. Because as likely as it is that there was some kind of holiday, sale or event going on, I can't help but wonder if it had anything to do with this and Burch's notoriously thin skin. https://i.imgur.com/4So2rzd.jpg All I have to go on is that I'm not the only person who saw it, but I can't find so much as a screencap of the tweet itself.

It's going to be discussed indefinitely. It's part of gaming history.

TLJ was simply received much worse than TFA was reception wise, and the elements that made that supercut a thing this year hadn't really come together when TFA came out, which was just before the 2016 election when things really got bad. But Star Wars didn't even need to be a catalyst. There were plenty of stupid culture war moments between now and when GG started. It's simply that Star Wars is the most visible of them, given that it's the second largest media franchise behind Marvel now.

Given that his name is in the credits, I'm going to call bullshit. And before you say that she added it after he mentioned it in the Admission Quest article, I'm going to call bullshit on that too. Also, coverage is not the same thing as a review. A review is a type of coverage, but not all coverage is reviews. Like how a news reporter can cover a story, or cover a movie release, but they don't count as reviewers. And he was giving it more than its fair share of coverage in that article. He named the article after it, gave it the header image (despite the game being 95% text and 5% still stock images), and picked it as one of 3 standouts games in the list, calling it "powerful" and "darling". That's obviously not anything worth crying about, and anyone who does is, well, dumb. But it is unfair to the other games on the list, the ones that have, you know, gameplay. And graphics. And content rather than being a short story. There's nothing wrong with Depression Quest being a short story, sure. It's just not something to compare to, say, Manos Hands of Fate, Shadowgate, Lili, or Hand of Fate (not to be confused with Manos Hands of Fate). If he had put an aside of "btw I helped with / my friend made a game called depression quest, it'll take like 15-30 minutes and its free, check it out", that would have been fine. Still, it was an issue that really no one should care about besides a little "hey, you forgot that sentence". But then the people being criticized doubled down on it, and the GG side found more stuff and doubled down, and the anti side doubled down even more, until it became a giant clusterfuck.

I would not be shocked if it is true. God, how is it that he's directly related to one of the nicest people in the gaming industry? It's like if Randy Pitchford and Todd Howard were brothers or something.

Honestly, the original Depression Quest scandal was pretty much what everyone expected from games journalism. Had they not made such a shitstorm about it, nobody would remember the whole thing at this point. Just look at the that Kane and Lynch scandal a number of years back: the ethical breach was much more severe but the average reaction today is probably something along the lines of "What?" or "Oh right, that was a thing".

so if I'm understanding this correctly, the problem is that someone included a game in a list of recently greenlit indie games that was made by someone they knew? I'm not really seeing the comparison with a multi-million dollar corporation getting a journalist fired for writing a negative review.

Yeah, that's the point. The Depression Quest thing was barely a blip on the radar ethics wise compared to all the other shit games journalism had dealt with. The whole thing would have been forgotten in a week if it weren't for the extreme overreaction from the games press. The Kane and Lynch thing was wayyy more serious yet it's mostly forgotten these days.

can someone explain why all the terrible bullshit doxxing, threat-making, and misogyny from both sides that happened as part of gamergate always seems to get handwaved away by people as if it wasn't a big part of it. I like games but i dont consider myself a gamer, so while gamergate was going on i was pretty disconnected from it all and the only tidbits i picked up on was the doxxing, threats and misogyny. Which means whenever i read a thread of facepunch talking about gamergate as if it was a great ethical crusade it butts up against my personal experience of a years-long internet civil war where no-one looked good and that was strangely focused on women at times

Do you mind sharing them?

Because the doxxing, threat-making, and misogyny was done by anti-GG people for the large majority.

As you were told the last time you need to read through the reads thereof, because your view isn't accurate then and and it isn't accurate now, and the two people involved with doxx por-GG were liteally booted out of the community eg Prince of /Pol/ and Ralph of the raplh retort. read. the. threads. read them.

It's because when you're talking about specific big events, those things inevitably get left out because they're a bunch of small events, most of which don't stand out on their own. Usually if Gamergate is brought up by someone who's anti-GG or neutral the harassment is mentioned. When people in this topic say GG was a "clusterfuck" I'm pretty sure they're referring to exactly what you brought up. Notable events involve big names (Zoe Quinn, Totalbiscuit, Milo Yiannopoulos) or people in positions of journalistic power, or the journalism sites themselves. However, the majority of what happened involving Gamergate was just shit flinging, harassment, doxxing, etc. throughout the internet which sort of blends together in people's memory. No one who was paying attention at the time ignores that stuff (or should anyways) but it's hard to point out specific examples.

This is true, but I feel like it's only because a lot of the things being spewed from the more notorious anti-GGers brought in the people who thought they'd be justified in being total cocks. Even those lesser known/unknown people were pretty much ignored for the most part by the pro-GGers because it's not what the "movement" was really supposed to be about, but confronting them would immediately cause that shitty group to either attach itself to you or rip you apart through doxing/harassment/etc.

A number of anti-GGers from back in the day were later outed as pedophiles and some arrests were made.

Well remember that Milo and Adam Baldwin had big roles in the movement and both were very, very eager to make it about politics.

Every single person in the world has some level of bias on every issue. It's not possible for humans to be totally objective, and that's fine. RationalWiki is honestly a total joke. It's like Conservapedia or whatever it's called, except for SJWs.

dude I'm not going to spend hours pouring over 5 year old facepunch threads. You're pulling the equivalent of posting a 3 hour long youtube video in an internet argument, it isnt going to happen

If you're looking for a timeline, the deepfreeze wiki has a pretty detailed event history leading up to the 5 guys incident and some of the stuff after. http://ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php?title=Timeline/Full

okay this makes more sense because my interaction with GG was mainly picking up on the day to day stuff through SH and the videos subforum, which I guess was mainly geared towards the issues of doxxing/threats/Anita etc.

Even so, that doesn't excuse it. If you want to talk about people that did not deserve the amount of hate and harassment they got from the pro-GG side, Anita Sarkeesian is a good example. I don't like her, I think her work is shoddy and I don't like her style of feminism, but nothing she did was anywhere NEAR proportional to the amount of harassment she's received. Like I said earlier though, when it comes to harassment, defamation, doxxing, etc. anti-GG was way worse in that the people doing that shit were often in positions of journalistic power. I can't think of any examples of that from pro-GG, even Milo who later turned into a gigantic asshole was relatively restrained back then.

If you're not willing to educate yourself and form your own opinion, I'm not particularly interested in telling you what you're opinion is supposed to be.

This isn't helpful. There were so many gamergate threads and they were dozens of pages long. No one should be expected to go back and drudge themselves through them. If you don't want to help someone learn about something, you don't have to, just leave. Don't be an ass about it.

Considering your information isn't accurate either and your waffling in the threads themselves, you're essentially making my point for me.

Yeah, you're right. Both sides had "big names" that tried their damnedest to inject their agendas, but I (along with many I talked to around that time, in regards to GG) always tried to pay attention to what was going on in the middle of each side. Not the loudest, most well known people, and not the throwaway harassment/death threat accounts at the bottom of the barrel.