It’s not get rid of every mod it’s - ask community which mods stay/go
along with replacements as needed.
That is the most non-bias way I can think of
there it was
With the leeway in shitposting some mods have that would get non-mods banned? Hard to keep them in that higher regarded position. Ultimately yes, they are the ones who keep the peace from shitters and make sure people dont go at each others throats, but that should not give them infalliability, they should be subject to the same punishments that anyone else would be if they were to do driveby shitposts, immature responses, shitposting in general, and anything other rule breaking that would get a non-mod banned.
If the community should hold moderators to a higher regarded position, then they should be held to a higher standard, no exceptions to rule breaking, or other infractions that would get a non-mod banned instantly without question.
I've mentioned it to Inacio in less public channels a couple of times before, but I'll post it here too
On KO, I think mods should only have green names when speaking "officially", like "you do that again and you're banned" kind of posting. Prevents another Sosig incident (hopefully) and would have probably slowed down the escalation in this thread quite a bit.
Man, Garry came in here with a few japes about shutting the forum down and now we've got everyone arguing among themselves over the state of Knockout and the trustworthiness of the moderation staff.
Garry is living rent-free in your heads.
This threads first post leads me to believe there actually is an option where fp exists still
What sosig incident? I don’t see any good coming from disguising who’s moderating
Sosig getting demodded for the terrible comments he had and then the mods voting to remod him
"Mods need to stop thinking they're infallible"
"ok sure"
"These mods have fucked up a lot, acted like children on a thread asking for concerns to be addressed, and a good portion of the community have lost trust in them. If the overriding objective of KO is to keep this community going, a good start is to consider who that very community approves of in the current mod team, the same mod team that would subsequently become KO mods, bar some exceptions. Let's not allow mods to prance around willy-nilly and get away with shit the rest of the community would be banned for."
"totally not a coup you guys lmao"
At least be somewhat funny when you shitpost, please.
They were shitposts taken out of context and its in the past
I don’t get how disguising mods can help with that
Wow, wanting the community to vote out people who have been mods for years, some even unwilling to change from the old ways to bring in new moderators that have a fresh perspective on how to moderate the forums and how decisions should be made is a coup, and absolutely not the community growing up with each other over the years and finally seeing that the old ways aren't working out.
@people asking to remove the entire current mod team- replace them with who? Who else is willing to moderate all this bullshit? Is a clean slate with new mods having 0 experience better than the current roster who has flaws but actually wants the job?
Are you really surprised , this is the first hope we’ve seen for fp not dying that’s happened in long while. All Garry has said about KO is he’s okay with the idea if people want to leave fp and go there
how does garry asking "should I shut the forums down now or later" lead you to believe there's a possibility he'll change his mind and start working on them again
like cmon people jesus christ this is pathetic
Hezzy said it himself, mods should be held to a higher regarded position. Your actions define who you are, your "shitposts" and actions were unacceptable to the community, and were demodded, and should not have been remodded without the community being consulted first on being given a second chance.
Sosig said some things that people didn't like (calling people snowflakes or some such), and he was temporarily demodded.
He apologized for it, and most of the moderators wanted him back in simply because he's very good at his job of dealing with Rust players (he's got a lot of knowledge about Rust that most of us don't)
Personally I don't think he meant any harm, and I appreciate all the effort he puts into moderating and helping in the forum and Discord.
I'm a long-time lurker, rare-time poster, and after reading this whole thread it's just yikes all around. Honestly, I enjoy lurking these forums and I'd be sad to see them close. I think development's important, since Newpunch is missing a lot of features and things Oldpunch had, but the most important thing is having a place for the community to talk, and I think Facepunch closing would drive a stake into that. Knockout's a nice alternative and good place to go with active development if FP closes and all, but it's also far from done, and there's clearly bad blood related to it and it's going to be polarizing if people feel like they're being forced or pressured to switch to it. I've felt that way several times when it's come to the way Knockout's been pushed, personally, whether it was intentional or not. I think Facepunch remaining up and active would be for the best all around. It's the forum people are familiar with, and the one everybody is posting on. If it does shut down, then Knockout's fine, by all means. I understand wanting to push Knockout, wanting to get people to move, and wanting to show off and be proud of the work put into it, but I think the way that it's been gone about's caused a rift that's going to be hard to fix. I also don't think anybody's been great at accepting criticism in this thread, or in general, when it comes to the subject. But that's neither here nor there. Point being, I just wanna read your shit, man.
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I have never been too involved in any FP politics or drama but those with more experience enlighten me, has the moderator scene always been this chaotic and a clusterfuck (ok maybe not this much since these are exceptional circumstances but still prone to bickering, arguing and general descent into chaos?) behind the scenes? Because if so, even after what I wrote a few pages back about caring about the forum I think I have to give garry some credit. Again he is a grown ass man with more serious responsibilitites and life now and I cannot imagine having to deal with this kind of crap in my daily life for a forum, no matter how important it once was.
If this is new and only caused because FP is dying and bringing down then well... shit. The back and forth over the last few pages fucking did my head in and in no way shape or form makes me want to be a part of any forum that will continue this crap.
Also to repeat what a lot of people said in this thread: Please stop changing your names for fucks sake.
There are many people who have been with this community for years, many that do not want to see the forums go, those people would be willing to moderate "all this bullshit" they know how the community works from years of being with it, and because they've never been moderators and have not been brought up on whatever "old ways" mods currently follow will allow to bring a fresh take on how things should be done, changes that can be positive. I understand what I'm suggesting is going into the unknown and the unknown is scary, but if we don't give it a chance then we'll never know how well it would work out.
Thanks
That was in the #polidicks channel on the official fp discord before it was deleted. I'll say what i said the last time this was brought up. You made a joke at the expense of a minority group that is present within this community.
The defense of "it was just shitposts" "everyone makes bad posts in private" and all that is worthless
because you were representing the community as a moderator in facepunch's verified discord and if you want to go the shitpost route then that means you were abusing the position you have within the mod team to get away with posts that would have gotten any other gold or blue member banned from. (regardless if they were on the forums or discord anyone else would have been dealt with)
and also just throwing this out here but i'm not really comfortable with telling people to kill themselves or bigotry being put out into the public and then being swept under the rug like "lol well oopsie i didn't have my coffee today guys thats why i said that XD" (lets be honest a discord channel literally any dick and harry can see is public, not private)
It’s not pathetic lol, I’ve been through enough shit on fp to be hopeful. Obviously if fp dies I’ll go to KO. I’m not saying Garry is just gonna start working on the forums again.
My experience has been that, in the Facepunch moderator discord, the most common topic is "should I ban for this", or "what do you think about this post", discussing concerns and controversies, and otherwise random chatter.
I mean, they can call it what they want and argue that they were justified by Garry's inaction - and they may even be right to a degree, but come the fuck on here.
We're talking about muting discussion channels, removing stickies and putting up messages directing everybody over to Knockout for the good of the community.
You might as well have the tanks in the streets restricting access to the city centre and have taken over the radio stations so you can broadcast about how corrupt the present regime is.
If only we had a democratic means of deciding who could serve as moderation staff. We're talking about preserving a community that has lasted for years, I'm sure we could dig up a few fresh faces. The last few moderator elections have had candidates come forward.
Besides, I don't think its necessarily a bad thing to suggest a transition of power if we're talking about moving over to a new forum. Especially considering the discord and dirty laundry being dragged up right now.
just delete fp its not worth the anxiety its giving these poor souls
Flak also said that change was needed or else the community would stagnate and die. That change is not moving to another forums and not changing anything about how the community has been ran up until now, It'll only end up in the same bullshit but under a different flag.
The best solution, in my opinion, would be garry actively continuing development of newpunch.
If that isn't going to happen, shutting down FP and redirecting people to KO is the second option.
I'd rather not see the FP forums alive in a limbo of missing features and random bugs like it is now. It needs further development by garry or straight up replacement by KO.
Right now I'm just watching the situation from the sidelines. I've been on these forums for 15 years and have seen way worse drama happen in the past compared to this thread. All this talk about wiping the entire mod team to start anew is frankly retarded and shows people don't know much about moderation.
Mod elections are a good way to show what the community wants and who the community likes, but the existing mod and admin team should always have the final say.
It's not surprising Sosig was fine afterwards, other mods have done far worse things and never had to be accounted for it.
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