• Notpunch - I'm making a forum system
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I think the API is pretty straightforward, but I'm not sure how exactly the front-end operates. I don't have much experience in front-end, but I'd still like to learn how it works. Babel and React are both things I haven't tried yet. I've been using Pug to render pages the whole time for a personal project I'm working on.
https://streamable.com/uxhr1 i think we now have all of the basics in place. we could put it up if we wanted to (it'd just be quite barebones)
god damn it
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/326417/a37d4235-c41c-4ac3-ba38-2a7018db4677/image.png my hands hurt terribly and it was very irresponsible but we have rich text now
who knows lol
Copy of my post from the forum discussion: "Just to throw my $.02 into the hat: I don't want old threads and posts to be saved. It's a bit selfish but after a huge privacy scare a while back I've been trying to remove myself from the internet where I can. Being part of FP for more than 8 years and starting barely into my teens has left a lot of my personal info on some very old threads that are still around. I deleted my years old account to try to flush as much as I could but anything that people quoted would still be around. Hearing that we might restore a backup is actually kind of scary, because it would put all of that info back up for anyone to find. I'd rather just lay it to rest and move on." That video above of everything being saved scares the shit out of me since that's right before I finished getting everything deleted. If someone made a backup right now it'd be fine but that would undo over a month of work on trying to get my info off this site.
just go all out SCP and [EXPUNGE] the [DATA]
Too bad they dropped the DM system with newpunch, otherwise that would be easy.
no worries, if we can we'd want to use newer backups anyway. i've been through the same so i know how you feel
Have none of you ever had to search through old threads to find some old piece of information or link? One of the things I hate about 4chan is the fact that so much old content just gets deleted It means so much interesting (or at least useful) info gets lost in time, it's also an interesting time capsule to see how opinions change or how people first reacted to things I'd suggest that instead we enable people to wipe their accounts and posts instead of losing entire threads
i agree this is the safest bet, but then you gotta get someone to make this list, find all links, and in the end still get shit because "why didn't you make a backup of THIS thread??" etc. probably not that much effort with wikipunch and so many threads about remembering FP around, but still frankly i don't think we need, or should, have a backup of everything. what's even the legality of all that, what are the dangers for people whos info is/may become compromised, is it really necessary in the first place?
To be fair, there are sites specifically made to archive 4chan threads. Places like archive.moe and archive.4plebs.org.
But wouldn't that make it ever harder for people to eventually delete all their posts if they wanted too if they're not even held onsite?
If there's one thing which I agree with garry about with the whole shutting down FP, it's the data being given to someone else. When I signed up to this site, I'm only really consenting to have my data (my posts, username, profile details etc) be available here. If you start up Notpunch with a bunch of my data, which I haven't explicitly allowed you to do (and even worse, it will probably be editable which means your archive isn't actually an archive, and could be manipulated), it just seems like a really shitty thing to do.
idk man, this just seems ethically questionable and like a potential privacy nightmare, at best. yes it's sad to have so many posts potentially lost, but i'll take sad over dangerous and if you're actually heading a new facepunch platform, you should too
Hezzy mentioned that it would be a GDPR violation to pull the posts in from a backup.
Starting a new forum should ideally not have posts, or user accounts from the old one. That said, I fully support any backup and archival done of what are public posts.
i intended to try to reach out to garry to ask if it's okay to put the data up, but with all of your concerns i think it's sounding more and more like it wouldnt be a good idea. however, i do really believe that archival is important. if for no other reason, for a selfish one: i've been on this site for over 10 years and i don't want it all to be just gone in an instant there are a lot of archival communities that we could really learn a lot from. right now, notpunch can display all facepunch posts because the post format is compatible. if necessary, once notpunch is no longer compatible, i could easily make something like a "facepunch archives viewer", but that will need to have data that respects everyone's privacy thank you all for your opinions, it's really important that you all speak up. i've already changed my mind because of all the stuff you've said
I guess the Wayback Machine might be useful for the infamous stuff.
FP being a Euro company complicates it, I'm sure FP will do whatever is within reason to preserve posts. However, I fully support someone scraping newpunch and hosting an archive in a non-euro country, despite how controversial that could be. My opinion has been: if you posted it on the internet, it's no longer private.
I really don't get the logic here. We have shit like the Wayback Machine which constantly does exactly that without your approval to begin with. This is really no different other than the fact that the end product is intended to be usable instead of simply a snapshot.
Wayback machine is immutable and hosted by a trusted third party. Outside of the obviously GDPR concerns of scraping someone's data (which I believe is not allowed anyway for EU citizens without prior consent from each person), I don't want my content of the last 11+ years hosted somewhere people can edit, which could ultimately misrepresent my views in the future, especially as I get deeper into the """"professional""""" world. The fact it is "usable" is exactly my concern. It isn't just about the content sticking around, it's how it's going to be used. If you even advertise Notpunch with the fact it has users individually identifiable posts (such as usernames) from a previous website, which you scraped without direct consent from each user, I'm pretty sure you breach GDPR.
IMHO GDPR is a draconian solution for a legitimate problem (nothing new for the EU, such as the cookie notification law). If newpunch is available from the US/Non-GDPR country, I fully support scraping from there. I personally would gladly host the archive, even if it meant blocking Euro IPs (which isn't anything new, I geoblock most of the middle-east, NK/China, Russia on some services). I do not believe in the European interpretation of "right to be forgotten".
i'd really rather not do that. excluding people based on what country they reside in is not the solution for this problem
we won't have facepunch's legacy system, though. we can't have users claim accounts
I'd rather not have the looming threat of the EU prosecuting me for millions I don't have. GDPR is a huge complex set of laws, and really only companies that are huge can field the team of lawyers required to navigate it. Blocking EU traffic for cases where it's a concern is literally the easiest method. You'd have to see what GDPR considers personal data, and what classifies public posts. Could just be a case of hiding/anonimizing the user data, but retaining post data. Either way it degrades archival usefulness, and is one of the reasons I'm again GDPR.
Honestly this just seems like unfounded paranoia. I'm all for respecting privacy (I'm pretty frequently one of the few voices actively arguing for stronger privacy rights when most Facepunchers are saying something's not a big deal) but the chances of someone actually doing something like this are slim at best.
I agree, but it is still a concern to be considered. Unaudited importing of people's personal data and posts is open to so much potential discussion it's not worth the overhead and hassle. I also think dismissing other people's concerns isn't the way to do this, and it is something that has been brought up with me in the past.
Apart from the truly great threads, do we really need to backup all of FP? Especially if handling GDPR is going to be so painful. Maybe we should focus on release threads (I.E. map releases, source compilers, assets) so things people may want to get from FP won't be lost.
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