[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46305996]It just seems like it'd be a massive bitch compared to the kana when you're taking notes and stuff, since they'd take so long and are so technical and specific.[/QUOTE]
no, writing in hiragana is tedious and difficult to read
a single kanji can replace anywhere from 1 to 5 hiragana characters, and while they may seem confusing, once you get used to them you can write them pretty easily, when written people also tend to stylize them to be easier to write (sort-of-cursive-like kanji)
its the difficulty reading thats the worst
my best explanation would be a study some university did, where they rearranged the letters of words while keeping the first and last letters the same
you can siltl unradsetnd the maeinng of tihs sectnnee, rghit?
your brain doesn't individually take in each letter, it sees each word as a whole, takes in the context, and automatically deciphers the sentence even though spelling-wise it's gibberish
its the same with kanji, your brain looks at the overall shape of it and immediately understands its meaning from that and context, not by carefully studying it to see if it's 徹 or 撤
if everything was written in hiragana you'd get shit like
おれのぺにすはめちゃくちゃちいさいんだけど
and in a language with no clear indication of where a word starts/ends, coupled with the fact that their are so many homonyms in japanese, it honestly takes me 3 times longer to read it than if i had just written with kanji
wow i made a serious post
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;46306145]your brain doesn't individually take in each letter, it sees each word as a whole, takes in the context, and automatically deciphers the sentence even though spelling-wise it's gibberish
its the same with kanji, your brain looks at the overall shape of it and immediately understands its meaning from that and context, not by carefully studying it to see if it's 徹 or 撤
if everything was written in hiragana you'd get shit like
おれのぺにすはめちゃくちゃちいさいんだけど
and in a language with no clear indication of where a word starts/ends, coupled with the fact that their are so many homonyms in japanese, it honestly takes me 3 times longer to read it than if i had just written with kanji[/QUOTE]
That's pretty cool, actually.
i didn't know that it worked like that before
cool
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
also sry for no typesetting i had an injection two days ago and my left had is basically unusable and before that i spent few days just lying in bed after taking drugs
[QUOTE=nnanna;46306335]i didn't know that it worked like that before
cool
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
also sry for no typesetting i had an injection two days ago and my left had is basically unusable and before that i spent few days just lying in bed after taking drugs[/QUOTE]
its okay have you seen how much work I've done
I type set nearly 0 pages in the past week and a half
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;46306145]no, writing in hiragana is tedious and difficult to read
a single kanji can replace anywhere from 1 to 5 hiragana characters, and while they may seem confusing, once you get used to them you can write them pretty easily, when written people also tend to stylize them to be easier to write (sort-of-cursive-like kanji)
its the difficulty reading thats the worst
my best explanation would be a study some university did, where they rearranged the letters of words while keeping the first and last letters the same
you can siltl unradsetnd the maeinng of tihs sectnnee, rghit?
your brain doesn't individually take in each letter, it sees each word as a whole, takes in the context, and automatically deciphers the sentence even though spelling-wise it's gibberish
its the same with kanji, your brain looks at the overall shape of it and immediately understands its meaning from that and context, not by carefully studying it to see if it's 徹 or 撤
if everything was written in hiragana you'd get shit like
おれのぺにすはめちゃくちゃちいさいんだけど
and in a language with no clear indication of where a word starts/ends, coupled with the fact that their are so many homonyms in japanese, it honestly takes me 3 times longer to read it than if i had just written with kanji
wow i made a serious post[/QUOTE]
I recall the study, and indeed it works like that, and I suppose that the recognition of kanji comes with knowledge of the kanji, that was never really my question, it just always seemed like it'd take such a long time to write each individual kanji given how many strokes in a particular shape and order each has. I guess, again, when you're used to them writing them must get easier. I suppose it seems insurmountable to me because I've basically, for all intents and purposes, just started on them (light study of kanji since mid-August is basically nothing, given how many there are. I still fuck up on the JLPT N5 kanji, and my vocabulary is horribly lacking, to the point of it basically not existing).
I pity anybody who may ever have to read any handwriting I may ever produce in Japanese. People can barely read my handwritten English.
i will do stuff whenever physically able so i don't disappoint translator-senpai and editor-san
All this talk about bad hand writing and kanji reminds me of when I went to take my drivers license exam, and at the very end before I got my license I had to write my address down on a form
and I'd turned my reference documents in with the paperwork before hand
cue swallowing of pride and 5 year old crayon scribbles of the entire address in hiragana (going 2 lines past the space provided because the hiragana made it so much longer)
literally hitler
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
I'm pretty sure the girl at the counter thought I was like legitimately actually retarded
Aren't addresses in Japan like prefecture-city-district-block-house or something like that?
japanese nest cities are dug into mountains
[QUOTE=Oldaveragejoe;46305929]damn moonrace never learns[/QUOTE]
why do you think they want the southern US?!?!?
damn nipple folk are takin are anime
[QUOTE=Shogoll;46306501]All this talk about bad hand writing and kanji reminds me of when I went to take my drivers license exam, and at the very end before I got my license I had to write my address down on a form
and I'd turned my reference documents in with the paperwork before hand
cue swallowing of pride and 5 year old crayon scribbles of the entire address in hiragana (going 2 lines past the space provided because the hiragana made it so much longer)
literally hitler
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
I'm pretty sure the girl at the counter thought I was like legitimately actually retarded[/QUOTE]
cute
wait a second....
god damn merge bullshit.
i bet those nipplenese did this
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;46305428]Oreimo is not the only poison in this sea of piss.
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
If I remember correctly there's a show about a sister who literally tries to fuck her brother every episode but her family left behind a bunch of other girls to try and keep it from happening.[/QUOTE]
its as shit as it sounds
[QUOTE=Shogoll;46306501]All this talk about bad hand writing and kanji reminds me of when I went to take my drivers license exam, and at the very end before I got my license I had to write my address down on a form
and I'd turned my reference documents in with the paperwork before hand
cue swallowing of pride and 5 year old crayon scribbles of the entire address in hiragana (going 2 lines past the space provided because the hiragana made it so much longer)
literally hitler
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
I'm pretty sure the girl at the counter thought I was like legitimately actually retarded[/QUOTE]
she probably thought you were moe as fuck
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46306536]Aren't addresses in Japan like prefecture-city-district-block-house or something like that?[/QUOTE]
An example address would be like
[quote]〒１５９－２６５３
神奈川県
川崎市
宮前区
幻想空間３丁目１番４号[/quote]
Where 〒１５９－２６５３ is the postal code,
神奈川県/かながわけん/Kanagawa-Ken is Prefecture,
川崎市/かわさきし/Kawasaki-Shi is City,
宮前区/みやまえく/Miyamae-Ku is Ward,
幻想空間/げんそうくうかん/Gensou Kuukan is some form of municipality,
3丁目/ちょうめ/Choume is third district,
１番/ばん/Ban is [del]first street (block?)[/del] block,
４号/ごう/Gou is fourth building.
Generally this is written as 3-1-4.
If the addressed building is an apartment, I believe you add another line with apt number. One of the places I used to live at was a multi-building apartment complex so it would have numbers like 2-345 denoting apartment 345 on building 2.
Honestly though I have no idea how this shit works and the break down in municipalities below a prefectural level make absolutely no sense and are completely made up, cause you get shit like how Tokyo is a special cookie and it's both a prefecture and a city (but not really) at the same time and it contains special wards which are technically cities in their own right, which have district sub divisions, but prefectures also contain sub-prefectures or towns or villages or whatever the fuck, but cities can also contain towns as sub divisions. So basically it doesn't make any sense and I'm P sure you only need the postal code for shit to get anywhere since everyplace ever in Japan has a postal code.
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;46305428]Oreimo is not the only poison in this sea of piss.
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
If I remember correctly there's a show about a sister who literally tries to fuck her brother every episode but her family left behind a bunch of other girls to try and keep it from happening.[/QUOTE]
What? I thought Kiss X Sis was bad.
[QUOTE=Dronaroid;46306847]she probably thought you were moe as fuck[/QUOTE]
well moe is literal retard, which is why we have Raraiya Monday in G Reco
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[QUOTE=Garlickeh;46306145]
if everything was written in hiragana you'd get shit like
おれのぺにすはめちゃくちゃちいさいんだけど
and in a language with no clear indication of where a word starts/ends, coupled with the fact that their are so many homonyms in japanese, it honestly takes me 3 times longer to read it than if i had just written with kanji
wow i made a serious post[/QUOTE]
isn't that basically like if we removed spaces and puncuation from english?
sothatthiscouldbequitehardtoreadsincethelackofspacesandcommasmakesthewordsprettydifficulttomakeoutfromthemashupoflettersanditsmucheasierifyoujustusespacesandthenmixupthelettersinthemiddleoftheword
[QUOTE=Shogoll;46306876]An example address would be like
Where 〒１５９－２６５３ is the postal code,
神奈川県/かながわけん/Kanagawa-Ken is Prefecture,
川崎市/かわさきし/Kawasaki-Shi is City,
宮前区/あさおく/Asao-Ku is Ward,
幻想空間/げんそうくうかん/Gensou Kuukan is some kind of Area,
3丁目/ちょうめ/Choume is third district,
１番/ばん/Ban is first street (block?),
４号/ごう/Gou is fourth building.
Generally this is written as 3-1-4.
If the addressed building is an apartment, I believe you add another line with apt number. One of the places I used to live at was a multi-building apartment complex so it would have numbers like 2-345 denoting apartment 345 on building 2.
Honestly though I have no idea how this shit works and the break down in municipalities below a prefectural level make absolutely no sense and are completely made up, cause you get shit like how Tokyo is a special cookie and it's both a prefecture and a city (but not really) at the same time and it contains special wards which are technically cities in their own right, which have district sub divisions, but prefectures also contain sub-prefectures or towns or villages or whatever the fuck, but cities can also contain towns as sub divisions. So basically it doesn't make any sense and I'm P sure you only need the postal code for shit to get anywhere since everyplace ever in Japan has a postal code.[/QUOTE]
Goddamn. How do people navigate? Is navigation done by street names, and like, that's only for formal documents/mail?
Because here, it's simple
123 Example St.
Toronto, ON, Canada
M5J 2B5
Top Line: House number, followed by street name. Abbreviations, like St. (street), Ave. (avenue), or Rd. (road) are often used instead of the full word. If 123 Example St. is an apartment building, for apartment 101 it could be 123-101 Example St. or 123 Example St. Apt. 101. Every building in an apartment complex will have its own numeric address, so if 123 Example St was in the middle of a complex of 3 apartments, the buildings next to it would be 121 Example St. and 125 Example St. Even numbered buildings are on one side of the street, odd are on the other. You never see an even and odd numbered building on the same side of the street.
Second Line: City, followed by the 2-letter abbreviation for the Province, followed by country. In the US, it would be the 2-letter abbreviation for the state. You can use the full province, like above with the full street, it's just uncommon. The inclusion of the country is only necessary if you're sending mail from out-of-country.
Last Line: Postal Code. In Canada, this is a 6-digit code, made up of 2 sets of 3 digits, separated by a space in the middle. Every postal code follows the same pattern across the whole country, letter-number-letter number-letter-number. A Canadian postal code is often valid for either one apartment/office building, or one side of a street in a residential area with houses. If M5J 2B5 was the postal code for one side of Example St., the other side's may be M5J 2B4. In the US, this'd be the 5-digit zip code, and that's made of 5 numbers, such as 90210. On occasion, I've seen additional numbers appended to these zip codes with a hyphen, but as I don't live in the US, I don't know what they mean. The technical details of postal codes aren't really important anyways, you just need to know it for mailing/shipping things.
Since the address has the street name in it, it's very easy to navigate to on a map or by GPS if you give someone your address. The Japanese address sounds like it'd be much harder to navigate to without being given the street name as well.
IIRC Japanese house numbers aren't even in order, so add that to the clusterfuck it already is.
[QUOTE=Die_Hard;46306952]well moe is literal retard, which is why we have Raraiya Monday in G Reco
[t]http://puu.sh/cmKg6/65e1dd5944.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]she is unbelievably annoying, like really tomino
[QUOTE=kamikaze470;46307074]she is unbelievably annoying, like really tomino[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46307002]Goddamn. How do people navigate? Is navigation done by street names, and like, that's only for formal documents/mail?
Because here, it's simple
123 Example St.
Toronto, ON, Canada
M5J 2B5
Top Line: House number, followed by street name. Abbreviations, like St. (street), Ave. (avenue), or Rd. (road) are often used instead of the full word. If 123 Example St. is an apartment building, for apartment 101 it could be 123-101 Example St. or 123 Example St. Apt. 101. Every building in an apartment complex will have its own numeric address, so if 123 Example St was in the middle of a complex of 3 apartments, the buildings next to it would be 121 Example St. and 125 Example St. Even numbered buildings are on one side of the street, odd are on the other. You never see an even and odd numbered building on the same side of the street.
Second Line: City, followed by the 2-letter abbreviation for the Province, followed by country. In the US, it would be the 2-letter abbreviation for the state. You can use the full province, like above with the full street, it's just uncommon. The inclusion of the country is only necessary if you're sending mail from out-of-country.
Last Line: Postal Code. In Canada, this is a 6-digit code, made up of 2 sets of 3 digits, separated by a space in the middle. Every postal code follows the same pattern across the whole country, letter-number-letter number-letter-number. A Canadian postal code is often valid for either one apartment/office building, or one side of a street in a residential area with houses. If M5J 2B5 was the postal code for one side of Example St., the other side's may be M5J 2B4. In the US, this'd be the 5-digit zip code, and that's made of 5 numbers, such as 90210. On occasion, I've seen additional numbers appended to these zip codes with a hyphen, but as I don't live in the US, I don't know what they mean. The technical details of postal codes aren't really important anyways, you just need to know it for mailing/shipping things.
Since the address has the street name in it, it's very easy to navigate to on a map or by GPS if you give someone your address. The Japanese address sounds like it'd be much harder to navigate to without being given the street name as well.[/QUOTE]
As a correction, the number doesn't indicate street name, it indicates block. So you have a block of buildings surrounded by a road that's referred to by a number, and then the numbering of the buildings inside of that block is based on the order they were built. Majority of streets don't actually have names.
Interesting consequence is that apartments can eliminate building number and just use a block number if they take up an entire block. Then it's like 3丁目-5-yourapartmentnumberhere
[editline]senpai pls[/editline]
I've only ever like manually navigated with an address once tbh. City areas tend to have maps here and there, and car navs had GPS since back before 2001, and smart phone GPS was what I tended to rely on most of the time personally.
The one time I did it was with a friend, and we knew which district we were in, so we looked at the block number listed on the telephone poles/walls until we found the right block, then we just walked around the block until we found the right building. It wasn't all that bad really.
[QUOTE=Shogoll;46307130]As a correction, the number doesn't indicate street name, it indicates block. So you have a block of buildings surrounded by a road that's referred to by a number, and then the numbering of the buildings inside of that block is based on the order they were built[/QUOTE]
Yeah, so if I'm given an address like that, how do I find out where it is? I assume the streets have names (I see you edited, apparently they don't), would you then have to give me the name of the street too (this is now made irrelevant, so as a new question, how do I determine what block I'm on)? Like, if I were to tell someone how to get to 123 Example St, I could tell them "Take Yonge (St.) north until you hit Wilson (Ave.), then turn left. Follow Wilson until you see Example (St.), then turn right onto it, it'll be the little street right after Jane (St.). 123 will be on the right." (often times, the St. or Ave. suffix is left out when giving verbal instructions for directions, especially for major streets, which in Toronto Yonge St., Wilson Ave., and Jane St. are all major streets. Often, if it's a small street off a major street, people will say "It's the street right after -insert intersection important enough to have a traffic light-")
I see you edited your post and answered all of this already.
As a note, if you were to actually follow the above directions, the street you arrive at after Jane on Wilson westbound (which is the direction it goes if you turned left onto it at Yonge) is actually Dallner Rd, there is no real Example St. in Toronto, unfortunately, else I would have posted actual navigation directions to it.
I Am Hero takes a pretty Romero-esque [sp]then lovecraftian[/sp] take on zombies.
[sp]The French part is such a rip off of 21 days later.[/sp]
I was looking up Chrom from Fire Emblem, and Chrome autofilled it to a show called Chrome Shelled Regios. I was curious, so I followed the suggestion and looked it up.
It looked really interesting at first. "In a post-apocalyptic, polluted world overrun with creatures dubbed 'filth monsters', humans are forced to live in moving, sentient cities for protection."
But then it goes on to "Main Character is a high school student who moves to a city where the student council rules everything, and is transferred to the military section so they can utilize his tremendous magic powers. Also, everyone with 2 X chromosomes wants to jump him."
What are some (good) shows with that sort of "humans getting by in hostile or bizarre environments" setting?
[QUOTE=Last or First;46307228]What are some (good) shows with that sort of "humans getting by in hostile or bizarre environments" setting?[/QUOTE]
It's a manga not an anime but The Drifting Classroom
a classic
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When will she break into song
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G RECO
MOBILE SUIITT GUNDAM G RECO!!!
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