[QUOTE=dgg;46865283]Yes, it's awful to argue that I'm making opinions and not trying to proclaim myself as being right.
Fuck me for trying to clarify myself and question your attitude towards my statement.[/QUOTE]
"I think code geass r2 is bad" "no look mal rated it better it's not shit"
how's that not you telling me I'm wrong? if it was your opinion then you wouldn't need facts like ratings to back it up, opinions don't need to be justified, facts do.
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46865186]How is Code Geass supposed to be pronounced? Code G-ass? Or Code Jazz?[/QUOTE]
Assuming it's meant to be pronounced the same as geis, then "Code Gesh".
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46865186]How is Code Geass supposed to be pronounced? Code G-ass? Or Code Jazz?[/QUOTE]
I always thought it was pronounced rhyming with dice or ice for some reason or other. So like Code Gice. I have no idea where I got that idea from though.
edit: here is it being said in the show:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEbONNkxHhw[/URL]
probably contains spoilers. The first example, if there are even multiple ones, is from episode 4 (I stopped the video after hearing it the first time since I didn't want to risk spoilers from later on if I decide to watch it.)
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46865309]"I think code geass r2 is bad" "no look mal rated it better it's not shit"
how's that not you telling me I'm wrong? if it was your opinion then you wouldn't need facts like ratings to back it up, opinions don't need to be justified, facts do.[/QUOTE]
Why do I have to quote myself?
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]It's my opinion that R2 is the better season, and as luck would have it, a lot of people agree with me on that part. Yes I can see how bringing them up made it look like I was trying to say that him believing it was a retarded season was wrong because hey look people, that's not what I was trying to do however, I was just asking, if it really was so fucking retarded why did it recieve even more praise on a public level?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Orkel;46863386]I've read the manga. I wouldn't expect too much of this anime. Unless they edit it a lot (anime original scenes) to concentrate on the battles more, than jokes about the main character's virginity and her whore familiar's sex experience because that's pretty much what the manga is about (and the manga's/anime's name is "maria the virgin", but the only reason it's there is to act as dick-bait for sad otakus, in the manga atleast)[/QUOTE]
From what I've read about it, if the manga was an 8:2 ratio of Maria to the actual war, the anime will be 5:5 or some shit. In other words, the anime will only be loosely related to the manga.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865320]Why do I have to quote myself?[/QUOTE]
I didn't see that post, shit. Just thought reds was still talking about your first post.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]Haha, what the fuck man? When did I try to proclaim myself as being "right"?
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Uh, probably in this part.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
It's my opinion that R2 is the better season, and as luck would have it, a lot of people agree with me on that part.
And if anything yes, public opinion is a much more accurate indicator of quality than specific people's opinions, because they have their own preferences whereas the public has all the preferences. If you want an accurate indicator of quality based on what you're looking for you need to find a reviewer(s) who looks for the same thing as you.[/QUOTE]
"you shouldn't get upset at my opinion because it's just an opinion. also my opinion is more right than your opinion."
You don't have to be an argumentative genius to know that "i'm not saying i'm right, but all of these people agree with me" is not very fucking subtle. Don't you dare try to go "wow reds it's just my opinion why are you getting so upset at my opinion it's just my opinion wow" because I couldn't give less of a shit about what you think about R2. Don't you fucking dare try to pull this shit and call it an argument.
Oh, and this part.
[QUOTE=dgg;46863941]I'm using it as an additional argument to support my own opinion of it being better. [/QUOTE]
Aaaand this part.
[QUOTE=dgg;46863775]
If R2 was so much worse why would it even have a higher rating (partly because the people that rated R1 didn't watch R2, but still if it's that much worse it would still have a lower average)[/QUOTE]
You can't go "no opinion is right or wrong" and then go "but here's this argument to show you why i'm right". It's a laughably terrible one too.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]Haha, what the fuck man? When did I try to proclaim myself as being "right"?
Jesus you guys are sensitive to differenting [B]opinions[/B], are you always reading my opinions as personal attacks?
[/QUOTE]
Poor argument number two: accusing people who disagree with you of hysterics and irrationality. You might as well go "u mad bro". Because I'm clearly furious at you for liking a show. I'm absolutely offended by it, clearly. Also "differenting", I think you're looking for "differing".
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
And if anything yes, public opinion is a much more accurate indicator of quality than specific people's opinions, because they have their own preferences whereas the public has all the preferences. If you want an accurate indicator of quality based on what you're looking for you need to find a reviewer(s) who looks for the same thing as you.
[/QUOTE]
And this is why Sword Art Online, Death Note, and Attack on Titan are literary masterpieces. Because that's how quality works. The public at large has been well known for not being an objective source and thus shouldn't be used to support your arguments being "it's popular and a lot of people like it".
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
Yes I can see how bringing them up made it look like I was trying to say that him believing it was a retarded season was wrong because hey look people, that's not what I was trying to do however, I was just asking, if it really was so fucking retarded why did it recieve even more praise on a public level?[/QUOTE]
This is a case of "now i know all signs pointed to doing this but i wasn't, really" and it's not terribly convincing. By the logic of "if it's so dumb why did people say they liked it" you have to apply that to everything, including works that you know are complete ass but are still popular. And MAL or whatever site you're using is notorious for awful show ratings, it's practically brought up every day.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
For example you're bringing up mecha fans into the picture, that is a narrowed down group of people, they don't represent "the rest of us", people like me, who aren't mecha fans, who don't give one flying fuck about the mechas, their design or use.
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You're watching a mecha show. If the mecha are ass, then that's a significant part of the show that needs to be acknowledged as awful. Yes, story trumps action. If a mecha show has bad mecha then it is a failure as a mecha show, with an engaging everything else to pull it through. If an action show has bad action and bills itself specifically as an action show, then that show is judged accordingly.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
What the hell do I, the not-mecha-fag care about what a bunch of mechafags think about Code Geass? Why would their opinion be a more "right" opinion than mine, as you're now trying to make in defense of the public opinion?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, nothing makes their opinions any more valuable. I mentioned it first for the same reason that you'd go "all the rock music fans i've talked to didn't like that band", the primary demographic tends to come to mind first when you're thinking of opinions to quote. Although I suppose Code Geass has proven to appeal more to non-mecha fans than to mecha fans so it's a non-applicable use of opinions in this case compared to a standard mecha show.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865267]
I don't even consider Code Geass a mecha show, because the mechas takes the sideline and the whole story, with all of it's events could have been the same and just as effective without mechas.[/QUOTE]
You can consider it not a mecha show but it's still a mecha show. Imagine if a show about a band who play a song once an episode had awful music. That tends to make it into your final score. Also "could have gone the same without giant robots" sorta sums up most mecha shows.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
Long story short I find your argument offensive, not your opinion.
R2 was bad cuz it had no jibun wo
[img]http://horobox.reager.org/u/orkel_1420527502.jpg[/img]
this thread atm
Code Geese is highly overrated.
[QUOTE=Die_Hard;46865387]R2 was bad cuz it had no jibun wo[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osKkMKolWQ8[/media]
tho
imagine reading a dgg v reds argument.
[QUOTE=axelord157;46865190]That'd be half lame and half bad ass. Johnathan made the ripple look like generic shounen power #353. Joeseph on the other hand made the ripple for cool kids with his balls covered in vegetable oil.[/QUOTE]
which is funny because
jojo part 6 spoilers
[sp]Jonathan has most impact on the jojo universe with dio's dumb plan to make a green baby[/sp]
[sp]jonathan's impact was felt all the way to part 6[/sp]
[QUOTE=Reds;46865189]I assume Gi-Arse, as in why would you fucking take away my rollerblade mecha for shitty generic flyers holy shit the season 2 designs are terrible how did you go from the Glasgow to this shit.[/QUOTE]
Gundam seems to be the only one where mecha tech advances at a somewhat normal rate, as opposed to the usual "here is our one and only super prototype that gives us a 20 year tech advantage"
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;46865528]Gundam seems to be the only one where mecha tech advances at a somewhat normal rate, as opposed to the usual "here is our one and only super prototype that gives us a 20 year tech advantage"[/QUOTE]
Tomino's pretty good for it. The titular L-Gaim from its series is actually, while strong, not the strongest in the series, and is actually meant to be mass produced, which happens later in the series with no drop in power.
And the Dunbine from Aura Battler Dunbine is actually the second weakest mecha in the series, only beating out a ridiculously shit-tier mook, and is outdated by like episode four. It's just that it scales with the user's Aura really well. Dunbine does an arms race really well as the war escalates. It starts with "if you have one or two aura battlers you win the battle" to raising platoons and eventually armies as mass production ramps up, and new and stronger mecha/toys to sell were constantly being built.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]Uh, probably in this part.
"you shouldn't get upset at my opinion because it's just an opinion. also my opinion is more right than your opinion."
You don't have to be an argumentative genius to know that "i'm not saying i'm right, but all of these people agree with me" is not very fucking subtle. Don't you dare try to go "wow reds it's just my opinion why are you getting so upset at my opinion it's just my opinion wow" because I couldn't give less of a shit about what you think about R2. Don't you fucking dare try to pull this shit and call it an argument.
Oh, and this part.[/QUOTE]
Right so I'm having a talk with myself here to try and understand what I was really trying to say, not what it ended up seeming like I said, and I can't honestly get a good grasp on anything there.
Bringing up Geass' public opinion was never meant to pose my opinion as the right one at all, it was only meant to question it's retardation, but in a way that doesn't demean or tell the other person off for disagreeing with that public opinion. Like I said I can't get a good grasp on what I tried to do as I can see how that questioning is in itself a form of attack on the opinions validity, but that's not what I wanted to do.
However in that post I'm quoting you're using the mass opinion of mechafags as the metric to stand by, and as such of course I attacked that and argumented for why public opinion is a better measurement because it's not narrowed down to specific mindsets (which is good if you're part of that group and share those values, but for everyone else it's not).
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]Aaaand this part.[/QUOTE]
Same as above, not intended to strenghten my opinion as the right one, but yes I guess it does seem that way. It's sort of a "I don't think it was retarded and that viewpoint has it's validity as can be seen from others as well", reinforcing my opinions validity rather than dismissing the validity of the other opinion. Of course there would be no way to distinguish the two in such a sentence.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]You can't go "no opinion is right or wrong" and then go "but here's this argument to show you why i'm right". It's a laughably terrible one too.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't an argument at all, I was questioning how it could be "retarded" if so many people enjoyed it.
I guess I just simply interpret the use of "retarded" as an insult to a show where something is just downright wrong, when somebody has fucked up so bad it's objectively bad. Thus I get an urge to question the claim.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]Poor argument number two: accusing people who disagree with you of hysterics and irrationality. You might as well go "u mad bro". Because I'm clearly furious at you for liking a show. I'm absolutely offended by it, clearly. Also "differenting", I think you're looking for "differing".[/QUOTE]
No, I was just getting upset because I was never conciously taking a position where I was trying to be right.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]And this is why Sword Art Online, Death Note, and Attack on Titan are literary masterpieces. Because that's how quality works. The public at large has been well known for not being an objective source and thus shouldn't be used to support your arguments being "it's popular and a lot of people like it".[/QUOTE]
I think you are being elitist and reflecting quality too much on your own subjective preferences if you are demeaning public opinion in this way.
For me personally, sure, MAL, IMDB and whatnot can be quite cancerous, public opinion overrates stuff I despise or think wasn't anything special at all. But that's my opinion based on my preferences and taste. That has nothing to do with what is good for the public, which is the overall most important group, because they cater to everyone. The more well-liked something is in public opinion, the more likely anyone are to enjoy it, and the more people that can enjoy something the better it is.
The literary masterpieces you are hinting at are more niche productions, works that caters to specific audiences and gives them exactly what [B]they[/B] want, stuff other people would consider the worst piece of shit to exist, but they hail as the greatest thing to ever exist. They are better for the audience they cater to, but worse for most others.
As such public opinion rules supreme, because most people can relate, then everyone looking for something more in line with their own opinions will have to find people with a similar mindset. As such R2 is overall better than R1, but to anyone with a more passionate interest in what Code Geass delivers, R1 is much better than R2.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]This is a case of "now i know all signs pointed to doing this but i wasn't, really" and it's not terribly convincing. By the logic of "if it's so dumb why did people say they liked it" you have to apply that to everything, including works that you know are complete ass but are still popular. And MAL or whatever site you're using is notorious for awful show ratings, it's practically brought up every day.[/QUOTE]
It should be convincing because I mean it, I'm not backpedalling or anything, I'm clarifying the point I tried to get across that didn't get across, you of all people should know that neither you or me are good at phrasing ourselves properly, giving the right meaning at first read.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]You're watching a mecha show. If the mecha are ass, then that's a significant part of the show that needs to be acknowledged as awful. Yes, story trumps action. If a mecha show has bad mecha then it is a failure as a mecha show, with an engaging everything else to pull it through. If an action show has bad action and bills itself specifically as an action show, then that show is judged accordingly.[/QUOTE]
I watched what I watched, and to me it was a strong thriller with a military-ish setting that took use of mechs, their importance to the story was next to none beyond creating action scenes that could have been produced with any form of combat type. Tanks, planes, experiemental weaponry, etc.
Also what the fuck even is "mecha", how is it even an actual genre? "This show has mobile mechanical units", that's a fucking mecha show. Traditionally, due to the nature of a mecha unit, they are used in diplomatic and/or military shows that often deal with interracial relationships, but it's not at all a restriction on a "mecha" show, it's just the norm.
What is a "bad mecha", is it when they feature a turtle mech that does nothing but walk slow throughout the show? Is it a poorly animated mecha? Is it a mecha that doesn't fight enough? I don't get it, they're just military units that fight, wouldn't you then rate the "action" not the "mecha"? They're just a piece of the setting.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]Yeah, nothing makes their opinions any more valuable. I mentioned it first for the same reason that you'd go "all the rock music fans i've talked to didn't like that band", the primary demographic tends to come to mind first when you're thinking of opinions to quote. Although I suppose Code Geass has proven to appeal more to non-mecha fans than to mecha fans so it's a non-applicable use of opinions in this case compared to a standard mecha show.[/QUOTE]
Their opinions aren't any more valuable, they are more valuable to people that are specially interested in rock, not everyone else besides them. They can offer insight to why people that are into rock like certain parts, but that doesn't make everyone else like it anymore, because to them it's still fucking terrible so who gives a shit what this specially interested person said? His opinion is equally as valuable as anyone elses, but it means more to those interested in rock. (remember that this works the other way as well, a person that hates rock and his opinion on the piece would be highly valuable to anyone else that doesn't like rock)
[QUOTE=Reds;46865381]You can consider it not a mecha show but it's still a mecha show. Imagine if a show about a band who play a song once an episode had awful music. That tends to make it into your final score. Also "could have gone the same without giant robots" sorta sums up most mecha shows.[/QUOTE]
Yes, pointing out the fact that the mechs themselves are so irrelevant to the show, especially in CG, that they hold no significance to the show as a whole.
Code Geass is about Lelouch and his struggles in trying to [sp]unite the world[/sp], the mechs are just chess pieces that are used every now and again to accomplish his goal. There is nothing I would single them out for as being "good" or "bad", they are just pieces of military equipment.
How do you rate a military show on it's tanks and planes? I rate them on their action and story.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865651]
Their opinions aren't any more valuable, they are more valuable to people that are specially interested in rock, not everyone else besides them. They can offer insight to why people that are into rock like certain parts, but that doesn't make everyone else like it anymore, because to them it's still fucking terrible so who gives a shit what this specially interested person said? His opinion is equally as valuable as anyone elses, but it means more to those interested in rock. (remember that this works the other way as well, a person that hates rock and his opinion on the piece would be highly valuable to anyone else that doesn't like rock)
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I'll state what I meant in plainer terms. Their opinions don't mean any more than anybody else's, I just defaulted to them first as examples of people I'd heard opinions from.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
Did I ever actually call the show retarded? I mostly remember just calling it stupid for what it did with the mecha aspect.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865682]Did I ever actually call the show retarded? I mostly remember just calling it stupid for what it did with the mecha aspect.[/QUOTE]
No, you didn't, Rahkshi lord did, the person I replied to that started your discussion with me.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865717]No, you didn't, Rahkshi lord did, the person I replied to that started your discussion with me.[/QUOTE]
I haven't watched it so I don't really have an opinion of the show itself beyond "i heard season 2 even ignoring the mecha wasn't very good". I found the way you presented and handled your opinion and argument obnoxious and stupid and that's where I was going with the whole thing. Emphasis on "was", I'm not drawing this out any longer.
[QUOTE=dgg;46865717]No, you didn't, Rahkshi lord did, the person I replied to that started your discussion with me.[/QUOTE]
I said parts were retarded, which was hyperbole and clearly my opinion on why I dislike r2 (which I don't I just thought it was weaker than s1), rating metrics have little to no bearing on whether I think a show is retarded, mal's rating for psycho-pass s2 is a 7.81 which doesn't at all change the fact that I thought it was a retarded, terribly written piece of shit.
Sword art online is an 8 on average for mal users, I still found it retarded, if you want I can detail why i thought code geass r2 has absolutely terrible aspects but I only watched it once a year ago so my memory isn't perfect on it.
-that was dumb and not thought out-
Moving on.
Unfortunately other than yuri bears there's nothing to fucking talk about yet.
Oops, never meant for it all to derail like this. Anyway, I started watching it now, seems good so far. Are you allowed to talk about torrents on this forum? Not that I need to though, I watch anime on Crunchyroll and Netflix.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46865765]I said parts were retarded, which was hyperbole and clearly my opinion on why I dislike r2 (which I don't I just thought it was weaker than s1), rating metrics have little to no bearing on whether I think a show is retarded, mal's rating for psycho-pass s2 is a 7.81 which doesn't at all change the fact that I thought it was a retarded, terribly written piece of shit.
Sword art online is an 8 on average for mal users, I still found it retarded, if you want I can detail why i thought code geass r2 has absolutely terrible aspects but I only watched it once a year ago so my memory isn't perfect on it.[/QUOTE]
Again I never actually intended to make the rating seem like I was right and you was wrong.
It was a fuckup that wildly derailed what I was trying to say.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reds;46865783]dgg made an idiotic and terrible argument and will never admit that he's wrong because dgg will never admit that he ever says anything stupid. Moving on.
Unfortunately other than yuri bears there's nothing to fucking talk about yet.[/QUOTE]
A giant fucking post explaining how I did something wrong and you tell me I didn't admit I was wrong?
I hate you so much for being like this. "I'll just ignore what you said and continue to treat you like shit because I think you're shit"
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46865787]Oops, never meant for it all to derail like this. Anyway, I started watching it now, seems good so far. Are you allowed to talk about torrents on this forum? Not that I need to though, I watch anime on Crunchyroll and Netflix.[/QUOTE]
torrents are a no go, I mean you can mention that the concept of torrents exists but saying you're torrenting something falls under the "don't brag about piracy" rule.
not that it matters I get all my anime on laserdisc
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46865813]torrents are a no go, I mean you can mention that the concept of torrents exists but saying you're torrenting something falls under the "don't brag about piracy" rule.
not that it matters I get all my anime on laserdisc[/QUOTE]
Ok, was just wondering.
dgg, perhaps a short paragraph of "whoops i didn't mean that' would work better than two pages of massive blocks of text accompanied by a ton of other stuff that doesn't actually get around to ultimately saying what you want to say until right at the end
[QUOTE=Orkel;46863386]I've read the manga. I wouldn't expect too much of this anime. Unless they edit it a lot (anime original scenes) to concentrate on the battles more, than jokes about the main character's virginity and her whore familiar's sex experience because that's pretty much what the manga is about (and the manga's/anime's name is "maria the virgin", but the only reason it's there is to act as dick-bait for sad otakus, in the manga atleast)[/QUOTE]
sounds like you're describing a hentai game
[QUOTE=Reds;46865820]dgg, perhaps a short paragraph of "whoops i didn't mean that' would work better than two pages of massive blocks of text accompanied by a ton of other stuff that doesn't actually get around to ultimately saying what you want to say until right at the end[/QUOTE]
Maybe just reading would help.
When people constantly and consistently "misinterpret" you maybe it's time to admit that you fucking suck at getting your point across clearly.
[editline]6th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;46865825]Maybe just reading would help.[/QUOTE]
I read your posts. Making them massive and convoluted has not served to help you so far. Your posts are not with lack of detail, there's too much of it and every time I type something out I have to go back since there's another ten things I missed. At the end of the day it doesn't actually get you any closer to your point and makes you present yourself as a stubborn ass who most of the time refuses to admit that you said something wrong in the first place. If it was so obvious in the first place you wouldn't have to type up all of that shit and have everybody in the room somehow be unable to gleam your meaning.
[QUOTE=Reds;46865829]When people constantly and consistently "misinterpret" you maybe it's time to admit that you fucking suck at getting your point across clearly.[/QUOTE]
As I have DONE A BILLION TIMES AND EVEN DID IN THE POST WHERE I EXPLAINED MYSELF.
Jesus fuck man!
[QUOTE=Reds;46865829]I read your posts. Making them massive and convoluted has not served to help you so far.[/QUOTE]
No you didn't because you're bringing up shit I've already answered.
"It should be convincing because I mean it, I'm not backpedalling or anything, I'm clarifying the point I tried to get across that didn't get across, you of all people should know that neither you or me are good at phrasing ourselves properly, giving the right meaning at first read."
That right there is incredibly convoluted, so hard to read, what am I trying to say here?
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