I mostly visit Facepunch during work hours and for some reason Knockout is blocked at work. Either way, I'd much rather Facepunch stay alive than for it to be nuked. The community was already hurt with the new forum move and after this I imagine a large percentage of us will just be lost. Just the thoughts from a long time lurker and resident of FP.
Facepunch: rich history of gnod sex poses
Knockout: no gmod sex poses
I can't see the knockout plan actually working.
There's a few reasons it wouldn't work, and one of the main and most pressing ones is whether or not the group resistant to the idea will actually move over.
There's a shade of reasons people are committed to this website itself. Some people are attached to the long history archived here, some people for the usability, etc. But everyone is attached because of the community, and that is the one aspect that stands to benefit from the move to knockout.
But only if everyone is on board, or at least willing to try.
I again sympathize with every reason people have for not wanting to jump ship to an entirely different website, but I genuinely don't understand what makes it so different to facepunch. It'd be the same users, the same moderators - it looks a little different, but unlike facepunch, that can change, in more interesting ways that we've never seen on this website.
Ultimately, say Garry pulls the plug, and everyone who wants to move over to knockout, finally has to. What does anyone personally stand to benefit from simply not moving as well? I understand that the website is blocked at work for some people, the usability puts other people off, but if this does happen, wouldn't it be better for everyone to give it the ol' fashioned college try?
And if everyone does try it, then the plan can't possibly fail, because we're all already there.
Most including me would have preferred to stay at FP Forums if it was actively being developed.
Clearly your priorities lie elsewhere which is totally fine.
The only thing I can reasonably ask is that you make a clear cut with an end date instead of letting the community at large wither away because of uncertainty and/or inaction.
So everyone has to make their choice if they wanna move with Knockout or not.
Instead of having the sword hanging over our heads never quite knowing if/when you might pull the plug.
I know the Facepunch Community hasn't always been kind to you,
though I would at least appreciate if you get on with it and do the last honours for the Forums.
FP was never the same for me the moment the switch was made from the old style to this new one...
Shut it down you coward.
To be honest the .club domain is probably why it would be blocked for some people.
We also have a .chat domain. The real problem is likely to be that corporate firewalls will block traffic not on port 80 or 443, and our API is running on port 6000 or something.
When we move it to a proper subdomain that will rectify the issue.
And the .chat hasn't behaved like, ever
knockout.chat was the only domain i was even aware of, and it works fine for me
https://knockout.chat
works for me dude
just get it over with
My bad, one of the domains didn't work for a long time. Looks like it's .club that didn't.
I just wanna talk about the other benefits that come from Garry pulling the plug early - a dignified end to this era of the community.
It sounds dramatic, but it isn't nice seeing a community, especially one as long-standing as this, eat itself out from the inside due to stagnation. For a lot of communities it's inevitable and generally not something to worry about, but with Knockout we have the chance to pull the plug early, avoid the stagnation, and keep the community going for however much longer.
Imagine it too - giving Facepunch an official 'end date.' Maybe it could be toward the end of the year, giving everyone time to back up their content, make their peace, prepare for the move. Then, when the day finally comes that FP goes offline, we'd enjoy a night of unprecedented shitposting and bants, and start anew on Knockout the next morning.
I'm probably too invested in this topic to be honest, but I really do only see positives from making the move on our own terms, instead of waiting for users to trickle over.
Well, the Knockpunch or whatever has the same moderation + Reagy. And in my eyes, this makes the moderation even worse than it is now.
Honestly do whatever you want, FP has been going down steadily for some time now and I don't think it'll change with the same set-up of people that run and moderate the site.
Also, overall, you sound quite dramatic in your response, Garry.
I've always had the impression you wanted to at least run a sort of 'developer sandpit' forum, and let go of everything you thought reddit/discord made redundant.
I'm sure its not exactly optimal digesting people posting about anything they've been developing in a fast paced chat or even reddit lol
But you should do what you have to gaz, KO is just hard work to respond to hard shutdown.
it's obvious that larger forums are now dying off and splitting into many microcommunities, with their own forum, Discord and the likes. Staying on FP, and Knockout for that matter is delaying the inevitable. I have seen this exact process happen on other communities, too. It's hard to adjust, but realizing this now will help you prepare for the future. The old guard of forums as we know it are gone.
There's definitely issues with that plan when logging in or registering doesn't work correctly for everyone still. In order to login on Firefox right now I had to login through Vivaldi then copy the localStorage data and cookies over to Firefox manually because login kept failing to complete the last step here. KO is a great start so far but there's definitely some fairly major issues that need to be worked out before that plan is viable.
I think the best course of action would just be developing fp with a touch more communication. I mean no matter how you cut it stuff has already gone south but that don't mean you can't treat it some
I mean granted I don't have a crystal ball but idc thats what I've taken from the last 6 months.
Im not a big fan of Knockout and how its been announced here, I understand the reason but with how it was announced and pushed the one time it basically just prompted exactly what garry put in the first post.
From my limited experience of smaller communities migrating to a new one, this will not really work and just leave two broken ones.
PacificV2 on page 1 hit my thoughts on this matter the best, so if its somehow possible to just fix what the mods are annoyed about and some users then I would rather go with that.
I'm just too used to certain threads and some help FP can offer.
I don't think any of the developers want us to leave beta with the site in its current state. I've got a fortnight off work coming up to help push the essential features through and get our hosting infrastructure in a better place to handle a surge in traffic. So a date would be excellent, a sudden plug pull is going to be chaos.
this x100.
the site works, but there's so much that we'd like to improve upon still. if we get a date we can make sure to prioritize the right things etc
Killing off FP's forums to try and force a move to Knockout is going to prove disastrous. I can say this with absolute confidence because we already did that, more than a year ago with the move to Newpunch. Newpunch was really nothing more than a facelift, same management, same staff, same people. Despite that, we lost a lot of people that day. Killing Facepunch would mean moving over to an entirely different forum. Different people, different staff, different management.
On top of that, you have plenty of people who are fine with the prospect of an FP clone like Knockout, but not Knockout. Between the killing of the FP Discord in its entirety during the forum outage on March 29, which was three hours long in grand total, which involved locking it down entirely and plugging links to Knockout's Discord and website, and leaving it for dead afterwards, followed by the (initial) attempt to hamstring FP by un-stickying the rules in every single subforum. This was quickly undone, but the damage was already dealt, and an image of malice towards FP was the only thing many people could imagine.
So dramatic over a forum.
the world's on fire; we can stop posturing that we don't care about "a forum" that we spend hours of our lives on
I care about the forum.
Migration is going to happen either way. Eventually the forums will break completely, thus fracturing the community, or you decide to shut them down, thus fracturing the community.
You're more or less asking the question here 'how much of the community do I want to move to Knockout'.
Knockout
