[QUOTE=PMGSnipes;34991744]Nope, the gun matters very much too.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the gun matters, but not as much as you may think. But let's drop this, it's stupid and you should get some better knowledge about guns.
[img]http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9213/myweapon1x.jpg[/img]
the destroyer
[QUOTE=jomt1234;34992421]Yes, the gun matters, but not as much as you may think. But let's drop this, it's stupid and you should get some better knowledge about guns.[/QUOTE]
U dumpass, some guns hav better stats then others, cod told me so!!
[sp]Joking.[/sp]
I never said the user was not important. But the same user would get better results with a better gun.
[editline]4th March 2012[/editline]
But seriously, guns do have their own "stats", in the form of bullet groupings (bench rest), muzzle energy, rate of fire, and these things have an effect on the effectiveness of a weapon system.
[QUOTE=PMGSnipes;34993133]I never said the user was not important. [B]But the same user would get better results with a better gun.[/B]
[editline]4th March 2012[/editline]
But seriously, guns do have their own "stats", in the form of bullet groupings (bench rest), muzzle energy, rate of fire, and these things have an effect on the effectiveness of a weapon system.[/QUOTE]
This is a big giant, [B]no[/B].
The same user would most likely not get better results from a "better" gun. I know this, I own and shoot firearms on a regular basis.
If I have a .22 rifle, and I am experienced with it and can hit my target well. Shouldn't that mean if you hand me a Barret Mod .90, I should also be able to hit my target better right? It is a stronger, more accurate weapon that a .22 is it not?
Well no, it is pretty much all dependent on the user. Of course if the weapon is a piece of shit it limits how effective it can be. But if you are extremely proficient with a lot of firearms, lower grade weapons can be a lot more effective than you think. Relying on the gun's own personally capabilities is an awful, awful idea.
Skill > Gun
This is purely my experience with them.
please
snipes
you have no experience with guns
experience with guns will tell you that numbers are only half the equation
GT-M11 Assault rifle.
Here's the pastebin.
[url]http://pastebin.com/yuQmkNAc[/url]
Note*
The rail isn't mine. I couldn't fine the original creator of it.
[img]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9903/gtm11.png[/img]
[QUOTE=rovar;34994725]GT-M11 Assault rifle.
Here's the pastebin.
[url]http://pastebin.com/yuQmkNAc[/url]
[img]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9903/gtm11.png[/img][/QUOTE]
That looks badass, but I think that rail ain't yours.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6C1Tg.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=NightWig;34995083]That looks badass, but I think that rail ain't yours.[/QUOTE]
Nope, couldn't find who did it. :/
[IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/v598gk.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=the_killer24;34995127][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6C1Tg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Dat grip/stock. Lovin' it.
[QUOTE=rovar;34994725]GT-M11 Assault rifle.
[img]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9903/gtm11.png[/img][/QUOTE]
[I]Attempted[/I] to make it non-bullpup.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tCXon.jpg[/IMG]
Quite crappy.
[QUOTE=rovar;34993878]This is a big giant, [B]no[/B].
The same user would most likely not get better results from a "better" gun. I know this, I own and shoot firearms on a regular basis.
If I have a .22 rifle, and I am experienced with it and can hit my target well. Shouldn't that mean if you hand me a Barret Mod .90, I should also be able to hit my target better right? It is a stronger, more accurate weapon that a .22 is it not?
Well no, it is pretty much all dependent on the user. Of course if the weapon is a piece of shit it limits how effective it can be. But if you are extremely proficient with a lot of firearms, lower grade weapons can be a lot more effective than you think. Relying on the gun's own personally capabilities is an awful, awful idea.
Skill > Gun
This is purely my experience with them.[/QUOTE]
I never said that Skill < Gun, but Gun is still a very important aspect. If I hand you gun with a non-free floating, non-rifled 2" barrel and blocked iron sights compared to, say, a JP PSC-12 with a quality optic, you would probably get better groups with the PSC-12
[editline]4th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NightWig;34995083]That looks badass, but I think that rail ain' yours.[/QUOTE]
Rails are made by Hitman
More guns please. Less of the X is > than Y. :suicide:
☭Valkyrie Customwork meet Rifle of Kalashnikov☭
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6953945509_20696f07bc_b.jpg[/IMG]
Features include:
-Internally flared magwell
-Steel-framed polymer slick rail (Top rail has slot for iron sights to be used)
-Rail-safe Valkyrie Customworks dust-cover (Top rail has slot for iron sights to be used)
-7075-T6 Aluminium lower receiver compatible with AR-15 pistol grips and integral side-folding stock compatible with AR-15 collapsible stocks
-Integral Aimpoint Micro T1 sight mount with tunnel for iron sights
-Barrel formed from chrome-lined stainless steel M4 barrel blank
-Enhanced fire selector
-Enhanced charging handle
Magazine, logo, lettering, pistol grip, flash hider, Micro T1 and stock ain't mine.
[QUOTE=PMGSnipes;34997131]e[/QUOTE]
the fuck is that thing
[QUOTE=Crash15;34997484]the fuck is that thing[/QUOTE]
It's pissing on everything that Mikhail Kalashnikov makes.
"GREETINGS MIKHAIL! I SEND SEVERED THUMB OF DAUGHTER! I PISS ON ALL YOU CREATE"
Snipes, just stop trieing to be cool. It comes naturally.
[QUOTE=MEOWTFLOL;34997857]Snipes, just stop trieing to be cool. It comes naturally.[/QUOTE]
So now having an opinion is "trying to be cool"?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34998038]Those numbers are 100% bullshit unless you're sperging over LOL COD STATS BOOLET KILL U FASTER-esque bullshit.
No matter if you give me a Tikka T3 or Mauser K98kF1 I'm hitting the target. Sure the Tikka, a $3000 rifle, is a lot more polished and shiny, but the Mauser, a $175 rifle, hits the target just as well. It might not do sub-MOA groups at 200 metres but it sure as hell will rip up paper, down the elk or make the guy storming your house have a bad day.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that if I hand you gun with a non-free floating, non-rifled 2" barrel and blocked iron sights compared to, say, a JP PSC-12 with a quality optic, you would probably get better groups with the shit gun
A rubber dummy round has a lower chance of killing you than a fancy hollownose bullet.
A free-floated barrel helps contribute to better groupings (i'm talking about benchrest shooting where the operator skill is less of a factor)
A faster bullet gets to the target faster
A heavier bullet is more resilient to wind drift
A faster, heavier bullet will kill more quickly/with higher probability if you hit in the same area.
If all other variables are the same, the gun/bullet will make a big difference.
We are doing it again :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34998119]Are you retarded?
Those aren't comparable in any way.
[editline]5th March 2012[/editline]
A non-free floating barrel means jack shit in most rifles. It depends [B]entirely upon the platform and its intended use.[/B][/QUOTE]
That still means that the gun itself makes a difference.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34998351]Because benchrest is the only use for guns, right?
Rifles built only for precision =/= rifles for hunting, SD/HD, military, plinking and IPSC uses[/QUOTE]
I'm making the point that different guns yield different results given the same user and circumstances. That's what we're arguing about right?
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34998404]Please give me one example of when it matters to have these incredibly small numbers correct.
If you shoot guns only to win competitions by barely touching the trigger and having bullets land in a small circle 300 metres away then you're missing the point by miles.[/QUOTE]
Effective range. Bullet weight (to go through barriers such as glass, wooden boards, heavy vegetation). Muzzle velocity (at extreme ranges). Accuracy (at longer ranges). Rate of fire. Weight and size (limits amount of ammunition that can be carried, makes gun less mobile)
[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/20h3777.jpg[/IMG]
FUCK YOU NINJA PAGE 11
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;34998494]You're not a military MGB or sniper. Why would any of these matter to you???
Obviously you wouldn't carry a 10kg rifle when fox hunting or have a shotgun that spreads to 1m^2 on ten metres when hunting grouse, but seriously..?[/QUOTE]
I build military style weapons in PMG, and realism in PMG matters a lot to me so it does matter (to me).
And say I was a hunter
Trigger pull weight affects accuracy but may increase risk of accidental discharge
Muzzle report can alert animals of my presence
If hunting small animals, accuracy is vital
Powerful enough rounds are needed for a humane kill
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