IF COMPETITIVE AND DRAMA ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING THEN WHAT'S THE POINT
COMPETITIVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PEOPLE COMPETING AND PLAYING A GAME
DRAMA IS ABOUT DRAMA
SO THEREFORE COMPETITIVE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THINGS FOCUSING ON THE GAME, RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON THE DRAMA
WHY AM I YELLING
Oh, that's right, because dgg drags it down to semantics and idiotic technicalities whenever anybody has the sense to say that.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;46406959]I have answered it several times, I'm sorry that you skipped that part over and over again.[/QUOTE]
I edited that out for a reason you know.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
And stop using sportsdrama as a term. You can't just string together something like that and treat it seriously.
dgg should be in the drama category
dgg, I am having to argue furiously like this because nobody else is stupid enough to get into an extended argument with you. This is a testament to how stupid arguing with you is, everybody cannot be fucked dealing with you.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
I'm glad I have this avatar, it's basically a fairly accurate representation of my expression whenever I look at dgg's posts.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46406943]no ping pong's drama is styled as a sport but is actually NOT ABOUT IT, this what we're trying to say, chihayafuru's sports drama is about the sport itself, ping pong's is about the CHARACTERS PLAYING THE SPORT.
the sports drama of chihayafuru can't exist without the sport, but ping pong is just themed around ping pong as a METAPHOR for character mentality that could be anything else, the sport is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
I think you're misunderstanding heavily if you think I'm saying the drama is [I]about the sport[/I]. I'm saying the drama [I]comes from the sport[/I].
Chihayafuru's drama [I]comes from the sport[/I], and then it also has drama that is irrelevant to the sport, the love drama.
Ping-Pong is character drama that is reflected [I]through the sport[/I], and the circumstances that caused the drama [I]is the sport itself[/I].
Guys
settle it
in [I]pong[/I]
I'm gonna say it again.
Sports being linked to the drama is irrelevant. You can push sportsdrama over and over at me and list as many shows and comparisons as you want but that doesn't change that you are [I]acknowledging[/I] that it is a drama.
This isn't about sports, this isn't about genre restrictions, this isn't about any of that bullshit. Ping Pong is focused on character drama. Therefore I vote for it in the drama category. That is the end of the fucking line and it's an idiotic double standard to refuse it entry.
You lose [I]nothing[/I] by allowing people to vote for Ping Pong in either competitive or drama. This is such a ridiculous non-issue that I cannot understand why you have made it such a big deal.
And don't you fucking dare try to go "no, [I]you're[/I] making it a big deal :^)".
[QUOTE=dgg;46406992]I think you're misunderstanding heavily if you think I'm saying the drama is [I]about the sport[/I]. I'm saying the drama [I]comes from the sport[/I].
Chihayafuru's drama [I]comes from the sport[/I], and then it also has drama that is irrelevant to the sport, the love drama.
Ping-Pong is character drama that is reflected [I]through the sport[/I], and the circumstances that caused the drama [I]is the sport itself[/I].[/QUOTE]
wait, haven't you been saying that ping pong's drama comes entirely from the characters for pages now? don't try and change your wording to seem like you're right.
[QUOTE=dgg;46406992]I think you're misunderstanding heavily if you think I'm saying the drama is [I]about the sport[/I]. I'm saying the drama [I]comes from the sport[/I].
Ping-Pong is character drama that is reflected [I]through the sport[/I], and the circumstances that caused the drama [I]is the sport itself[/I].[/QUOTE]
And again your argument is self-defeating. The [I]source[/I] of the drama is the sport. But it's still character drama. So it belongs in drama just as much as competitive.
Riddle me this, dgg:
WHY
CAN
WE
NOT
HAVE
BOTH
CATEGORIES
AS
AN
OPTION
Why can it not qualify for both competitive and drama when [I]you keep saying that it's a character drama[/I]
Putting it in the drama category does to make it not a sports anime. It also does not make it not a valid option for competitive. Why do you refuse it entry? Why? Answer that. Don't give me anything else like you keep doing. I don't want to hear about other shows or settings or sources of drama or anything.
Why can't it go in both. Give me a reason why. Anything getting away from this is bullshit that will be ignored until you give me an adequate answer. You keep trying to dance around it. Stop doing your jig and answer the fucking question.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
Let's just get it over with before this drags out any longer, okay? I want to talk about anime besides Ping Pong and categories. I can't see how this could go on much longer.
Also you guys should all watch Zegapain, it's really good and has minimal mecha focus despite being a mecha show. I'd only call it a mecha by technicality since they have little focus and are just kinda there as a weapon, it's more general sci-fi and psychological. Really unique take on the matrix concept.
I kinda kept wanting to use it as an example in my argument but I never got around to it but I really like that show and nobody has watched it. Go watch it.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Last or First;46407000]Guys
settle it
in [I]pong[/I][/QUOTE]
Maybe we should have just skipped the argument and played a game of two-player online Pong.
[QUOTE=Reds;46406881]Can you just start letting things through your impossibly thick skull? For fuck's sake, you aren't allowed to flip the chess board around and pretend that you've been playing the other side the whole time.[/QUOTE]
Seeing as I have been saying the same thing since the beginning I don't know why you sat yourself down on my side of the chess board and pretend that I flipped it.
[QUOTE=Reds;46406963]IF COMPETITIVE AND DRAMA ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING THEN WHAT'S THE POINT
COMPETITIVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PEOPLE COMPETING AND PLAYING A GAME
DRAMA IS ABOUT DRAMA
SO THEREFORE COMPETITIVE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THINGS FOCUSING ON THE GAME, RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON THE DRAMA
WHY AM I YELLING
Oh, that's right, because dgg drags it down to semantics and idiotic technicalities whenever anybody has the sense to say that.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
I edited that out for a reason you know.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
And stop using sportsdrama as a term. You can't just string together something like that and treat it seriously.[/QUOTE]
No, competetive and drama isn't the same thing.
Competetive is sportsdramas [B]and[/B] shows with a competetive core to them. Ping Pong, Kaiji, Chihayafuru, Hajime no Ippo, Initial D, Prince of Tennis
Drama is dramas, shows about difficult circumstances and events in life that characters have to handle and hopefully overcome. Clannad, Steins;Gate, Kokoro Connect, Space Brothers.
[QUOTE=igamiwarr;46406974]dgg should be in the drama category[/QUOTE]
If I'm going into the drama category, where does Reds go then? Sports?
[QUOTE=Reds;46406975]dgg, I am having to argue furiously like this because nobody else is stupid enough to get into an extended argument with you. This is a testament to how stupid arguing with you is, everybody cannot be fucked dealing with you.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
I'm glad I have this avatar, it's basically a fairly accurate representation of my expression whenever I look at dgg's posts.[/QUOTE]
Ad-hominem (and capital letters) is sadly not going to help your case.
[QUOTE=Reds;46407014]I'm gonna say it again.
Sports being linked to the drama is irrelevant. You can push sportsdrama over and over at me and list as many shows and comparisons as you want but that doesn't change that you are [I]acknowledging[/I] that it is a drama.
This isn't about sports, this isn't about genre restrictions, this isn't about any of that bullshit. Ping Pong is focused on character drama. Therefore I vote for it in the drama category. That is the end of the fucking line and it's an idiotic double standard to refuse it entry.
You lose [I]nothing[/I] by allowing people to vote for Ping Pong in either competitive or drama. This is such a ridiculous non-issue that I cannot understand why you have made it such a big deal.
And don't you fucking dare try to go "no, [I]you're[/I] making it a big deal :^)".[/QUOTE]
Sports being the core reason the drama exists is hugely relevant, that's why the sports genre exists to begin with, to define sportsdramas. I have always been acknowledging it as a character-drama, all sports shows are character-dramas.
If sports shows weren't character dramas they would just be showcasing matches with random people that you don't care about, like channel surfing sports channels on the TV. The sports genre exists to seperate a sports show from a drama show, because they're both dramas, but they are different kind of dramas. (again, supernatural/fantasy)
Yes, you voted for it in the drama category, and that would have been fine had it been officially recognized as a drama, but because the drama exclusively originates from the sport, and the sport reflects on the characters drama, it is a sportsdrama.
I lose [I]everything[/I] by allowing people to vote for Ping Pong in drama because it's not where it belongs. It would be giving it special privileges that I have given no other show that doesn't belong to the category. And for what reason? Because you disagree but can't convince me otherwise? Because you think a thematic difference between the fantasy elements in Supernatural and Fantasy is huge enough to warrant two completely different categories but the difference between the drama in a sports show and the drama in a drama show is too small? Because you personally think sports shows should be more about the actual sport itself and not about the characters competing in the sport?
Yes, Ping Pong is more character driven and deals less with the actual sport itself than many other sport shows, I completely agree. However the sport remains the central theme, binding point and reason for their drama and self-exploration and self-understanding about themselves and their reason to, well, live.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46407019]wait, haven't you been saying that ping pong's drama comes entirely from the characters for pages now? don't try and change your wording to seem like you're right.[/QUOTE]
I have been saying it's a character drama for pages now, I have always harped on that the character drama itself originates from the sport. You're the one who's trying to twist my words.
[QUOTE=Reds;46407051]And again your argument is self-defeating. The [I]source[/I] of the drama is the sport. But it's still character drama. So it belongs in drama just as much as competitive.
Riddle me this, dgg:
WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE BOTH CATEGORIES AS AN OPTION
Why can it not qualify for both competitive and drama when [I]you keep saying that it's a character drama[/I]
Putting it in the drama category does to make it not a sports anime. It also does not make it not a valid option for competitive. Why do you refuse it entry? Why? Answer that. Don't give me anything else like you keep doing. I don't want to hear about other shows or settings or sources of drama or anything.
Why can't it go in both. Give me a reason why. Anything getting away from this is bullshit that will be ignored until you give me an adequate answer. You keep trying to dance around it. Stop doing your jig and answer the fucking question.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
Let's just get it over with before this drags out any longer, okay? I want to talk about anime besides Ping Pong and categories. I can't see how this could go on much longer.[/QUOTE]
It's a sportsdrama, a sportsdrama is character drama that originates from the sport. All shows labeled as a sports shows are character dramas that takes drama from the sport. That's why the classification exists to begin with, that's why it's it's own genre. The genre specifically singles out dramas that are character dramas that derives from a sport.
WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE BOTH CATEGORIES AS AN OPTION
- Because it is not officially labelled as a drama. It is only labeled as a sports show, because that's exactly what it is. A character drama with it's drama only derived from the sport, and reflected through the sport.
When you're saying you "don't want to hear about settings or sources of drama or anything" when you want an answer to why it can't go into both genres, then you are also asking to not get the answer to why it can't go into both genres. That's the fucking answer, it's what makes it a sports show and not a drama-
You're both shitting up the thread with the dumbest argument in months so shut the fuck up please
[QUOTE=dgg;46407192]
WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE BOTH CATEGORIES AS AN OPTION
- Because it is not officially labelled as a drama. It is only labeled as a sports show, because that's exactly what it is. A character drama with it's drama only derived from the sport, and reflected through the sport.[/QUOTE]
So ultimately it just comes down to you being overly anal about how it's listed on MAL and ANN. Your ridiculous opinion and argument was just coincidental. I bet you'd be more than willing to bend the genre rules if you wanted it in the category though.
Fucking pack it up folks, this was a tremendous waste of time. What thrillingly stupid end to this saga.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
Ok Orkel, I'm done.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
The best part is that I don't have to read dgg's giant post now.
[QUOTE=dgg;46407192]
If I'm going into the drama category, where does Reds go then? Sports?
[/QUOTE]
Mecha or Fantasy, obviously. I'm leaning towards Fantasy because that sounds like there'd be more adventures.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
Also dgg, can you stop spelling "competitive" as "competetive"? I've notified you of this error several times and you keep doing it.
[QUOTE=Reds;46407214]Also dgg, can you stop spelling "competitive" as "competetive"? I've notified you of this error several times and you keep doing it.[/QUOTE]
Bad habits are hard to change.
Good to see Fast Anime hasn't changed
I've concluded from this argument that dgg is a Vogon and that's why he can't be held to the same logical coherency standards as a human being.
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy anime when.
Gonna get another episode of Akatsuki no Yona down tomorrow, the show has been slow-paced but pretty good so far. Anybody else watching it?
[QUOTE=cheetahben;46406945]These past few pages have been extremely cringeworthy[/QUOTE]
I keep checking this thread to see if the voting results are here, but we just keep getting those lengthy arguments whether about supernatural sci-fi sports dramas.
I probably am not in a position to complain, though.
[QUOTE=Puvleek;46407381]I keep checking this thread to see if the voting results are here, but we just keep getting those lengthy arguments whether about supernatural sci-fi sports dramas.
I probably am not in a position to complain, though.[/QUOTE]
There is a real-time update on the results at [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgdYRqGwIvawdFFIXzkxcTBoNmNIdmNsZVd6RXl3Mnc&usp=drive_web#gid=0[/url].
When Zombii's votes are there, that's when everybody's votes have been tallyed up and the results are in, except for the people that have not re-voted or withdrawn an incorrect vote.
make a vote or something to decide whatever youre artuing about if you want this resolved i doubt two of you are going to get into any solution
[QUOTE=dgg;46407401]There is a real-time update on the results at [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgdYRqGwIvawdFFIXzkxcTBoNmNIdmNsZVd6RXl3Mnc&usp=drive_web#gid=0[/url].
When Zombii's votes are there, that's when everybody's votes have been tallyed up and the results are in, except for the people that have not re-voted or withdrawn an incorrect vote.[/QUOTE]
Are you going alphabetically or by submission date?
[QUOTE=dgg;46407401]There is a real-time update on the results at [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgdYRqGwIvawdFFIXzkxcTBoNmNIdmNsZVd6RXl3Mnc&usp=drive_web#gid=0[/url].
When Zombii's votes are there, that's when everybody's votes have been tallyed up and the results are in, except for the people that have not re-voted or withdrawn an incorrect vote.[/QUOTE]
oh baby i feel so important
[QUOTE=nnanna;46407424]make a vote or something to decide whatever youre artuing about if you want this resolved i doubt two of you are going to get into any solution[/QUOTE]
Let's make it a public opinion poll then.
If you think that Ping Pong should be valid in both Drama and Competitive, rate agree. If you think it should be restricted to just Competitive, vote disagree.
This is kinda pointless and I imagine ton of people won't bother voting but I'm interested in seeing the results. I'll check this post again in 24 hours.
gotta get lain in dat 20th century category cmon bbbbbbbbbb
[QUOTE=nnanna;46407424]make a vote or something to decide whatever youre artuing about if you want this resolved i doubt two of you are going to get into any solution[/QUOTE]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/PingPongSports.png[/img]
Seinen, Tournaments, Coming of Age, Sports.
What if you just don't give a shit and think this stupid argument should just be dropped because it's only for the OP of a thread talking about Japanese cartoons on a forum?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46407512]Are you going alphabetically or by submission date?[/QUOTE]
Mostly by submisson date. There are 19 people left, I have tallyed up 19 people.
[QUOTE=cheetahben;46407533]What if you just don't give a shit and think this stupid argument should just be dropped because it's only for the OP of a thread talking about Japanese cartoons on a forum?[/QUOTE]
This is serious business. The most serious. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Ping Pong is the only thing I could think of to put in my drama category.
[QUOTE=dgg;46407401]There is a real-time update on the results at [URL]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgdYRqGwIvawdFFIXzkxcTBoNmNIdmNsZVd6RXl3Mnc&usp=drive_web#gid=0[/URL].
When Zombii's votes are there, that's when everybody's votes have been tallyed up and the results are in, except for the people that have not re-voted or withdrawn an incorrect vote.[/QUOTE]
I feel that I should notify you that down at Patlabor you've miscounted your votes. You have Empty_Shadow and Leo the Leo, but you have Patlabor marked down as just one vote when it should be two.
[editline]5th November 2014[/editline]
That could be intentional seeing how Empty_Shadow also has it in 20th Century. Care to explain?
[QUOTE=Winner;46407591]my life literally depends on which category this cartoon goes into[/QUOTE]
Don't tell anybody, but this timeline kinda collapses if Ping Pong doesn't make it into drama. I have come from the future to avert disaster.
-NEVERMIND IM RETARDED AND ALSO CANNOT READ SPREADSHEETS-
Does anyone even read the OP
[QUOTE=Eric95;46407645]Does anyone even read the OP[/QUOTE]
people visiting for the first time probably, the regulars in this thread, not so much
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