[QUOTE=Hakita;46377882]80's and earlier anime is accepted in the 20th century category you knob
i voted for fist of the north star[/QUOTE]
Oh, right, it says 1900, not 1990, I've already done this routine
Normally I'd snip my post but whatever it's 4am I can fuck up all I want
[editline]1st November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;46377893]
The video in the post maybe? Was that not proof enough?[/QUOTE]
I don't think you read my post before that, but that's acceptable because you posted the video in response to my post that I made before you edited the video in, then I edited my post to incorporate my reaction to the video. If the [I]entire show[/I] was like that then of course Hidamari would fall into the definition, but a series of short dream sequences is not representative of the entire show's art style.
[QUOTE=Reds;46377872]dgg you're ducking the request no vote tallying until you convince me that hidamari sketch's art style isn't generic besides the wide[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the show..?
[QUOTE=Reds;46377895]I don't think you read my post properly. If the [I]entire show[/I] was like that then of course Hidamari would fall into the definition, but a series of short dream sequences is not representative of the entire show's art style.[/QUOTE]
The entire show has a lot like that.
Artistic compositions, deliberate use of photographed objects, screen flashes, minimalistic representations of crowds, etc.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;46377909]Did you watch the show..?[/QUOTE]
No. I did not. I have quite plainly stated that I have not many times, and on this page upon asking why dgg was saying it qualified in the first place, no less.
[QUOTE=dgg;46377920]The entire show has a lot like that.
Artistic compositions, deliberate use of photographed objects, screen flashes, [B]minimalistic representations of crowds[/B], etc.[/QUOTE]
That is actually one thing I don't like about Shaft.
It makes everything look dead.
[QUOTE=maxumym;46377935]That is actually one thing I don't like about Shaft.
It makes everything look dead.[/QUOTE]
it's a part of the overarching Shaftverse plotline, duhh, didn't you get the memo???
It worked in their favor for that one meduca episode
[QUOTE=dgg;46377920]The entire show has a lot like that.
Artistic compositions, deliberate use of photographed objects, screen flashes, minimalistic representations of crowds, etc.[/QUOTE]
That's all you needed to say.
My initial criteria, keep in mind I haven't seen more than the briefest of it in motion, for a show to have a "unique" art style tends to be the initial look, when you can grab a random screencap and it is
So while you might go "uh yeah it was unique" there wasn't really any way for me to tell compared to something blatantly different like, the rest of Shaft's stuff, Mononoke/Kaiba/Ping Pong-style radically different art styles, that sort of thing.
He's still never gonna watch it though. I know that much.
in order to not flood that category with shaft shows it should just have a unified entry for all Shaft animes
[QUOTE=maxumym;46377935]That is actually one thing I don't like about Shaft.
It makes everything look dead.[/QUOTE]
It certainly fit the mood in Bakemonogatari, the feeling that there's just nothing out there besides these characters.
Usually the grey or minimalistic or entire lack of presentation of crowds is meant to put emphasis on or provide direct visual representation of the fact that really nothing outside of the named characters and the cast matters.
I think it was Durarara that had grey crowds, but if any nameless character interacted with the main characters in any way, they became coloured in.
all of shaft's personnel are just completely unaware that there is an entire society of humans right outside the offices, which is why the studio is so eccentric
the magic of one-way mirrors, kids
[QUOTE=Adnap;46126566]Voting Chart 2013 - Adnap Efoidrog ILY III
[b]Drama[/b]
2. [url=http://myanimelist.net/anime/22135/Ping_Pong_The_Animation]Ping Pong The Animation[/url][/QUOTE]
I understand why you voted it as drama, but all in all it's a show about growing up and sports.
There isn't actually any television drama in Ping Pong, the obstacles they face doesn't come from others, but rather themselves.
Since neither ANN nor MAL classifies Ping Pong as drama and I generally agree with that decision I ask you to vote for something else in drama. It is a coming of age sports show.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378047]I understand why you voted it as drama, but all in all it's a show about growing up and sports.
There isn't actually any television drama in Ping Pong, the obstacles they face doesn't come from others, but rather themselves.
Since neither ANN nor MAL classifies Ping Pong as drama and I generally agree with that decision I ask you to vote for something else in drama.[/QUOTE]
What you just described is called character drama. Ping Pong isn't [I]really[/I] about sports. What's actually happening in the matches is irrelevant other than the broad strokes which are still used to show the characters. To list short examples Peco can't hit slow, high, lame moves because he goes big or goes home and has no patience or flexibility. He's childish and is a showoff and that is shown in his style. Smile is cold, hard, methodical, and brutal because he's a robot. Wenge is all desperation. Kazama is visually depicted as a goddamn monster which again comes down to his personality. The moves being made directly represent the personalities and state of the players. How many times did it just show a couple turns then cut to them being at the end of the game? The games were usually over quickly too.
Ping Pong is a character drama. I don't know what else to call it other than a character drama or a character study with the premise of being built around ping pong.
[QUOTE=dgg;46377452]5cm wouldn't because it's a movie. [B]MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA[/B]
(yeah it might be an exception to the movie rule)
Also that's the point. It's just for different or pretty experiences. When you just want to watch something that's different or unique for the sake of being different or unique, not necessarily good.[/QUOTE]
I'd say Mind Game would fit it pretty well too.
ping pong is actually a psychological supernatural romance anime
[QUOTE=Reds;46378082]What you just described is called character drama. Ping Pong isn't [I]really[/I] about sports. What's actually happening in the matches is irrelevant other than the broad strokes which are still used to show the characters. Peco can't hit slow, high, lame moves because he goes big or goes home and has no patience or flexibility. Smile is cold, hard, methodical, and brutal because he's a robot. Kazama is visually depicted as a goddamn monster which again comes down to his personality. The moves being made directly represent the personalities and state of the players.
Ping Pong is a character drama. I don't know what else to call it other than a character drama or a character study with the premise of being built around ping pong.[/QUOTE]
What you just described is Sports.
Sports shows are not actually about the sport themselves, but the characters.
Sports shows is what "Competetive" is for.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378106]Sports shows are not actually about the sport[/QUOTE]
oh ok
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378131]oh ok[/QUOTE]
You don't watch Chihayafuru because of karuta.
You don't watch Ping Pong because of ping pong.
You don't watch Hajime no Ippo because of boxing.
etc
You watch it to follow the people and their journey in striving to become better and/or find themselves.
Give me a sports shows that is just watching people play sports and nothing else, nothing following any particular characters, not knowing anything about their life stories, not learn about their strengths and weaknesses, their path to the championships or anything, then I'll give it to you that it would be a show that is about the sport.
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378131]oh ok[/QUOTE]
You fool, that's not what he said! He said [insert five pages of arguing over what dgg said here.]
At leats I can admit that the paragraphs I had typed up in response to dgg's post do fuck-all to help prove my point because my comparison with another sports show makes it sound identical on paper.
I can't just go "you gotta read the words that aren't there" and pretend that's a reasonable post.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378151]You don't watch Chihayafuru because of Karuta.
You don't watch Ping Pong because of ping pong.
You don't watch Hajime no Ippo because of boxing.
etc
You watch it to follow the people and their journey in striving to become better and/or find themselves.[/QUOTE]
doesn't that make the competitive category obselete then
you're only allowed to vote for an anime in a category you watched it for
if you dont watch any sports anime for the sports, then wouldn't that make it impossible to vote for sports anime without it going against the rules
seriously tho, ping pong is pretty drama man
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378179]doesn't that make the competitive category obselete then
you're only allowed to vote for an anime in a category you watched it for
if you dont watch any sports anime for the sports, then wouldn't that make it impossible to vote for sports anime without it going against the rules
seriously tho, ping pong is pretty drama man[/QUOTE]
You're only allowed to vote for an anime in a category [B]you would recommend it for[/B]. (it also actually has to be classified within that category)
I watched Chihayafuru for the competetive elements, watching the characters struggle to get better, getting through the highs and lows of their road to becoming the best at karuta.
I watched Ping Pong for the people trying to figure out what to do with their life, pursuing the sport or giving up, and their road to getting to that decision.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378202]I watched Ping Pong for the people trying to figure out what to do with their life[/QUOTE]
that sure sounds like some drama brewing up right there huh
[QUOTE=dgg;46378151]
You don't watch Hajime no Ippo because of boxing.
etc
You watch it to follow the people and their journey in striving to become better and/or find themselves.[/QUOTE]
YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD THIS WAS THE CRUX OF THOSE PARAGRAPHS I WAS TALKING ABOUT I GET TO USE THEM AFTER ALL
I watch Hajime no Ippo because I want to watch a guy box. Why the fuck would you watch Hajime no Ippo if you didn't want to watch a guy box? Ippo has nothing to his life other than how he wants to box and how he wants to continue his career. The fights are step-by-step and go for three episodes on average. 98% of the show besides the fights is Ippo goofing around with his friends and training. Other than one arc where they address it, Ippo has no life or aspirations outside of boxing and the next fight coming up. Everything Ippo and the characters of the show other than his opponent's personal lives and reasons for why they box, are about boxing. This is a sports anime through and through.
Ping Pong is not a show that shows us more than snippets of how the players train and play. Fights in Ippo are a step-by-step tactical affair. Ping Pong's games are like a direct representation of the player's personality, as I said before. People's lives may be ping pong-centric, but the sport itself is not the focus. Peco's immaturity, Smile's cold and withdrawn friendless and lack of any enjoyment or passion in anything he does, Wenge's desperation to claw his way back into what he had built his life around that had fallen to pieces around him, Kazuma's whole deal that I don't want to get into since he's a late arrival, that's what I watch it for.
You picked a real shitty example to compare it to.
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378216]that sure sounds like some drama brewing up right there huh[/QUOTE]
Sure sounds like drama that is a trademark of anyone trying to make a career within sports.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378226]Sure sounds like drama that is a trademark of anyone trying to make a career within sports.[/QUOTE]
sure sounds like drama that is a trademark of the drama genre
Ok, I'm gonna lay it on you, get ready.
What if.......................
you can have sports
and drama
IN THE SAME SHOW
HOLY SHIT GUYS
[editline]1st November 2014[/editline]
Sports is about the sports. Drama is about the drama. Sports-based drama is still drama.
[editline]1st November 2014[/editline]
Fast Anime is the number one drama of the season
[QUOTE=Reds;46378218]YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD THIS WAS THE CRUX OF THOSE PARAGRAPHS I WAS TALKING ABOUT I GET TO USE THEM AFTER ALL
I watch Hajime no Ippo because I want to watch a guy box. Why the fuck would you watch Hajime no Ippo if you didn't want to watch a guy box? Ippo has nothing to his life other than how he wants to box and how he wants to continue his career. The fights are step-by-step and go for three episodes on average. 98% of the show besides the fights is Ippo goofing around with his friends and training. Other than one arc where they address it, Ippo has no life or aspirations outside of boxing and the next fight coming up. Everything Ippo and the characters of the show other than his opponent's personal lives and reasons for why they box, are about boxing. This is a sports anime through and through.
Ping Pong is not a show that shows us more than snippets of how the players train and play. Fights in Ippo are a step-by-step tactical affair. Ping Pong's games are like a direct representation of the player's personality, as I said before. People's lives may be ping pong-centric, but the sport itself is not the focus. Peco's immaturity, Smile's cold and withdrawn friendless and lack of any enjoyment or passion in anything he does, Wenge's desperation to claw his way back into what he had built his life around that had fallen to pieces around him, Kazuma's whole deal that I don't want to get into since he's a late arrival, that's what I watch it for.
You picked a real shitty example to compare it to.[/QUOTE]
I haven't watched Hajime no Ippo, I just know it's also a lot about the character and not just boxing itself.
Like you're bringing up, his only care in life is boxing. It's a show about watching a person pursue his dream and trying to get to his goal, one fight at the time. It's about the character, not about the boxing.
Take Ippo out of the show and replace him with random characters, what do you have now? Just a bunch of people you can't relate to that are boxing. Whoop de doo, who cares?
Hajime no Ippo is about Ippo and his boxing career. It's not about boxing, it's about Ippo Boxing.
[QUOTE=Reds;46378245]Sports is about the sports.[/QUOTE]
uhh dude..??
[QUOTE=dgg;46378106]Sports shows are not actually about the sport[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Reds;46378245]Ok, I'm gonna lay it on you, get ready.
What if.......................
you can have sports
and drama
IN THE SAME SHOW
HOLY SHIT GUYS
[editline]1st November 2014[/editline]
Sports is about the sports. Drama is about the drama. Sports-based drama is still drama.
[editline]1st November 2014[/editline]
Fast Anime is the number one drama of the season[/QUOTE]
Sports without drama doesn't make a show.
If you had no drama in a sports show it would simply just be sports, the kind of shit you see when channel surfing. People just playing sports, nothing more, nothing less.
Sports are character dramas no matter what because it's the only way you can make a proper story out of them.
Sports = character dramas.
Dramas =/= sports.
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