Unpopular Opinions V5: "I still don't like Half Life 2." - General

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49660449]you do also know that breeding together "races" isn't going to get rid of race right? all its going to do is create a new race and then you're back at step one[/QUOTE] The goal is to create a new cultural identity. It is an alternative idea to ending intolerances to the currently proscribed methods. The current methods seek to give privileges to the under privileged which end up create a new class of privileged people based on not being privileged. Why try?

There will never be perfect equality, I still like your bold idea of equality (even though it is literally eradication of something which is quite extreme) some what but still, if we all looked for example 100% featureless grey humanoids we still would be hating each other for our differences, maybe not visible but there would still be differences, different ideals, different habits, different preferences. Also even in the utopia where everyone is 100% same visibly some would be poorer or richer than others, some would be more sick or healthier than others.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49660490]A fun quote from family guy, when it was good "Since I'm half black and half white, I'll be accepted by both sides!"[/QUOTE] Not true. Multi racial people tend to be discriminated by both sides. Which I believe is a problem needing to be addressed. [QUOTE]There will never be perfect equality, I still like your bold idea of equality (even though it is literally eradication of something which is quite extreme) some what but still, if we all looked for example 100% featureless grey humanoids we still would be hating each other for our differences, maybe not visible but there would still be differences, different ideals, different habits, different preferences. Also even in the utopia where everyone is 100% same visibly some would be poorer or richer than others, some would be more sick or healthier than others.[/QUOTE] I am not in disagreement. However if you want a truly equal society, a difference must be erased. This is what socialism tries to accomplish on a financial level. The complementary left says there is no difference between genders or no such things as genders. The left in America (Liberals, Democrats, progressives) seek to eliminate differences. If they didn't how else will equality be achieved? It can't.

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49660487]The goal is to create a new cultural identity. It is an alternative idea to ending intolerance's the currently proscribed methods. The current methods seek to give privileges to the under privileged which end up create a new class of privileged people based on not being privileged. Why try?[/QUOTE] i just don't think social engineering of the kind you suggest is going to work out. lots of stupid smart social planners have proposed various schemes on a large scale on populations. these usually don't end up working out well, and often end up causing a lot of misery for all people involved everyone from plato to marx has come up with similarly strange ideas and they're pretty abhorrent on closer inspection

Assimilation doesn't work. Besides the fact that people are usually pretty attached to their culture and background and will get upset if you try to take it from them, even if everyone was the same, people would still separate into their own distinct groups, not all of which get along. Don't forget that our species necessarily started as one race. edit: also trying to control who people have children with, even if by a gentle nudge rather than forcing them, smacks of eugenics, and that's a bad path

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49660498]However if you want a truly equal society, a difference must be erased. [/QUOTE] Is this a position you advocate?

Among the blacks the ones with whiter skin colour are respected while the darkest of them all is treated as shit. You can't just turn off animal hierarchical behaviour with crossbreeding, jeez. How about everyone just stays at their own country with their own culture? You can go anywhere and do whatever you want to meet other tolerant people. True unision will never happen, the closest we can get to is the European Union.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49660501]i just don't think social engineering of the kind you suggest is going to work out. lots of stupid smart social planners have proposed various schemes on a large scale on populations. these usually don't end up working out well, and often end up causing a lot of misery for all people involved everyone from plato to marx has come up with similarly strange ideas and they're pretty abhorrent on closer inspection[/QUOTE] In America, everything is falling apart. It is falling apart because there is no unity and too much infighting. This allows corruption to become rampant. My solution to end this "in fighting" is to create alternative methods to obtaining the goals of the established ideologies. The sooner we as a nation come up with new and unprecedented ideas, the better. Watching cat fights for power on tv between con artists whose only difference is if they have a "r" or a "d" next to their name is sickening. [QUOTE]Is this a position you advocate?[/QUOTE] My true position is stated above. My statement of erasing differences to achieve equality is an observation. Whenever someone says equality, this is what they mean. That or conformity.

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49659466]What do you guys think about government subsidies for mixed raced couples who have mixed raced children?[/QUOTE] Sounds absolutely stupid. Giving people money based on their race is silly.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49660625]The best solution is for all of humanity to understand and practice tolerance and open-mindedness, while also realizing that we are all together human. Those who don't should be shunned. They tend to be in this day and age.[/QUOTE] That isnt going happen and you know it. My favorite tactic of debating those who preach tolerance is create alternative ideas to the ideas they subscribe to. If they were truly tolerant, they would accept any ideas to achieve a more tolerant society with open arms. as long it achieves that end result. I have found so called "tolerant" people are very intolerant of ideas not mirroring their own. [QUOTE]Sounds absolutely stupid. Giving people money based on their race is silly.[/QUOTE] How is this different then what is happening now?

imo absolute equality and peace isn't possible so it isn't worth worrying about best to just try to prevent as much suffering as possible and let people live their lives as they will world would be boring without all that stuff anyways, not to mention from a biological standpoint a species with little variety is a species that really really wants to go extinct

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49660610]In America, everything is falling apart. It is falling apart because there is no unity and too much infighting. This allows corruption to become rampant. My solution to end this "in fighting" is to create alternative methods to obtaining the goals of the established ideologies. The sooner we as a nation come up with new and unprecedented ideas, the better. Watching cat fights for power on tv between con artists whose only difference is if they have a "r" or a "d" next to their name is sickening.[/QUOTE] so whats your alternative method unprecedented ideas and the like how will you make america great again

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49660667]Of course, none of these idea will [I]ever [/I]happen. People are dumb assholes. But it is a good thing to practice, as _charon said, to prevent as much suffering as possible and let people live their lives as they will.[/QUOTE] Good. If you want to practice an preach tolerance then go ahead. However all the excess political correctness led to what happens in EU. Refugees should be handled as responsible adult people, not like they are some children in kindergarden who can piss and shit where they eat. And as long as people can be led by mass propaganda media, you can't do much. [editline]3rd February 2016[/editline] Unless you become a charismatic leader like Adolf Hitler ofcourse.

People will never all look the same, you'll always be able to discriminate based on physical appearance. On the other hand all races will tend to be evenly distributed as centuries/millennia pass, until we reach a point where your race wouldn't carry any implication about your origin or social background. (If you wanted to give benefits to interracial couples it would require everyone to have an official race, and so you'd also have to have some sort of authority on race. Seems awfully counterproductive.)

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49660734]so whats your alternative method unprecedented ideas and the l+ike how will you make america great again[/QUOTE] The best I can do is encourage others to come up with new ideas. The marriage idea just expressed? It is an alternative approach to ending racism. If some one reads it and repeats it elsewhere, then it forces change. Even if a slight bit. Part of the reason the country is divided is minority rights. Alot of people (gay, non white, ect) vote for the left due to fear of the right and for good reason. They would vote for some one corrupt as hell (Hilary) to that they feel will more likely get elected, over a quality candidate who is not corrupt but they feel is not as likely get elected. There needs to be a new version of tolerance. The more choices those who feel threatened by the right are given, the better. If they have 5 different ideas how to achieve a better standing in society, they will have more candidates to choose from. The marriage idea I just expressed is an attempt to generate a brain storm in that direction.

The V1/V2 rockets were highly overrate in terms of their capabilities as a destructive weapon. They did help with the space program, yes, but in terms of use as a device to cause harm, the V1/2 did pitifully compared to conventional bombing.

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49660648]That isnt going happen and you know it. My favorite tactic of debating those who preach tolerance is create alternative ideas to the ideas they subscribe to. If they were truly tolerant, they would accept any ideas to achieve a more tolerant society with open arms. as long it achieves that end result. I have found so called "tolerant" people are very intolerant of ideas not mirroring their own.[/QUOTE] being tolerant has nothing to do with being fully supportive of every idiotic idea

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49660874]being tolerant has nothing to do with being fully supportive of every idiotic idea[/QUOTE] Nah dude, I was just throwing that idea out there. As for "idiotic" the key to determining an idea is dumb or not is the end result. If it turns into a parody of it self or gets questioned due to real world experiences (like the refugee crisis has done to EU views of tolerance)then it is stupid as hell. If it achieves results and sticks, then it is not dumb as hell. Many people I have noticed on both sides consider any view "dumb" on the basis that it doesnt agree with the one they currently hold. Even if its an alternative means of achieving the ideals they currently hold. [QUOTE] (If you wanted to give benefits to interracial couples it would require everyone to have an official race, and so you'd also have to have some sort of authority on race. Seems awfully counterproductive.)[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://multiracialnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/question74.png[/IMG] This already happens. What is your point?

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49660899]Nah dude, I was just throwing that idea out there. As for "idiotic" the key to determining an idea is dumb or not is the end result. If it turns into a parody of it self or gets questioned due to real world experiences (like the refugee crisis has done to EU views of tolerance)then it is stupid as hell. If it achieves results and sticks, then it is not dumb as hell. Many people I have noticed on both sides consider any view "dumb" on the basis that it doesnt agree with the one they currently hold. Even if its an alternative means of achieving the ideals they currently hold.[/QUOTE] it's also possible that the idea is stupid

frankly it's the kinda idea i'd use if i was trying to write an over the top non-dictatorship dystopia-pretending-to-be-utopia (i may have to steal it)

[QUOTE=Sector 7;49661033]it's also possible that the idea is stupid[/QUOTE] Read the post above yours. The idea is based on the same preferences of current liberal thought, it just achieves a different way. Most the of critiques of my idea are critiquing mainstream american leftist thought.

[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49661053]Read the post above yours. The idea is based on the same preferences of current liberal thought, it just achieves a different way. Most the of critiques of my idea are critiquing mainstream american leftist thought.[/QUOTE] this is an international forum, and at least half of the americans here aren't mainstream leftists anyways

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49660858]The V1/V2 rockets were highly overrate in terms of their capabilities as a destructive weapon. They did help with the space program, yes, but in terms of use as a device to cause harm, the V1/2 did pitifully compared to conventional bombing.[/QUOTE] More of a terror tool than a real way of hurting the enemy Although even with that, carpet bombings are much scarier

The V2 is an amazing concept but the technology just wasn't there yet. But it did pave the way for a lot of modern weaponry, so there's that.

There will never be world peace. As long as there is an opposite of something, conflict will ALWAYS occur, no matter how subtle or blatant it is. As long as there are Jews, there will be Christians. As long as there are Christians, there will be Muslims. As long as there will be whites, there will be blacks. As long as there will be democracies, there will also be dictatorships. Let nature take its course. Let the Third World be the Third World. All those traits of those countries which we all hate are reflections of that country's native religion and culture, just like how democracy fits right into the west. If we were all the same person under one united world, then we would really be equal. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;49654587]-star wars argument I didn't get to finish-[/QUOTE] Luke took three movies to become a Jedi. Rey took only one to become that + a step above Luke.

[QUOTE=GreenBH;49663129] As long as there are Jews, there will be Christians. As long as there are Christians, there will be Muslims. As long as there will be whites, there will be blacks. As long as there will be democracies, there will also be dictatorships. [/QUOTE] As long as there are fries, there will be ketchup. As long as there will be coffee, there will be sugar. As long as there are cats, there will be dogs. See? I can produce dramatic sentences too

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;49663144]As long as there are fries, there will be ketchup. [B]As long as there will be coffee, there will be sugar.[/B] As long as there are cats, there will be dogs. See? I can produce dramatic sentences too[/QUOTE] Sugar doesn't belong into coffee.

[QUOTE=Combine 177;49663280]Sugar doesn't belong into coffee.[/QUOTE] it's virtually the only way to make it drinkable

[QUOTE=Combine 177;49663280]Sugar doesn't belong into coffee.[/QUOTE] Woah woah suleiman you might need to slow down

Why does everyone think coffee without sugar or milk is bad? A coworker of mine accidentally gave me a cup of coffee with sugar last Saturday, and it tasted quite disgusting in my opinion. I'm not saying I'd not drink a cup for this sole reason, but it did taste pretty damn awful. I've drank coffee with milk a few years ago when I just started drinking coffee, but after a while I decided to drink black and never looked back really.