I can understand Garry in some regards to repeated complaints and whatnot but I still don't get how some subforums that nobody complained about and worked just fine (like Videos subforum) were hit with it.
I hope it comes back, although I do fear it might have already deterred old posters from coming back.
its no secret that garry is still flirting with the idea of shutting the forums down, the way I see it he's already made up his mind and everything he's doing now is just part of his plan to slowly shut it down.
I really hope Garry reverses this change. With the meta subforum merged into GD as well I have to subscribe to that subforum if I want meta threads. And as such I get shit loads of video threads in my notifications now which I physically could not care for less if I tried. I'm at the point where I'm about to simply unsubscribe from GD and stop giving a shit about meta threads instead.
As much as I appreciate that people are frustrated about the big man's decisions as of late, is tagging garry with what could be perceived as an attack really going to get the outcome that people are hoping for? There's been a few descriptive posts which are probably helpful, but honestly, please think. I don't think tagging and telling someone you are accusing of making rash, emotionally charged decisions that they are fucking things up is the most well thought out way to go.
that is some russian-type style tyrannical bullshit rigth there
It'd create work for the moderators because we'd have to move things to the correct forum, which in turn would probably lead to me reversing the policy on not banning people for posting things in the wrong forum
fuck I misread the post originally "they will be back soon"
i literally had a dream last night that they were up and was excited to check it out today fuuuuck.
just move all videos to oify, it will also increase oify population, two birds stoned at once
weed lmao
Message received loud and clear.
Another thing: this whole "we'll see if it gets clogged up" method is a really bad way of measuring activity of video's getting posted. This is because we don't have data from before the elimination of the videos subforum. You can't make an accurate comparison at all of if there are more, or less, videos being posted (and the discussion that goes with it). My gut tells me we have les being posted now, but I can't back that up.
But neither can the administration back up the claim that it's going to be either the same or more.
Frankly, I'm sick of having to grovel to get back basic features of this forum.
This thread should be stickied. It has important information about the forums in it.
I mean, we have much less important stuff stickied in this forum. Like the one about a bowling meetup.
Just wanted to drop my 5 cents about this situation:
First of all I am thankful to Hezzy for everything he's been doing after the subforums was nuked.
But I must admit this was the point when I have started visiting FP far less frequently. And the removal of videos subforum is one of the main reasons.
I don't know why garry decided to postpone forums shutdown at this point. The amount of mismanagement is astonishing so why bother? I don't say that he can't do it, he's the owner after all. But I just don't understand why he doesn't listen to Hezzy and everyone else...
Posting videos was an essential part of the Facepunch community style. Having a section for this is only reasonable, at the very least. I physically cannot understand why the video subforum got the axe while we have even less active and less useful sections that still exist???
If Garry really is trying to choke Facepunch by making it inconvienent, he's like the Republicans that sabotage things in order to show why they should be shut down. Garry is a ****
We should ban lmao pics and make people post each meme as a seperate thread in the general sub. It might be bold, but I think it might be a good idea and we should see how people adapt to the change
we should also get rid of ratings to encourage more activity
It's hard to see it as anything other than removing bits of the forum until there's nothing left.
I'm willing to listen if we're talking about issues with handing the forum off to somebody else, or megathreads vs subforums, but in this case the logic feels somewhat like "hey guys I'm going to remove the search feature to see if that is a useful change."
I would say if you like the forums, don't leave. Instead be like OKAY COOL I WILL POST TONS OF VIDEOS IN GENERAL TO MAKE USE OF THIS GREAT NEW FEATURE.
I mean, the day the video forum was removed, and all of it was herded into general, we had thread throughput up to 3-4 pages of less than 1 day since last post in a thread.
It was pointed out, that most people don't really check for threads past page 1, the result of this was obviously predicted then and there, activity would slow down and drop.
The videos subforum alone used to sit at 1-2 pages of activity alone. Now we've got 1 and a half page of <1 day active threads, this is with all the other forums also herded in here.
So if the plan was to reduce activity, congrats it's worked. Surely this means there's no need for a video subforum right? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, it makes no sense and everyone hates it. It just feels like Garry is creating a situation where people get fed up, so he can just pull the plug
Last time people tried to *prove a point* by making great uses of this not thought out feature, they got perma banned
Garry does this sort of shit all the time and then has the gall to cry us a fucking river about no-one liking anything he changes. What a damn baby.
https://i.imgur.com/wz8L21X.png
It's not a method of measuring activity. It's a way of saying "There are too many videos, we need a dedicated subforum"
I'm not advocating the spamming of video content, to make it clear. I want people just to feel comfortable posting videos in General.
Look, I know you're on our side and are generally juggling a lot of contradictory administrative roles simultaneously, but I really don't think people being 'comfortable' with posting videos in general is the central issue. The problem is more based in the fact that people tend towards sub-forums/categories they feel will provide the most relevant content to their expectations. Videos will still be posted, yes, but I feel that fewer videos and fewer replies will result from this change, and this is already clearly the case.
As I have implied previously in this thread: I know you are not the arbiter of this change and do not have the authority to rescind it, but I also don't think simply papering over the cracks is going to revitalise this aspect of Facepunch engagement. =/
I think all of this would be solved if we had custom forum sorting, something I suggested a little bit ago. Basically, letting people modify their front page to show what subforums are relevant to them.
I know Garry isn't interested at all in the general sections of the forums. speaking from experience, I know how it feels to be turned off from your own creation sometimes. you feel not necessary, not included. I also discovered, that after running a (relatively small) community, designating people to help run the community from the same "chair" as you, while you blocked off the parts you didn't really like, helped a lot to alleviate said feeling.
Most of this is caused by ego.
I think Garry would benefit from having someone with the same control as him manage the "general" part of the forum, while he himself handled the sections pertaining to Facepunch Studios as a game dev company.
Hezzy, I have directed much criticism towards you, although all public and not private. But I feel you would lead this place in a better place if you were considered to be equal to Garry when it came to forum decisions. At least, having that sort of freedom would (hopefully) allow you to take into criticism from the general community, paving the way for some sort of positive change for the majority of users.
Couldn't you just bend the rules so to speak? I mean, garry doesn't use the forums so why should he care if we've hijacked a completely dead subforum and are actually giving it a purpose.
Plus it'd be a chuckle to tell people to post their videos in a completely unrelated subforum and watch their confusion.
So, I did this thing as a shortcut for myself, but maybe someone else may find it useful. It's a button that links to a search of threads containing the word Video in the title. Unfortunately they're all ordered by creation time rather than last post made, but the search function lost a lot of its pizzazz during the forum change.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/374329-facepunch-video-section-replacement
https://greasyfork.org/system/screenshots/screenshots/000/012/980/original/Mock_Screnshot.jpg?1542141031
Remember the last time Hezzy bent the rules to allow a subforum to exist?
Well, I'll certainly feel comfortable posting interesting videos on there every time I come across one.
As much as i'd like this, since Hezzy, y'know, has critical thinking and reasoning skills and as well is an active and respected member of this community, the man has, from what i understand, a pretty busy and active life of his own. Dumping all this on him would be a little unfair. That said, i think it'd work if you basically added a tier of moderator abilities and had it to where you had Hezzy as admin, backed up basically by a commitee of higher tier mods like Postal or whoever else that has the capability to create subforums and respond to community feedback, and lower tier mods to manage said subforums and operate basically as they do now. If Garry's problem is basically that he doesn't want to work or anything, this is basically best i can see to solvethat problem but not dump 100% of it on omeone else.
too soon man
I'm gonna play around with more user engagement through the election of a Polidicks council, have users have a say over which rules are written and applied, which users are banned from the section etc. I'd definitely be up for a subforum committee but I would have to have carte blanche power over the creation of subforums (which I had previously but not as of late)
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