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Ah hell this is what I'm greeted with this morning Garry please for the love of god don't nuke this place, this place is one of the main reasons why I'm still alive, if it wasn't for this place I'd probably have just been another mark on the childhood suicide statistics.
Tax issues
Soon my soul shall be free of this prison
Return the Oldpunch; make it being hosted purely on donations.
I feel like the forum would be 10000% more receptive to the changes you do if you write up a brief explanation of why you did a change instead of silently changing things and giving a brief one word reply to people asking a question about the change. From your usually quick short posts I get the feeling you dont want to spend a lot of time here (this is ok) but giving 60 seconds to writing a post instead of 5 will really go a long way here. a good example of this was back when someone asked if members of the community could help out in developing this new forum and all you said to that was "absolutely not." these two words made a lot of people bitch and moan but then a few hours later you clarified that this forum relies on things used in other facepunch things that you dont want to be seen by non-FP employees. After that explanation everyone was understanding of you original two word answer. you also need to keep in mind that people talk differently depending on what method of communication they use. Sure, there are community members here that give you shit for doing something they dont like but I promise you, if they talked to you in real life person-to-person they would gush over how much they love what you do and how important you are to their life. shifting topics a little, for me personally, this forum will be complete once the vibrating twitter bug is fixed and the popular threads page returns. you are really close to something great here.
bro just make a facepunch donation fund, stop being existential and just get free money, nobody would complain about it
This is pretty disheartening news to wake up to. Reading the past ~7 pages, there's not much left to say other than I feel that Facepunch as a forum is irreplaceable, and that goes doubly so for the community.
Garry lies so much and does things out of spite so often I can't believe the things he says, but only would do something, like shutting down the forum, out of a destructive impulse of "Fuck it". Ruins or whatever that game was, was shaping up to be a really neat game but Garry canned it because this community is too toxic, or something, and wouldn't start development until everyone could play nice. Not exactly verbatim because I can't look at the game cancellation post anymore due to the forum reconstruction, however, it has just felt like Garry has hated this community and would rather throw everything in the trash than hand it over to someone else to take care of.
If the off chance you do shutdown facepunch could you by chance make a thread archive somewhere on the internet for people who frequently look through several year old posts? I often find myself looking through long since dead posts rather then new ones or posting anything. Alot of interesting stuff from the older days even if it doesn't always work or function as it used to.
Just adding that I visit here every single day since like 2009. I love seeing people that I recognize. On reddit it's just completely faceless. Discord is just IRC with integrated pictures. I love ratings that aren't just upvotes and downvotes. I love the semistrict but still can have fun moderation. I love lmao pics, even if it's format is a little dated, it's a great place to find new things and the people who make them.
Oh man, I wasn't hoping to wake up to this. I really like Facepunch, I've met nearly all of my online friends through here. I'm a pretty introverted person IRL, and can't really deal with having lots of people around, but Facepunch really feels like a community I can be a part of and I feel comfortable expressing even my most inner thoughts and feelings to a lot of the people here. I think @meppers is completely correct, @garry . While its obvious you're trying to make this place better, your response to any questions is usually blunt hostility, which in turns makes people respond with, surprise surprise, blunt hostility. The fact that people get so upset about changes they don't understand shows how much they care about this place. You may not like it but you'll get much more constructive responses if you yourself give some constructive responses.
I'm not sure if I lurk more or less now since the switch to Newpunch, but I do know I still enjoy these forums more than any alternative online community. It would be a shame if they were to go away, there isn't really any comparable media to them out there. Reddit's garbage for getting to know anyone, and Discord is basically 100% fast threads all the time. If the forums get deleted your soul goes with them. Trapped forever. It's like sealing away an ancient evil.
Facepunch don't you die on me you sonofabitch I love FP. And others do to. It has to survive.
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Why not just get rid of ALL subforums? Then nobody will be able to find anything and you'll have finally run this site completely into the ground like you've been trying to do for the past year or so.
this post is like watching The Green Mile
Ceasing to exist is a form of freedom.
Please don't shut us down :c I've been here for 12 years (lost the first account), and facepunch is my homepage. I'll be completely lost without this site.
Man if Facepunch goes, I'll be losing a serious hub for content and discussion that's basically impossible to find anywhere else. Reddit and Discord are too specialised and rarely generate the kind of input and critique that I find here.
Mirrors on the ceiling,/The pink champagne on ice/And she said "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"/And in the master's chambers,/They gathered for the feast/They stab it with their steely knives,/But they just can't kill the beast Last thing I remember, I was/Running for the door/I had to find the passage back/To the place I was before/"Relax, " said the night man,/"We are programmed to receive./You can check-out any time you like,/But you can never leave! "
Why not make facepunch forums open source :weSmart:
Is this how a forum dies?
Quit trying to chase trends. You're falling in to the trapping of every fly-by-night tech company where they see Reddit or Uber or whatever and decide they have to have that and if they copy it they will surely get everything those have got. It doesn't work. You're chasing rainbows and unicorns. You don't have to, nor will you, be the most popular and hip place on the internet. Focus instead on being a rock, a solid place that has a stable position and community around it. You took a hands off approach before and people liked it and, by and large, it worked. So why exactly did you decide you had to take an active role in running the show? The forums needed to be updated to a new system for stability, security, whatever? That's fine. But it should have been feature complete first, even if it wasn't bug free. Instead you were doing that thing of chasing trends by trying to make it more like Reddit, completely changing the nature of what it was. It needed to work and be free of critical vulnerabilities while maintaining the same concept as the original. After that, it really didn't need a guiding hand to drive discussion. Seriously, just do what you did before, make it a solid, functional community space and then go back to developing games.
I've been on this forum ever since a bit more than 5 years, which is around a fifth of my life. I can't believe I'm seeing what would be the last leg of this forum. I may not post often nor be remembered by any people due to infrequent posting...but I still can say this forum was probably one of the most or even THE most successful public forum. Which is kinda ironic because garry tried so much making the forum into a...not forum. For the longest time at that. In the case the forum is getting nuked randomly, I want to say it was a pleasure to be with you guys.
Garry please don't nuke the place. I know it seems all we do is bitch 24/7 (I have been guilty of this one or two times), but we appreciate what you've done for us all this time. If it seems you don't get anything out of this community anymore, please just turn over the reins to others instead of nuking. As all others have said, this is a genuine home for me (for the past 7+ years) and everyone else. I browse here on the daily, Reddit is cold and a poor discussion environment, most Social Media is just not the best as online communities, Discord I rarely lurk or even post on because there's no lasting sense there of a community. Forums are the only thing that stand the test of time for me, something to cherish and look back upon (there's so many goddamn memories I have of this place). They're not fleeting, not volatile, not hiveminds, they're homes.
I've been here from the early days of Gmod mainly lurking, but it would be pretty saddening to see this forum go. I still visit almost every day. Like others said, Reddit can't replace old fashioned forums.
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First thing I wake up to is Garry considering to close up the forums. What a good start. Real talk though if you do plan on doing it please don't. This forum has been my home for a long while and I think it's one of the best out there for having a (mostly) moderate userbase and having so many good threads on here too, as well as getting my political news from it too. I've made so many cool friends on this site and it would be a shame to see it die.
Everyone is addressing the forums shutdown so I don't have much to add there (I agree with them, this is a coolio community and it'd be a shame not having it), so I wanna put my thoughts on something else: First part, the company & games don't benefit.... Yet? Facepunch has made Garry's Mod a long while ago, and those forums were pretty active in those sections with a lot of new content, screenshots, bigass constructions, addons and tools, bug reports... I'd argue it was pretty beneficial, at that. Then comes Rust, with its lesser age average. I can't comment too much on it, since I never played it or went to its section; I'll be optimistic and say that, once you removed the 'help me the atomic radiation from the banana next to me hacked into my account and got me banned' and 'server 1 is full of hackers MODS?!?!', it wouldn't be that bad... Maybe... Idk. Since the first game was a creative sandbox, and Rust isn't that oriented towards it, both communities wouldn't mix 100%. It's just how it goes. When we get more info (and 🔑keys🔑 layla🔑 pls🔑), you'll get people interested in sandbox, both old-timers and newcomers. If it's good enough (and without the Source limitations, it's likely), you'll get a new content from the community again, bug reports, feedback, etc etc etc. which will be beneficial again to the company. And here comes what I actually wanted to post: nothing I do is appreciated, everything I do is wrong The problem I mostly see with newpunch (and a few times in old) is that you mix your changes and features in a way that has no net positive. A few examples: -People argued against overly specific subforums that had no use other than one or two megathreads. Changing your stance on megathreads? Positive. Removing those subforums? Debatably positive. Removing all subforums of everything? Negative. Removing main forums that didn't suffer from that problem, like Fast Threads? Negative. The general outcome of this change isn't positive, but mixed. -Noting the 'don't visit, don't understand' comment, I guess, you hired a community manager to help you with that problem. Positive! ...But the moment he used his forum-creating powers, with the approval of the community, you undid his changes. Negative. I could add in this point all the rules fiascos, but let's leave it at that. Something positive changes (subforum filters on the left), but something negative also happens (changelogs get removed). Something positive, something negative. You may get some encouragement for the positive ones, but you will also get (more or less constructive) criticism over the negatives, either because there's room for improvement (keep subforums but broader), or because something straight up broke (lol rules). And nobody likes being unheard, which is why radio silence is a problem (mobile overlay, fp_read). I'm not against innovating and trying new things. I think there's a lot of potential in the coin system integrated, profile bling, subforum features... But the time between gathering results and feedback and acting on it is just too much. And it will have some unavoidable backlash if people don't know what the hell is going on (which is why removing the changelog and roadmap is another negative). Maybe there's more positives behind, but if I can't even notice them, how do they help? You'll get a more positive light if those changes are way more isolated and feedback is (and feels) much more taken into account, rolling back if needed. I'm taking into account the times that worked: remember the polidicks stars? People were against them, they tried it and they proved it didn't work for them. They got changed back, and everybody was happy with that change. Or the 16-pixel everything. People were against it being only way to have avatars, it didn't work out and got scrapped. And everybody was happy with that change. (Though I wonder what would've happened if you allowed it for topic icons or as an alternative to avatars, or to custom ratings or....) This has a lot of potential and I'm very interested in the integrations you could get implemented in this. It just needs to be done slower and with some notice beforehand to know what to expect. (and BOY did I drop a wall of text without wanting to, oh well thanks for listening to my ted talk)
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