Why does Pocahontas look south-east asian and not native american?
Because the artist is from the UK, and foreigners often have problems with other country's native people because they don't see them much.
[QUOTE=Raijin;37402890]Why does Pocahontas look south-east asian and not native american?[/QUOTE]
Amerindians on the west coast of North America have their lineage from eastern Asia through the Bering Land Bridge. But, Pocahontas is from the east coast and [I]should[/I] look more European. But for some reason, probably the culture of the wild west and the Indian Wars, people associate the look of western Amerindians as "the look" of all Amerindians.
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[QUOTE=mac338;37403019]Because the artist is from the UK, and foreigners often have problems with other country's native people because they don't see them much.[/QUOTE]
Amerindians on the east coast are from Europe that traveled over here during the last ice age. Specifically from Great Britain and northern France. She [I]should[/I] have a European facial structure.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37403917]Amerindians on the west coast of North America have their lineage from eastern Asia through the Bering Land Bridge. But, Pocahontas is from the east coast and [I]should[/I] look more European. But for some reason, probably the culture of the wild west and the Indian Wars, people associate the look of western Amerindians as "the look" of all Amerindians.
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Amerindians on the east coast are from Europe that traveled over here during the last ice age. Specifically from Great Britain and northern France. She [I]should[/I] have a European facial structure.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no. There were no significant migrations of Europeans into American until the post-Columbian era (the Viking explorations were non-permanent and resulted in little intermixing).
Native Americans are *all* descended from East Asians. All of them came over through the Siberia-Alaska route. NONE of them should have a European facial structure (at least, back then - at this point there are basically no "pure" Native Americans on the East Coast; they've all intermingled with European and African).
[QUOTE=gman003-main;37404040]Uh, no. There were no significant migrations of Europeans into American until the post-Columbian era (the Viking explorations were non-permanent and resulted in little intermixing).
Native Americans are *all* descended from East Asians. All of them came over through the Siberia-Alaska route. NONE of them should have a European facial structure (at least, back then - at this point there are basically no "pure" Native Americans on the East Coast; they've all intermingled with European and African).[/QUOTE]
Explain the Clovis points then. They're arrowheads that were found in both the Americas and western Europe from the same time period. It's clear that ones from Asia were the overwhelming majority but there's evidence pointing out that some Ice Age Europeans traveled to North America.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37404159]Explain the Clovis points then. They're arrowheads that were found in both the Americas and western Europe from the same time period. It's clear that ones from Asia were the overwhelming majority but there's evidence pointing out that some Ice Age Europeans traveled to North America.[/QUOTE]
Ah, the Solutrean Hypothesis. I'll let Wikipedia write my answer:
[quote]The Solutrean hypothesis is an alternative theory about the Settlement of the Americas, according to which peoples from Europe may have been among the earliest settlers of the American continent. The theory that is currently most widely accepted, and which is supported by genetic, linguistic and archaeological evidence, considers the American continent to have been populated from Asia either via the Bering land bridge or by sea. The Solutrean hypothesis was first proposed in 1998. Its key proponents include Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution, and Bruce Bradley, of the University of Exeter.
According to this hypothesis, people associated with the Solutrean culture migrated from Ice Age Europe to North America, bringing their methods of making stone tools with them and providing the basis for later Clovis technology found throughout North America. The hypothesis rests upon proposed similarities between European Solutrean and Early American Clovis lithic technology. Some archaeologists have criticized the proposed similarities as too insignificant and just as likely to be due to chance as to shared origins.
[b]The hypothesis has been generally not been well received by archaeologists and oceanographers because of a lack of supporting evidence. A recent DNA study challenges a genetic argument often made in favor of the hypothesis. The study argues against the apparently anomalous mtDNA Haplogroup X2A having migrated to the Americas via an Atlantic route.[/b][/quote]
So to recap:
> The Clovis points are found primarily in Midwest US
> Similar but more primitive variants are found in Asia
> There are similarities between Clovis and Solutrean (found in Europe), but these could be explained as simple convergent evolution (ie. if you tell two engineers to solve the same problem, they'll probably come up with similar solutions)
> Not supported by DNA evidence
> Not supported by linguistic evidence
> Not supported by archeological evidence
> Not supported by oceanographic evidence
Oh, and just to argue the point further, [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Pocahontas_by_Simon_van_de_Passe_1616.jpg]here[/url] is an engraving from 1616 of the actual, historical Pocahontas (under both her actual name (Matoaka) and her Anglicized name (Rebecca Rolfe)). While the clothes are obviously British, the facial structure is *obviously* not "European" in any way (actually looks surprisingly close to the Disney movie - considering how much they got wrong, I'm surprised they did a half-decent job on the character's look).
THE REAL QUESTION IS: WHY DOES ARIEL LOOK LIKE PIPPI LONGSTOCKING?
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Also I would love to be that Jane's ape man myself.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;37404454]Ah, the Solutrean Hypothesis. I'll let Wikipedia write my answer:
So to recap:
> The Clovis points are found primarily in Midwest US
> Similar but more primitive variants are found in Asia
> There are similarities between Clovis and Solutrean (found in Europe), but these could be explained as simple convergent evolution (ie. if you tell two engineers to solve the same problem, they'll probably come up with similar solutions)
> Not supported by DNA evidence
> Not supported by linguistic evidence
> Not supported by archeological evidence
> Not supported by oceanographic evidence
Oh, and just to argue the point further, [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Pocahontas_by_Simon_van_de_Passe_1616.jpg]here[/url] is an engraving from 1616 of the actual, historical Pocahontas (under both her actual name (Matoaka) and her Anglicized name (Rebecca Rolfe)). While the clothes are obviously British, the facial structure is *obviously* not "European" in any way (actually looks surprisingly close to the Disney movie - considering how much they got wrong, I'm surprised they did a half-decent job on the character's look).[/QUOTE]
My only last retorts are - How can oceanography deny [I]or[/I] confirm anything about this theory?
And, you can't use an engraving as a suitable piece of evidence of what she looked like. To my eyes, she has a European face. Anything short of an actual photograph, which won't happen, won't prove either of us in the right direction.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37405207]My only last retorts are - How can oceanography deny [I]or[/I] confirm anything about this theory?[/quote]
Well, since that theory posits that early Europeans rode icebergs across the Atlantic, oceanography can show whether or not that was even possible.
[url=http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3721/J080527]I don't have full access to this paper, but here's the abstract[/url]:
One current hypothesis for the Pleistocene peopling of the Americas invokes a dispersal by European hunter-gatherers along a biologically productive “corridor” situated on the edge of the sea-ice that filled the Atlantic Ocean during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM). In this paper, we assert that critical paleoceanographic data underpinning this hypothesis has not yet been examined in sufficient detail. To this end, we present data which show that the corridor may not have existed, and that, if it did, its suitability as a migration route is highly questionable. In addition to demonstrating that the hypothesized migration was unlikely, this highlights the importance of integrating paleoceanographic and archaeological data in studies of paleo-coastal societies.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37405207]And, you can't use an engraving as a suitable piece of evidence of what she looked like. To my eyes, she has a European face. Anything short of an actual photograph, which won't happen, won't prove either of us in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
It's an engraving made by someone who was [i]looking right at her[/i]. Since photography was not invented before her death, that's about the best you're going to get - an artist's recording.
And if that face looks European to you, I *really* have to doubt your abilities to identify facial structure. Look at the brow, note their shallow, high position. Look at the jaw, the angular point. Look in particular at the pronounced cheekbones.
[IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/15q6q7t.jpg[/IMG]
[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/oUVPjZYNo86q5djm82VZmRn9_400.jpg[/img]
Muhammad Ali as Saint Sebastian (patron saint of athletes)
[QUOTE=nox;37185137]Somewhere in this image a bunch of misfit mercenaries are pushing a bomb on a track up a hill.
[IMG]http://www.ribbonofroad.com/albums/album120/Kennecott_Mill.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17216535/TF2-IRL.jpg[/IMG]
baww late :(
[QUOTE=gman003-main;37404454]Oh, and just to argue the point further, [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Pocahontas_by_Simon_van_de_Passe_1616.jpg]here[/url] is an engraving from 1616 of the actual, historical Pocahontas (under both her actual name (Matoaka) and her Anglicized name (Rebecca Rolfe)). While the clothes are obviously British, the facial structure is *obviously* not "European" in any way (actually looks surprisingly close to the Disney movie - considering how much they got wrong, I'm surprised they did a half-decent job on the character's look).[/QUOTE]
She looks extremely dapper. Too bad about her lazy eye.
Manhattan before European colonization and current
[img]http://newtopiamagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mannahatta.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Number-41;37430637][IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17216535/TF2-IRL.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Someone has to make this a real map
[QUOTE=matt.ant;37427627][IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/15q6q7t.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm an American.
I never picked up a copy of Time Mag because the cover articles made me think they were crap.
Now I know that they're holding out on America, fuck 'em.
Wonderful work of brazilian artist Vik Muniz who is known for transforming things such as scrap and food into art
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/01601102000-C%C3%B3pia.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mona-lisa-vik-muniz11.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vik.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/catedral-vik-muniz.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/1-MunizMedusaMarinara1998.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vik_muniz_1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vm10486_pictures-of-garbage-irma-the-bearer_ddr.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Vik_Muniz-Sarah_Bernhardt.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vik_muniz.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DSC01455.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vik-2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.revistafotografia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DSC01465.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/2ytpe1l.jpg[/IMG]
Something about his musculature just looks... off?
A CT scanner without the cover.
[IMG]http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/ct_scanner_without_cover.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/s2twH.jpg?1[/IMG]
They are, but you already get problems with 200 kilo patients.
there's science in that shit
Ssht, don't disturb the science.
[IMG]https://mediastream.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Photo/Public/2012/1208172/1208172_04/1208172_04-A4-at-144-dpi.jpg[/IMG]
After the brewing process, the science is then packed to be shipped to various particle detectors for consumption
[IMG]https://mediastream.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Photo/Public/2012/1208172/1208172_05/1208172_05-A5-at-72-dpi.jpg[/IMG]
If you eat your science every morning, one day you could grow up to be as big as this guy.
[IMG]http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1474902/files/CMSrealSize5000_final_darker.jpg[/IMG]
Saturn, my favorite planet:
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/677231main_pia14619-946.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/682451main_pia14922-673.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/543560main_pia07800-43_800-600.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/682438main_pia14925-43_946-710.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/682851main_pia14924-946.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/622870main_pia14595-43_428-321.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/627880main_pia14598-946.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/633971main_pia14911-946.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/629434main_N00184721-43_946-710.jpg[/IMG]
Vortex on Titan:
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/168320main_pia09171-516.jpg[/IMG]
More Titan:
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/612920main_pia14913-43_946-710.jpg[/IMG]
Iapetus:
[IMG]http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/411065main_PIA11690-516.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Nutt007;37482136]Saturn, my favorite planet:
Saturn's[/QUOTE]
Didn't they run into problems with the satellite they put up long ago? Something about the data they got back was completely messed up, and they couldn't figure out how to decypher it or something something...
Mars is the 10/10 planet, Saturn is only 9/10
[img]http://maxcdn.zenpencils.com/comics/2012-08-30-armstrong.jpg?9d7bd4[/img]
I know we went through pretty much all the good ones a while back and decided to cut down a bit, but this one's a) new and b) topical.
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