[QUOTE=nnanna;46406668]dgg pls calm down[/QUOTE]
I am calm. Reds is the one losing his shit. :)
passive aggressive smiley faces never mean anything even close to calm
[QUOTE=nnanna;46406683]passive aggressive smiley faces never mean anything even close to calm[/QUOTE]
It means I'm having fun.
ddggsdg pls respond
dgg has convinced me, there is no need for both a drama and a sports tag
gj dgg u always manage to convince me you are good at arguments
[QUOTE=dgg;46406673]I am calm. Reds is the one losing his shit. :)[/QUOTE]
I'm not losing my shit, I'm just frustrated. Frustrated at a dumb argument that is self-defeating and endlessly hypocritical. This is like the forum equivalent of groaning and going "everybody get a load of this palooka". I can't just go "that's stupid, you're stupid" like I could in person and get my point across. Still not done with my response, give me a minute.
[QUOTE=Reds;46406707]I'm not losing my shit, I'm just frustrated. Frustrated at a dumb argument that is self-defeating and endlessly hypocritical. This is like the forum equivalent of groaning and going "everybody get a load of this palooka". I can't just go "that's stupid, you're stupid" like I could in person and get my point across. Still not done with my response, give me a minute.[/QUOTE]
Let me just properly respond to this:
[quote]Sports = drama. Sports needs drama to live. Therefore by this logic drama is the dominant half. But sports invalidates being counted as drama despite every single part of your argument stating that sports is drama. Your argument is fundamentally fucking broken on so many levels it's pathetic to watch and I could spend years telling you why over and over and fucking over and you cannot seem to comprehend why.[/quote]
Sports needs drama to live, because sports are sportsdramas. By this logic sports is a specific subgenre of drama that is used to replace the classification of drama.
Every single part of my argument is acknowledging Ping Pong as a drama, heavily, but as a sportsdrama, not simply just a drama. It's a subgenre that exists specifically to describe what kind of drama it is, as a replacement for just "drama".
It's a genre that we have in the OP and is meant to be used. A show that only contains sportsdrama, which Ping Pong does, is a sports show. The sports genre exists to replace drama.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406648]A show can be both a drama and a sports show at the same time.
It would require the show to have drama that exists independent of the sports.[/QUOTE]
Ok ok ok ok ok ok ok okay. Let's loop back around to what I was just saying.
Again, sports and drama are the same thing. Sportsdrama. Nobody is contesting that. Okay? Big part here. [I][B]NOBODY IS CONTESTING THAT SPORTS MAKES IT DRAMA AND SPORTS REQUIRES DRAMA.[/B][/I]
Now, I wanted to make a comparison to another show but in the sci-fi genre, but you've singled out sports and drama as a special case for some reason so I have to leave that out. Double standards ahoy.
This is in the voting part. Let's ignore everything else for the sake of what I'm about to say and get back to the core of the issue. The categories. Not the genres, the categories of the OP.
You've yet to give me a reason for why Ping Pong is not valid as a vote for drama beyond "being competitive means you aren't allowed to cross-nominate". You are making a ridiculous double-standard for one category. Your own argument's crux means that it should be equally valid in drama and competitive. I believe that you can vote in either one. But I want it in drama. That's what I watched it for. I believe it fits drama better than competitive in my personal opinion. You've singled out this specific category and decided that for some reason this is the one that is mutually exclusive to this other specific genre.
Convince me why it should be only allowed in competitive. Ignore everything else and focus on this.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
And here's the thing: competitive covers competitive things. Competitive does not mean sportsdrama. It [I]includes[/I] sportsdrama.
clannad best sportsdrama
[QUOTE=nnanna;46406762]clannad best sportsdrama[/QUOTE]
well i mean there was that basketball thing in episode 2 i think it counts as sportsdrama??
exactly my point
Something that's in a subgenre is in its supergenre too.
Psychological horror is a subset of horror but it's still horror.
Pingpong belongs in the sports category anyway, it's drama too, but it's much more primarily sports
id rathr have dggs new system than let clannaids be in the top of evry fukin category again
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Pingpong belongs in the sports category anyway, it's drama too, but it's much more primarily sports[/QUOTE]
Do I have to repeat my point where I say that Ping Pong is 90% characters 10% actual ping pong? If not less? What's going on in the games doesn't matter because it's just a visual representation of the character's personalities and emotions projected onto ping pong, while you'd expect most sports anime to have an actual focus on the process of the sport they're playing. Most of the character drama needs the sport of ping pong as the central factor but playing the game itself is largely irrelevant as a focus.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
That's the gist of it anyway. Don't want to write another essay explaining it again.
Dgg, I may have put Ping Pong in competitive but I still think you're wrong.
I'll take two of my competitive votes to explain why the drama is fundamentally different, Ping Pong and Chihayafuru.
Chihayafuru's drama is mostly "I want to win! oh no I'm not good enough!" where Ping Pong's is more like "My self worth is equivalent to my skill in this game", Chihayafuru revolves around the main characters trying to win in their sport, but in ping pong winning was barely important most of the time and COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the end.
Ping Pong's drama could literally exist with any setting so long as the setting revolves around a skill, it could be about pastry chefs and would still mostly work, the sport is irrelevant and a metaphor for the characters most of the time, chihayafuru is ABOUT Karuta, the drama in chihayafuru is either something that can be in any drama, or exclusively about karuta.
Ping pong's drama is entirely tied to ping pong because THAT IS THE SHOW'S THEME, of course you can't take it out and expert the show to survive, that's literally the most retarded argument ever.
and saying it can't be a drama because it's a sports drama is like saying a mecha show can't be voted for sci-fi cause it has mecha.
[QUOTE=Reds;46406750]Ok ok ok ok ok ok ok okay. Let's loop back around to what I was just saying.
Again, sports and drama are the same thing. Sportsdrama. Nobody is contesting that. Okay? Big part here. [I][B]NOBODY IS CONTESTING THAT SPORTS MAKES IT DRAMA AND SPORTS REQUIRES DRAMA.[/B][/I]
Now, I wanted to make a comparison to another show but in the sci-fi genre, but you've singled out sports and drama as a special case for some reason so I have to leave that out. Double standards ahoy.
This is in the voting part. Let's ignore everything else for the sake of what I'm about to say and get back to the core of the issue. The categories. Not the genres, the categories of the OP.
You've yet to give me a reason for why Ping Pong is not valid as a vote for drama beyond "being competitive means you aren't allowed to cross-nominate". You are making a ridiculous double-standard for one category. Your own argument's crux means that it should be equally valid in drama and competitive. I believe that you can vote in either one. But I want it in drama. That's what I watched it for. I believe it fits drama better than competitive in my personal opinion. You've singled out this specific category and decided that for some reason this is the one that is mutually exclusive to this other specific genre.
Convince me why it should be only allowed in competitive. Ignore everything else and focus on this.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
And here's the thing: competitive covers competitive things. Competitive does not mean sportsdrama. It [I]includes[/I] sportsdrama.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, nobody is at all contesting that a sportsdrama requires drama.
Sci-fi is first and foremost a setting, you could make Cowboy Bebop on earth in current time and retain most if not all of the story. Instead of traveling to planets you travel to countries. Whilst you would have to change a lot, sci-fi isn't a requirement to telling the stories they do, it's just easier that way. It's not a genre that defines the story, it's a genre that tends to have certain stories.
Sports restricts stories, because they have to deal with the sports and how the characters handle them. Just like action, drama and romance all have such a huge restriction and influence on stories that if you removed them, you would also remove the story of the show.
I also do not understand why you can't make a comparision with another show in the sci-fi genre. Sports and drama is being singled out "as a special case" because we're arguing about whether or not Ping Pong should fit into both or only sports. There is no double-standard there, you're just restricting yourself based on some out-of-thin-air assumption.
Being competetive certainly allows for cross-nomination and I have certainly never said anything else, this is your baseless assumption going again. Why would I then allow Kaiji to be voted under as competetive, psychological and thriller?
I watched Ping Pong for the drama as well, but it's the kind of drama you can find in a sportsdrama, it's the kind of drama that came from the sports. I am sorry that you don't like Ping Pong being thrown into the "competetive" umbrella term rather than under "sports" or "drama", but it is a pure sportsdrama. Allowing Ping Pong to be labeled as drama when it's a subgenre of drama called sports which is covered under the name "competetive" would be the double-standard thing to do.
You want me to treat Supernatural and Fantasy as two seperate things, but treat Sports and Drama as the same. That if a show is a sports show it should also automatically be a drama.
Your point of view of the sportsdrama is simply too narrow, you focus too much on it being sports and too little about it being about characters.
I think your argument about "competetive" including sportsdrama is a good one, and I certainly see where you're going with that, but it doesn't change the fact that it's the classification where sportsdramas go. If Ping Pong was more than just a sportsdrama, if it had drama that came from outside the sport, that was relevant to their life or the life of others, then it could have been both a drama and a sportsdrama. But Ping Pong is only a sportsdrama, it has only drama that originates and is created by the sport.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406865]
You want me to treat Supernatural and Fantasy as two seperate things, but treat Sports and Drama as the same. That if a show is a sports show it should also automatically be a drama.
Your point of view of the sportsdrama is simply too narrow, you focus too much on it being sports and too little about it being about characters.[/QUOTE]
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what universe are you living in, what possible timeline could you be in that [I]that[/I] was the conclusion you reached after everything I said.
I'm gonna let you in on a secret. [I]what you just criticised me for has been the bulk of what i have been saying you have been doing
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For fuck's sake, you aren't allowed to flip the chess board around and pretend that you've been playing the other side the whole time.
Honestly, the drama category is probably more saturated than the sports category.
Assuming the OP is using the 3 pics + "also check out:" links per category format, we could throw Ping Pong into the sports category so it would have a prominent place in the OP while allowing other good dramas to be in the spotlight.
For extra assurance, add a Ping Pong link in the drama category under "also check out" for the sake of redundacy.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46406859]Dgg, I may have put Ping Pong in competitive but I still think you're wrong.
I'll take two of my competitive votes to explain why the drama is fundamentally different, Ping Pong and Chihayafuru.
Chihayafuru's drama is mostly "I want to win! oh no I'm not good enough!" where Ping Pong's is more like "My self worth is equivalent to my skill in this game", Chihayafuru revolves around the main characters trying to win in their sport, but in ping pong winning was barely important most of the time and COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the end.
Ping Pong's drama could literally exist with any setting so long as the setting revolves around a skill, it could be about pastry chefs and would still mostly work, the sport is irrelevant and a metaphor for the characters most of the time, chihayafuru is ABOUT Karuta, the drama in chihayafuru is either something that can be in any drama, or exclusively about karuta.
Ping pong's drama is entirely tied to ping pong because THAT IS THE SHOW'S THEME, of course you can't take it out and expert the show to survive, that's literally the most retarded argument ever.
and saying it can't be a drama because it's a sports drama is like saying a mecha show can't be voted for sci-fi cause it has mecha.[/QUOTE]
Chihayafuru has drama going on between the characters that are not reflective of their interest in the sport. There is a love drama going between the three main characters. That's why Chihayafuru is both a sportsdrama and a drama.
The love drama in Chihayafuru could exist if they were all NEETS. The character-drama could only exist with a sport.
Ping Pong's drama can only exist with a sport. It doesn't have any drama that is not directly tied and connected to the sport, that's why it's a sportsdrama.
[editline]4th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mastermind of42;46406888]Honestly, the drama category is probably more saturated than the sports category.
Assuming the OP is using the 3 pics + "also check out:" links per category format, we could throw Ping Pong into the sports category so it would have a prominent place in the OP while allowing other good dramas to be in the spotlight.
For extra assurance, add a Ping Pong link in the drama category under "also check out" for the sake of redundacy.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this is relevant to anything.
And if you are still insecure about under representing Ping Pong as a drama, bold the link text in the drama category.
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Sports is a category who's sole purpose is to differentiate drama from sportsdrama.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406865]
You want me to treat Supernatural and Fantasy as two seperate things, but treat Sports and Drama as the same. [B]That if a show is a sports show it should also automatically be a drama.[/B]
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if a show is a sports drama it is by DEFINITION a drama, but again, ping pong is actually mostly irrelevant in ping pong. No matter how much you say it isn't it won't change the fact that the ping pong is a metaphor for the characters thoughts about themselves and can be literally anything.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46406922]if a show is a sports drama it is by DEFINITION a drama, but again, ping pong is actually mostly irrelevant in ping pong. No matter how much you say it isn't it won't change the fact that the ping pong is a metaphor for the characters thoughts about themselves and can be literally anything.[/QUOTE]
It is by definition a sportsdrama, that's why it's called a sportsdrama, not a drama.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406904]
I don't see how this is relevant to anything.[/QUOTE]
Aren't you guys arguing whether Ping Pong goes into the sports or drama category in the new OP?
If so, I'm just suggesting a compromise.
-ugh-
Also I edited my post where I was at a complete loss for words, go read that I guess since the page is progressing so quickly that it's probably been lost by progress by now.
And now we're in a fucking nonsensical world where sportsdrama is a valid term. This is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406904]Chihayafuru has drama going on between the characters that are not reflective of their interest in the sport. There is a love drama going between the three main characters. That's why Chihayafuru is both a sportsdrama and a drama.
The love drama in Chihayafuru could exist if they were all NEETS. The character-drama could only exist with a sport.
Ping Pong's drama can only exist with a sport. It doesn't have any drama that is not directly tied and connected to the sport, that's why it's a sportsdrama.
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no ping pong's drama is styled as a sport but is actually NOT ABOUT IT, this what we're trying to say, chihayafuru's sports drama is about the sport itself, ping pong's is about the CHARACTERS PLAYING THE SPORT.
the sports drama of chihayafuru can't exist without the sport, but ping pong is just themed around ping pong as a METAPHOR for character mentality that could be anything else, the sport is irrelevant.
These past few pages have been extremely cringeworthy
And now I pick up the pieces and try to respond to his nonsensical posts while he makes twelve more in the meantime.
[QUOTE=Reds;46406938]Actually, I just realised.
dgg, you still haven't answered the question. You've fucking ignored it. You haven't told me why it's invalid as a vote for both Competitive and Drama.
I give up. Your post is stupid. It's so fucking stupid that I don't care about pretending to play along with your idiotic hypocritical broken arguments. I'm officially fucking mad now. You can't just go "oh mr reds when did i ever say anything like that" after you've been saying exactly that over and fucking over for multiple things.
Also I edited my post where I was at a complete loss for words, go read that I guess since the page is progressing so quickly that it's probably been lost by progress by now.
And now we're in a fucking nonsensical world where sportsdrama is a valid term. This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I have answered it several times, I'm sorry that you skipped that part over and over again.
What exactly are you implying that I haven't said but have said over and over again? That a show can't be competetive and drama, or any other genre for that sake? Because I have never said that. I have said that Ping Pong can't be a drama, not because it's a sports show, but because it isn't a drama. It's purely a sportsdrama.
I will go and read that.
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