[QUOTE=dgg;46378270]I haven't watched Hajime no Ippo, I just know it's also a lot about the character and not just boxing itself.
Like you're bringing up, his only care in life is boxing. It's a show about watching a person pursue his dream and trying to get to his goal, one fight at the time. It's about the character, not about the boxing.
Take Ippo out of the show and replace him with random characters, what do you have now? Just a bunch of people you can't relate to that are boxing. Whoop de doo, who cares?
Hajime no Ippo is about Ippo and his boxing career. It's not about boxing, it's about Ippo Boxing.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Ippo boxing is right, the Ippo and the boxing are one and the same. And it's absolutely nothing like Ping Pong in the slightest. Putting Hajime no Ippo and Ping Pong on the same level doesn't work.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378283]Sports = character dramas.[/QUOTE]
wouldn't you consider
a character drama
to count in the drama category..?
I watched Saki for the yuri, not the Mahjong. After there wasn't really any I stayed for the Mahjong, not knowing anything about it.
[QUOTE=Reds;46378287]Yep. Ippo boxing is right, the Ippo and the boxing are one and the same. And it's absolutely nothing like Ping Pong in the slightest. Putting Hajime no Ippo and Ping Pong on the same level doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Putting Hajime no Ippo and Ping Pong (sports) on the same level works the same way putting Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Black Lagoon (action) on the same level works.
They both share the same classification.
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378296]wouldn't you consider
a character drama
to count in the drama category..?[/QUOTE]
No, because drama is about television drama. Drama that comes from people interacting with people.
Not from people interacting with themselves.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378283]Sports without drama doesn't make a show.
If you had no drama in a sports show it would simply just be sports, the kind of shit you see when channel surfing. People just playing sports, nothing more, nothing less.
Sports are character dramas no matter what because it's the only way you can make a proper story out of them.
Sports = character dramas.
Dramas =/= sports.[/QUOTE]
Are we shifting the entire goddamn definition of sports anime to make sports and character drama one and the same now so that you can put Ping Pong and sports anime in general under the same umbrella
Fuck sleep I need to see this through to the end
does a sports anime have to be about sports
[QUOTE=Max;46378301]does a sports anime have to be about sports[/QUOTE]
As far as I can gather from dgg, absolutely and not at all.
If they made an anime about NASCAR, would that be a sports anime?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46378308]If they made an anime about NASCAR, would that be a sports anime?[/QUOTE]
Racing is s sport, isn't it?
Also they totally already did that, I just can't remember the name.
What if I'm recommending a sports show because the sports part of it is genuinely fun to watch?
[QUOTE=maxumym;46378323]What if I'm recommending a sports show because the sports part of it is genuinely fun to watch?[/QUOTE]
Then you're recommending somebody a drama. Why would you recommend a drama when you should be recommending a sports show?
[QUOTE=maxumym;46378323]What if I'm recommending a sports show because the sports part of it is genuinely fun to watch?[/QUOTE]
then you put it in the fantasy category obviously
because something like that is just an unrealistic fantasy
[QUOTE=Reds;46378300]Are we shifting the entire goddamn definition of sports anime to make sports and character drama one and the same now so that you can put Ping Pong and sports anime in general under the same umbrella
Fuck sleep I need to see this through to the end[/QUOTE]
I'm not shifting the genre at all.
Sports is a classification about shows that follows characters and their sports careers. Inherent to the sports is character driven drama because otherwise there would be no story to tell, nothing to interest the viewer. We need to follow a person or a group of people and learn to know them and follow them in their struggles in the world of sports.
The struggles of their choice of pursuing a sport is what the sports genre is all about.
On top of that our category is called "competetive", not sports, so it is a much larger umbrella than just sports.
Under your definition at the end of the day, Ping Pong still falls under drama by your own admission. By your criteria, it can be placed in either competitive or drama.
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I think I just made a really repetitive post there.
[QUOTE=Reds;46378345]Under your definition at the end of the day, Ping Pong still falls under drama by your own admission. By your criteria, it can be placed in either competitive or drama.[/QUOTE]
It's not a drama because it's all character-driven drama that results from their decision of pursuing sports.
The drama comes from the fact that it is a sports show. It's not drama unrelated to their career choice.
And again neither MAL nor ANN classifies it as drama, one of the easiest labels to be given on either site.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378357]It's not a drama because it's all character-driven drama that results from their decision of pursuing sports.
The drama comes from the fact that it is a sports show. It's not drama unrelated to their career choice.[/QUOTE]
so unless the characters are unemployed the anime can't be voted for in the drama category gotcha
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378363]so unless the characters are unemployed the anime can't be voted for in the drama category gotcha[/QUOTE]
You are very funny.
If there was drama that came from outside their choice of pursuing sports, then it could have been drama.
But all the drama is caused by the sport. The drama is inherent to the fact that it is about a sport. The sports genre itself caused the drama because otherwise it wouldn't have been a sports show.
Ok, I think we've looped around.
I think that the competitive part of Ping Pong is largely irrelevant and not a hugely driving part of the show's focus even if that sound self-contradictory with how it's everybody's primary motivation, therefore I place it in drama.
I could not have said this in a shittier way if I tried.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378369]You are very funny.
If there was drama that came from outside their choice of pursuing sports, then it could have been drama.
But all the drama is caused by the sport.[/QUOTE]
thanks i try my best
but srsly i dont get your argument the drama comes from the sport therefore it's not drama??
it's drama regardless of where it comes from so it counts as drama if the drama is the focus and according to you the drama is the focus in sports anime so sports anime that have drama in the focus also count as drama anime
are e-sports in the sports category
i want my fighting game championship anime
Quick question, are my excessively sleep deprived posts still more coherent than dgg's carefully written ones
hello three things now that i'm on my break period again
1) dgg can you pls put mushishi in my laid back category for me, i'll edit it in like 3 hours but just in case you tally mine before then. i don't think it'll make much of a difference since i don't think anybody else put it in laid back? but still tia
2) definition of "sports" anime according to anidb
[img]http://i.imgur.com/z3NATAM.jpg[/img]
3) for the artistic category, you said to not deal with specifics until the next vote but i might forget this thought by then so: are we specifically talking about only the art (quality, animation, directing), or also including artistic/unconventional storytelling?
Like haibane renmei has great animation, the art is beautifully realistic, nothing it does in that regard is outstandingly artistic. However it's ability to touch upon every facet of "life" from beginning to end in just 12 episodes is pretty artistically amazing.
likewise shinsekai yori has pretty bad quality art/animation, but it's masterfully directed throughout (excluding ep 10).
[QUOTE=Reds;46378398]Quick question, are my excessively sleep deprived posts still more coherent than dgg's carefully written ones[/QUOTE]
you're both pretty garbage to be honest
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378379]thanks i try my best
but srsly i dont get your argument the drama comes from the sport therefore it's not drama??
it's drama regardless of where it comes from so it counts as drama if the drama is the focus and according to you the drama is the focus in sports anime so sports anime that have drama in the focus also count as drama anime[/QUOTE]
The drama [B]only[/B] comes from the fact that it is a sports show. It's drama that is directly tied to the genre.
It's not drama that stands on it's own two feet, it's not drama that is caused by others, it's not drama that has developed from poor life decisions, it's not drama that arised from family problems or anything.
It's drama that comes from pursuing a sports career. It's drama that reflects the hardships and problems you can end up with when trying to take a career in sports. It's just a natural side-effect of sports.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378412]The drama [B]only[/B] comes from the fact that it is a sports show. It's drama that is directly tied to the genre.
It's not drama that stands on it's own two feet, it's not drama that is caused by others, it's not drama that has developed from poor life decisions, it's not drama that arised from family problems or anything.
It's drama that comes from pursuing a sports career. It's drama that reflects the hardships and problems you can end up with when trying to take a career in sports.[/QUOTE]
ok but it's still drama and drama is what drama is about so it counts as drama :)
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378379]thanks i try my best
but srsly i dont get your argument the drama comes from the sport therefore it's not drama??
it's drama regardless of where it comes from so it counts as drama if the drama is the focus and according to you the drama is the focus in sports anime so sports anime that have drama in the focus also count as drama anime[/QUOTE]
if there's a more specific category that an anime fits into
that has a parent category in the OP
then you should put it in the specific one
that's why we don't put every supernatural anime into fantasy even though supernatural is a subcategory of fantasy
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378419]ok but it's still drama and drama is what drama is about so it counts as drama :)[/QUOTE]
Do you want me to slap your face? :smile:
The real lesson we all learned from this is that you should all just watch more fantasy anime instead, and that dgg shouldn't be allowed to talk until he stops being a pleb who didn't fill out his mecha votes.
[QUOTE=dgg;46378430]Do you want me to slap your face? :smile:[/QUOTE]
does that count as drama or drama caused by the sport of anime (which btw isn't drama because it's sports)
[QUOTE=Reds;46378440]The real lesson we all learned from this is that you should all just watch more fantasy anime instead, and that dgg shouldn't be allowed to talk until he stops being a pleb who didn't fill out his mecha votes.[/QUOTE]
I didn't put anything in mecha because in retrospect there is nothing I would recommend on the basis of mechas.
[QUOTE=Hakita;46378443]does that count as drama or drama caused by the sport of anime (which btw isn't drama because it's sports)[/QUOTE]
Do you visit 4chan a lot?
Because right now you're like a clone of one of my friends.
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