• The Forum Discussions VI: Banhammerfell
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considering some users only post in certain threads exclusively, it's kind of like a ban. I see it more as a warning system really. Users display perfectly normal behaviour (well, surely not in ASIC's case) outside of that one specific thread, but in that specific thread/subforum they're being idiots. Hence, they can be banned from posting on that subforum in particular. Personally I think it's yet another sorta modernism that doesn't make much sense. There are in fact users basically exclusive to some subsections (polidicks/rust/GMod all have a vastly different array of posters) but it's very rare to have users that exclusively post in any one given section/thread. So, if that's the case, then you ban them in general anyways because it doesn't really make sense to just ban them from that one thread, in my mind. It makes sense in reddit's case as each subreddit is almost like it's own forum. But each subforum here is exactly that, a subforum of the larger forum, facepunch. They're all interlinked by the common thread of the section they're in (SH/Polidicks/General are all under "Facepunch", Rust/GMOD/Prototypes are under "Facepunch Studios", etc.). If a user's being shitty enough to warrant a ban in one section, they probably deserve a site-wide ban anyways.
There's a clear pattern in this forum of people getting banned over controversial/ignorant posts that derail a thread. So basically you have people getting banned not because they broke a rule, but because of other people's dumb overreaction to their post. Personally I don't really think that's fair but what do I know.
Your pattern of repeatedly asking over and over "why was i banned ;-; pls give me fifteen concrete examples of specifically breaking the rulez" is incredibly irritating and gets absolutely nobody on your side.
I don't think you all understand or grasp how much of a basket case ASIC was in that TF2 thread. It's not banning, it's barring someone from posting in a thread because they simply cannot help themselves. Somewhat in this case either side could not help themselves. Though rare we've done this before, it's because the other option is pressing the ban button - don't talk to me about whats fair. If you think moderating is all about pressing the ban button, i have bad news for you. This isn't some foreign concept, it's pretty much this. https://i.imgur.com/3lsjolJ.png Are u going to question some actual decent moderating? lol
allow him to post there and instead get pbanned when he cant stop fucking up and then the problem is forever solved
Yeah but this is for BAD users / trolls / assholes ASIC couldn't take any hints about how much grief he was causing, that would have been too easy and unfair.
Hmm if only we had a thing called a block button 🤔 too bad FP has never had that
Yeah real smart big brains, bet you thought this post was clever users that blocked asic still saw his posts when others quoted him
What am I supposed to say in response to all this? (I can respond to 2 bits of this though). I believe what you are saying isn't true. But I can't disprove it, at least not in a reasonable time frame. What you are saying about me is too vague to address. I can ask you to prove what you say. But similarly this would be unreasonably hard for you. I don't think you could do it in a reasonable time frame. So what can we do? I can ask you for a single or few examples of what you say. We can go in some dumb back in forth argument, where we both claim to be right. That's all I can think of. On ignoring arguments. I'm not sure exactly where you are referring to this happening, but I can explain why it happened. I don't purposefully ignore people. But I often talk to a lot of people at once in arguments. In the random crit thread for example, I was talking to (IIRC) over 20 different people. I simply can't respond to everyone, and given enough posts I will start to miss things. The background was a joke. Other guys did things in much worse taste (like calling me a child molester), so I thought it would be ok.
Wow that totally doesn't sound like a design flaw or anything
probably take it to PMs
Yup, had this done to me by Postal. Except he also banned me for month on top of it.
(At one point?) that was actually his unban condition for me. I do not think those users would block me, even if it blocked quotes. It's not about capability, it's about desire. And they did not want to leave me alone. It is like they would go out of their way to be upset. I can give a lot of examples of this. A broad example. In the random crit discussion thread, there were several users who spent most of the thread insulting me. That's two months. They clearly lost interest in the thread topic. At the beginning when I realized this I suggested that they leave, but they didn't want to. A more specific example. A month back I made a thread, and a bunch of them showed up to insult me. They even called out my thread in the tf2 thread.
I'm more surprised this ban has lasted for years, ostensibly, but also it's getting kind of personal at this point, so I suggest ya'll... also since we're talking about ASIC can we apprecciate the fact asic made a thread who's ID was "buttt" because that is just great and I thought it was funny 🍷
I'm fairly certain that I gave the mods hints, even a while before they banned me. Like in the random crit thread, I know I told a few mods about the threadshitting some users were doing. They didn't do anything about it, and just let it spiral out of control.
Genuine friendly suggestion ASIC, but you should probably take a bit of a break from the forums (or at the very least learn to control yourself to not fixate your time on the TF2 thread). I don't believe in things like users not being able to respond on things that reference them or dogpiling them in general either, but for the benefit of yourself and everyone it's best to let things go, move on and wait till everything cools off. Clear your head, self-reflect and let time ease things for yourself. For better or worse FP (and I think every community in general) always had users with reputations attached and become a punchline on a joke if they have a persistent or significant presence. It's one of those things you can't control when something just happens with you and the community. If there are any genuine vitriol and actual flaming involve, I think you can report or contact a mod about it. If you don't think they're giving you fair treatment on those, you can probably discuss those directly with examples here.
Where can I find the PM feature?
https://forum.facepunch.com/general/bslsh/The-Grand-Unofficial-Not-So-Private-Private-Message-Substitute-Switchboard/1/
Honestly one of the best threads on the forum right now. I'm glad PMs are public, they're hilarious to read most of the time.
Piracy isn't against the rules anymore though? Like yeah I agree his post was kinda dumb and probably needed a ban for shitposting, but talking about warez isn't against the rules anymore from what I remember of the newpunch transition...
I can't believe we're back to people taking bans super personally again.
Are you talking about ASIC or me? Because tbh I'm asking for rule clarification more than anything. Helps to know what the rules are if you're not intentionally trying to break them.
Do people actually post plain-text messages there for the world to see, or is there any kind of PGP-esque trend? I've never bothered to look in the thread because I can't unmark threads as being read...
To be honest, I don't read it, I just check the post count now and then to know when it's close to closing so I can open a new one. I suppose half of it is people taking the piss out of the idea, because originally it was a joke after all, and maybe by now people actually take it semi-seriously because it's what we have lol. I assume it's all plain-text to boot, which makes it that much funnier in a meta sort of way to me.
Even if it started as joke, I do like it as a way to have specific questions and topics with certain users without specifically going off-topic on other threads. I sorta use it too as a substitute user wall like whenever someone has a neat or clever avatar/background/name combo or just want to directly compliment someone.
Didn't mean to make anyone feel like they're targeted, I just remember that whenever I got banned for something silly it was always better to let it go and avoid repeating whatever I did. I've never gotten banned for having a controversial opinion but I always see people getting riled up and then getting banned for flaming and then claiming they're basically persecuted.
Getting banned for flaming is pretty straightforward. I think you'll have a hard time finding someone who disagrees with a ban like that.
Hey so my dark theme is broken for some reason, anybody know why?
so what you're saying is "talking about piracy is fine as long as you don't link to pirated content" doesn't apply anymore and fuck the guy being dogpiled instead of the people who were focusing on him are the reasons very good
is it awfully dark? if so please post it in either the stylepunch thread or the awfully dark thread trying to cut down on offtopic posts on this thread, hope you understand
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