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gary I love you like a brother but you are really jerking my dinky with all these ups and downs

If only you had some sort of alternative domain name, like knockout.community wouldn't that be cool I didn't act on my own at all, we had all the moderators on board except for Clovis. We were all involved in Knockout in one way or another for months prior to that. At one point in December we were all in a Discord discussing a successor to the website. Absolute nonsense. You were involved just as much as anybody else. The timescales changed by a couple of days when the website went down.

The fact that were all still FP mods means not everyone jumped ship and there are a few who are not KOC mods at all because they don't want a apart of it. Additionally I'd like to wash my hands and legitimately say I had 0 part in it and this would have been something I'd discourage and would step away from because it would look like a coup and I'm not about that. Sure I think the KO forum system is the way forward for FP as development for this forum has been dead for a long time and yes I am a mod there but I made it damn clear that I'd mod this place till it dies and I know where my loyalty is. Because of where this thread has gone honestly this has put a big dent in trust and influence. This is messy. I don't like how this has gotten messy. I don't want people to think that me as an individual was part of that event.

garry was full aware m8

if there was a coup to force people to move to knockout and the only way that you can get people to move there is to finally shut down facepunch (and it doesn't work anyways), then it speaks volumes about the quality of knockout as a forum

I was never okay with locking down the Discord or removing rules threads in place of Knockout threads. I was okay with putting up a thread saying "Here's what's happening, and what's going to happen in the future" which ended up happening after threads were removed and everything went into chaos.

Heres a good start for change, let the community actually vote in people for moderator, and let the community be able to vote for moderators to be stripped of their rank, when they've done things that are unnaceptable, they should be chosen, and held accountable by the community, I don't trust the moderators to be fair and unbiased when it comes to holding others accountable, the most recent example coming to mind is sosig.exe and the comments hes made, majority mods voted and he remained. The community should have had the final say, and iirc the community was convinced he should be demodded, but he was kept because of the judgement of his fellow moderators, that doesn't inspire trust or confidence in me, and I'm sure others feel the same. This is how you can start change, right now, on these very forums, and even on Knockout when it comes to moving @Flak

make a script that autobans when the word "the" is posted that would be the facepunch way

Just open source the forums with a small team of collaborators approving changes? Mod tools gets fixed. Garry keeps his development sandbox. Everything stays the same.

who are you

I'm sorry we made the wrong impression on some of you. Here's my two cents on the whole thing: In 2018, we all became worried that FP might one day shut down, and the community would disappear. This was due to some comments from Garry about his opinions on running a forum. He later reinforced these concerns, saying a decision would come at the start of 2019 Throughout the first half of 2019, knockout was being developed behind the scenes, the goal being to make a feature complete forum as a contingency plan for if FP was to disappear. But nothing happens for months. No words from Garry. We keep working. One day, FP has a short outage, and Hezzy makes a few rash decisions. Everyone is caught with their pants down, including the main KOC devs and the moderators. Heck, Inacio was on a bus during this, absolutely panicking. There's no doubt we used this opportunity to spread awareness about Knockout. We had noticed that most FP users weren't at all aware of the KOC alternative. If FP disappeared like this, most would just move on, assuming the community disappeared. We hadn't really been planning much when it came to advertising, but everyone just sorta got dragged into this blitzkrieg approach. Closing the FP Discord, unsticking the rule stickies were bad ideas. Sure, more people did hear about Knockout, but there was large disapproval. So we reverted everything, including our assertiveness. We've been quietly continuing work on the website ever since. If Garry isn't interested in running a forum, we are willing to do it. If you don't want to join, you don't have to. But everyone's welcome, and we'll try to improve as much as possible. We are open to all and any criticism. Rip us apart.

I'm willing to ban myself when I've broken a rule from stupidity. I'm more than willing to listen to all suggestions. I personally believed Sosig was being an idiot with his comments, but when there have been comments such as "How's it hangin'" then it's not as bad in comparison. Sosig does good mod work, if he truly believes shit like what he said, more power to him. As long as he acknowledges if he steps out of line again he gets the boot, which he did.

100% agreed with your post, but on this point, it is my understanding that we were all okay with Hezzy's idea of handing the discord over to the FP team, or at least i don't remember anyone being against it. my memory is completely trash though so i could be wrong

calling a transwoman a fag and telling her to kill herself is also pretty low: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/1869fd10-3751-4089-9e75-f34465c157e6/image.png

None of us were staunchly against it. It just kinda happened and we played along until people convinced it's all that it was a bad idea.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/99/913dfd30-b718-46ad-9673-bde8483153a1/ffff.PNG https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/99/aea59dc1-2ea3-4393-8b25-2b70dd9b2a89/mig.PNG Clovis was the only person removed. Everybody was given a day to discuss the specific final migration plans. We had all discussed them earlier and the opportunity to discuss the migration had existed for at least 3 months. To say you were not on board is a complete lie.

I've also given Inacio plenty of shit over this. I'd pull the logs but I just got off work and it's time for me to take a long drive.

Demod Inacio

had i known she was trans i'd have used a different insult; had i know she wasn't just shitposting but was in fact being an intentional asshole like was clarified when a mod contacted them, they'd have been banned straight away. i thought they were just shitposting and played along. next.

I refer to my previous point where the final migration plan was laid out 10 days prior to the actions carried out.

I've said mine about allowing the community to vote who should be mod, and hold those that are already mod accountable, who should be made mod or be removed from one by their actions should not be a decision exclusively made by the same moderators. Moderators should keep the community safe, but in turn they should be voted to a position of power by the very same community, and if their actions are befit for stripping of moderator, then that decision should also be voted by the community, it will keep those that are in power accountable, and allow for a level of transparency.

I'd want for these forums to stay up and running, even if these forums would stay in its current state and wouldn't see any additional development. Although, resuming development would be nice. Whatever happens, I'll be here till the bitter end. Whenever that comes, then I'll probably move over to Knockout.

I suppose its time for me to throw in my two cents. I've been apart of this community for about half of my life, and I'm 28. Over the past 14 years there has been tons of things that have happened here that have been awesome and a fair share that haven't been. I think for most of us, especially long time users, we're seeing this as a forced dissolution of a community. A lot of us have made FP a part of our daily lives, much like mom and dad used to read the paper every morning. I completely understand where Garry is coming from, as a lot has changed as far as social media and communication over the last decade+. How does a relic from the golden age of forums stay relevant at a time where reddit and discord have more or less replaced a vast majority of old forums? Of course there's always hold outs such as something awful, but their relevancy revolves more around a general audience rather than a game specific company. In that sense as the proprietor of the forum what purpose do you have to keep it running other than to appease the user base? Unless there were some way to attract more traffic here than say reddit and offer something that reddit and discord do not then there's no reason to make something that is going to be redundant going forward. To that end I support KO as an alternative, as the relevancy of this forum in the context of which it was originally created for has become redundant so long as it remains confined to that context of being a video game company forum. As KO is not confined to being a video game company forum, but rather a general video game oriented forum, it is not restricted to what it does in order to benefit a company. With that being said I do believe FP still can be relevant moving forward being both beneficial to the company and the community. In my opinion I believe that some crucial opportunities were missed over the last few years that could have helped propel userbase growth and relevancy when it comes to games such as Rust and Gmod. With other games still being in development there will be more opportunities to help grow and expand the forum, as well as integrate it more into FP games as newpunch was originally intended to do. It would also be beneficial to have the forum be a semi-separate entity, as at least in my opinion before Gmod got big enough to be sold FP was more of a general audience forum than a gaming company specific forum. There are still possible directions to take the forum in that would keep it relevant, it just comes down to whether or not its going to be worth it.

For fuck sake.

Agreed, as well as everyone else involved. I have no confidence in the current moderatorship to be able to form unbiased opinions and hold themselves responsible.

Even Garry wasn't that much of a shitposter, yo.

Holy fuck. Are you telling me that everyone short of Clovis was basically 100% A-Okay with what transpired?

Sounds like if we de-mod literally everyone involved, there'd only be one mod (Clovis) left. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Shouldn't have said it in the first place regardless if you knew she was was trans or not

demod all mods on FP who want to be / are mods on knockout - conflict of interests