Unpopular Opinions V5: "I still don't like Half Life 2."
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People are way too afraid of being percieved as racist or sexist
[QUOTE=pdp;49134249]Great zinger, dude. Here I am, trying to be open minded to other peoples' opinions, and as usual, the only thing the community of Facepunch cares about is the little dopamine boost they get from ratings.
Why not try actually having a conversation with me? I'm not being any more antagonistic than anyone else is right now.[/QUOTE]
Here's my unpopular opinion: people who have a thin veil of openness need to be called out on their lies whenever possible. It makes people who are actually trying to be open look bad and makes the global conversation on any topic really shitty, and it allows bad people the opportunity to stroke their own ego.
For example, Christians vs. atheists, Republicans vs. Democrats, feminists vs. gamers, 60's era enforcers of racism and civil rights advocates...
That last one is something I think is important because reading back through time, a lot of people didn't take the genuinely oppressed seriously and were up in arms when people like Malcolm X started responding harshly. Worse than that, though, is that it creates a stereotype for [I]all[/I] white people because of the problematic ones, and I would say it's somewhat understandable within the social context to do that.
The only reason why I'm taking all this from what pdp said is because I've been thinking about this for a long while before pdp posted.
I think pdp was fine. if you get upset that something a decade old got spoiled on the internet, you need to grow up. You had ten years to catch up on it, so you probably didn't really care.
I don't have a problem when it's related to the discussion and it's an important concept. For instance, talking about classic literature often delves into spoilers. It's unavoidable with tragedies. But they have so much cultural significance that you can't say, "I can't believe you ruined Hedda Gabler for me." In fact, it might peak interest in reading the book. And when it comes to stuff ingrained in pop culture like Back to the Future, it's hard [I]not[/I] to spoil certain things and support a conversation.
The problem is when it's completely unnecessary and not very well-known. If you're going to spoil something, do it when it's necessary for the conversation to move forward. And I really don't think it's hard either way to throw in a spoiler alert for a lot of things. There's a lot of movies and series and stuff that I have an interest in that doesn't need to be spoiled, and often times I see spoilers that just get thrown in without enough importance to be justified.
I like Claptrap
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136708]I think pdp was fine. if you get upset that something a decade old got spoiled on the internet, you need to grow up. You had ten years to catch up on it, so you probably didn't really care.[/QUOTE]
fucks sake why do people even think this
do you actually expect me to have watched/read every piece of media that interests or MAY interest me that has been released in the past century
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136708]I think pdp was fine. if you get upset that something a decade old got spoiled on the internet, you need to grow up. You had ten years to catch up on it, so you probably didn't really care.[/QUOTE]
oh boy here we fucking go again
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49133557]"hey guys ive decided for you that you should have known this information after an arbitrary time limit that ive decided on myself. and if you dont like it, its your fault!!!" :downs:
protip: spoilers dont have a time limit. youre just an asshole.[/QUOTE]
i literally predicted you being an asshole in the exact manner that you chose to be, and yet you still have that holier-than-thou attitude.
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
pdp even changed his mind after being told why he was wrong, but i have a feeling youre just going to ignore every post explaining why youre an wrong, assuming youre not just posting bs bait and running away from the thread, like so many users tend to do.
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
oh, youre the same guy that posted this
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49134383][sp] tags do absolutely nothing because I will literally always click on them, to the point of ignoring other non-tagged posts nearby[/QUOTE]
i dont feel bad for you anymore. you deserve it, but just because you lack the self control to not click everything on your screen doesnt mean everyone else suffers the same problem. try to keep that in mind tyvm
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49136760]fucks sake why do people even think this
do you actually expect me to have watched/read every piece of media that interests or MAY interest me that has been released in the past century[/QUOTE]
spoilers are like the cold
you're going to be exposed to them if you talk to people
it's way more ridiculous to assume that people should control what they say to protect your experience of media
it would be insane to get angry at somebody for making a reference to [REDACTED] being [REDACTED]'s father in [POPULAR SPACE MOVIE]
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136917]spoilers are like the cold
you're going to be exposed to them if you talk to people
it's way more ridiculous to assume that people should control what they say to protect your experience of media[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49075038]what kills me is that even if someone does want to discuss spoilers, its literally just a 2 letter tag. its not even difficult, but no, its been a few days since it came out so everyone should have seen it by now. im the center of the world and everything revolves around me me me.
i instantly and permanently think less of someone that doesnt spoil tag their shit[/QUOTE]
im not going to write anything new for you because youre not saying anything new.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136708]I think pdp was fine. if you get upset that something a decade old got spoiled on the internet, you need to grow up. You had ten years to catch up on it, so you probably didn't really care.[/QUOTE]
You do realize I'm not an immortal being that's been around since the beginning of time, who's always been old enough to enjoy media for adults, and with complete free time and an awareness and ability to take part in everything that's going on at the moment?
haha you spent more time typing [REDACTED] than you would have spent typing [noparse][sp][/noparse]
why is it so fucking hard for you to grasp this lol
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
youre almost going out of your way to be a dick just because you can, and then blaming everyone else when you get called out for it
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49134367]holy fucking hell how many times is this conversation going to crop up
how hard is it to just put [noparse][sp][/sp][/noparse] around your post for fucks sake
like, its literally the easiest thing to do and yet there is an army of people hell bent on not only avoiding it, but blaming everyone for reading their untagged spoilers
what kind of backwards thinking mega cunt do you have to be to do that? just put the tags around your post and then post w/e you want, as long as you type those 4 little letters, nobody will care, but no i guess thats just too much god damn work for you isnt it
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
nobody is asking you to not post about spoilers at all. youre being asked to tag your spoilers. discuss all you want, just ffs tag your spoilers. its the shortest bbcode tag on facepunch, how the hell is it so fucking hard to [B]NOT[/B] be a cunt[/QUOTE]
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
[B][QUOTE=Anti Christ;49134367]nobody is asking you to not post about spoilers at all. youre being asked to tag your spoilers. discuss all you want, just ffs tag your spoilers. its the shortest bbcode tag on facepunch, how the hell is it so fucking hard to [B]NOT[/B] be a cunt[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49136947]haha you spent more time typing [REDACTED] than you would have spent typing [noparse][sp][/noparse]
why is it so fucking hard for you to grasp this lol
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
youre almost going out of your way to be a dick just because you can, and then blaming everyone else when you get called out for it[/QUOTE]
you are getting very emotional over me saying that the other guy wasn't terrible
being mildly sarcastic isn't exactly going out of my way to be a dick
I personally don't think this conversation needs to be this intense and I personally don't think that spoilers are as big of a deal as it's being made out to be, however it's still totally avoidable and I think the burden should go on the orator and not the listener. It's not that hard to lead up to a spoiler with a warning, or use spoiler tags in the instance of this forum. It really isn't. It's just being considerate and enjoyably social.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136999]you are getting very emotional over me saying that the other guy wasn't terrible[/QUOTE]
so are you done trying to explain why you think its okay to post untagged spoilers? im not letting you change the topic that easily
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
hey heres an idea: if whenever you see someone posting something you agree with, and then that person gets jumped on by everyone else for being wrong. and this happens literally every single time, maybe that opinion is wrong. literally every time this topic comes up, its 1 person saying "you shoulda known!!!!" and every single other poster claiming other wise. maybe youre in the minority because youre wrong. simple as that.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137003]hey heres an idea: if whenever you see someone posting something you agree with, and then that person gets jumped on by everyone else for being wrong. and this happens literally every single time, maybe that opinion is wrong. literally every time this topic comes up, its 1 person saying "you shoulda known!!!!" and every single other poster claiming other wise. maybe youre in the minority because youre wrong. simple as that.[/QUOTE]
My unpopular opinion: that's not true
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137003]so are you done trying to explain why you think its okay to post untagged spoilers? im not letting you change the topic that easily[/QUOTE]
it's okay to post untagged spoilers because in the grand scheme of things, it [i]really is okay[/i]
nobody has died and nothing is ruined, and if your enjoyment of a piece of media hinges entirely on a plot twist then you're fooling yourself. Somebody can tell you the ending to Breaking Bad but that isn't going to poison the incredible quality of the series, and to a certain degree, it doesn't matter how things end - only how they happened.
I'm not saying pdp wasn't a dick, because he was clearly a dick. you, however, are making me a little uncomfortable with how eager you are to try to turn me into some kind of television hitler.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137003]hey heres an idea: if whenever you see someone posting something you agree with, and then that person gets jumped on by everyone else for being wrong. and this happens literally every single time, maybe that opinion is wrong. literally every time this topic comes up, its 1 person saying "you shoulda known!!!!" and every single other poster claiming other wise. maybe youre in the minority because youre wrong. simple as that.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49137017]My unpopular opinion: that's not true[/QUOTE]
ill concede that its not an objective fact, but if you find yourself in the mass minority, you should rethink what youre doing, because you may be in the minority for a reason. hows that?
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49137023]it's okay to post untagged spoilers because in the grand scheme of things, it [i]really is okay[/i]
nobody has died and nothing is ruined, and [B]if your enjoyment of a piece of media hinges entirely on a plot twist then you're fooling yoursel[/B]f. Somebody can tell you the ending to Breaking Bad but that isn't going to poison the incredible quality of the series, and to a certain degree, it doesn't matter how things end - only how they happened.
I'm not saying pdp wasn't a dick, because he was clearly a dick. you, however, are making me a little uncomfortable with how eager you are to try to turn me into some kind of television hitler.
jesus christ[/quote]
hey there you go again, blaming the people that read your post for reading your very own untagged spoilers. why dont you put in just the bare minimum effort to not ruin things for people. literally the bare minimum effort to type a 2 letter bbcode tag. is that seriously too much for you to do?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137024]ill concede that its not an objective fact, but if you find yourself in the mass minority, you should rethink what youre doing, because you may be in the minority for a reason. hows that?[/QUOTE]
I'm never focused on if everyone agrees with me but if they can argue against me in a way that I can't argue back. Being in a minority is not a bad thing at all, in my opinion, as long as there's some social awareness.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49137023]nobody has died and nothing is ruined, and if your enjoyment of a piece of media hinges entirely on a plot twist then you're fooling yourself. Somebody can tell you the ending to Breaking Bad but that isn't going to poison the incredible quality of the series, and to a certain degree, it doesn't matter how things end - only how they happened.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with you to an extent, and where that extent ends is where you're suggesting that everyone should be the same way and experience things the way you want to experience them.
Spoilers aren't flat out prohibited in a social context. Simple consideration beforehand with a warning or asking for permission is fair.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137024]blaming the people that read your post for reading your very own untagged spoilers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]your very own untagged spoilers.[/QUOTE]
welcome to another exciting episode of "try to point out where sector 7 ever did the thing you're accusing him of"
first contestant you
[sp]you don't end up winning the prize[/sp]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49137037]I'm never focused on if everyone agrees with me but if they can argue against me in a way that I can't argue back. Being in a minority is not a bad thing at all, in my opinion, as long as there's some social awareness.[/quote]
perhaps i worded it badly. im not saying being in the minority is wrong, but if everyone disagrees with you, you should double and triple check what you think to see if maybe theres a reason they disagree with you. you may be right, and everyone else may be wrong. but you cant just say "oh, theyre right and im wrong, lalalala"
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49137037]
I can agree with you to an extent, and where that extent ends is where you're suggesting that everyone should be the same way and experience things the way you want to experience them.
Spoilers aren't flat out prohibited in a social context. [B]Simple consideration beforehand with a warning or asking for permission first is totally fine and should make both sides happy.[/B][/QUOTE]
and this is exactly what he is refusing to do because "you should have known them by now anyway".
Here's an honest question: why is Sector 7's entire personality being boiled down to an asshole when he's got this disagreement on one aspect of society? I mean, I disagree with him, but there are people way, way worse and absolutely insufferable in comparison to someone that's justifying spoilers.
From the get-go you seemed to be really aggressive with Sector 7 - I thought that maybe you had some beefs prior to that which I missed from how it sounded.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49137040]welcome to another exciting episode of "try to point out where sector 7 ever did the thing you're accusing him of"
first contestant you
[sp]you don't end up winning the prize[/sp][/QUOTE]
holy crap its a christmas miracle, you can actually use spoiler tags. why cant you do that when it actually matters though? seriously. answer that question and ill drop the whole subject. just give me one valid reason you can use it sarcastically, but not when its the polite thing to do.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49136917]it's way more ridiculous to assume that people should control what they say to protect your experience of media
it would be insane to get angry at somebody for making a reference to [REDACTED] being [REDACTED]'s father in [POPULAR SPACE MOVIE][/QUOTE]
this is not some crazy, almost impossible to follow rule that i just made up, if anything it's what most people already do. it's common sense and you've got some serious problems if you can't not spoil shit for people. is it seriously that hard to go "hey maybe these people haven't seen X, i should probably not tell them every character who dies before asking"?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49137050]Here's an honest question: why is Sector 7's entire personality being boiled down to an asshole when he's got this disagreement on one aspect of society? I mean, I disagree with him, but there are people way, way worse and absolutely insufferable in comparison to someone that's justifying spoilers.[/QUOTE]
because hes doing it our of pure laziness. nobody is telling him not to discuss anything, nor to take it elsewhere. only to simply use [noparse][sp][/noparse] tags when its regarding a subject that may or may not [B]permanently[/B] ruin/affect the way someone consumes a piece of media. it boils down to him being unwilling to follow social norms that most everyone else follows, using faulty logic to justify it, and actively ruining the enjoyment of others. that last part is biggest reason i consider him an asshole.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49137060]is it seriously that hard to go "hey maybe these people haven't seen X, i should probably not tell them every character who dies before asking"?[/QUOTE]
it depends on a vast array of variables including how old the thing is, how prolific it is, how culturally relevant it is, and who you're talking to - and the reality is that much of pop culture is based on some form of narrative media and what is and isn't appropriate to talk about is a massive grey area.
For instance, I wouldn't feel bad for talking about Luke being Darth Vader's son, but talking about something way more recent and dramatic like [sp]YOU CLICKED THE SPOILER EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS ABOUT[/sp] would be questionable.
Obviously, pdp felt that his was in the 'morally acceptable' area, and that's not really ban worthy. being a dickwheel is obviously but not the spoiler thing
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49137083]it depends on a vast array of variables including how old the thing is, how prolific it is, how culturally relevant it is, and who you're talking to - and the reality is that much of pop culture is based on some form of narrative media and what is and isn't appropriate to talk about is a massive grey area.
For instance, I wouldn't feel bad for talking about Luke being Darth Vader's son, but something way more recent and dramatic like [sp]YOU CLICKED THE SPOILER EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS ABOUT[/sp] would be more questionable.
Obviously, pdp felt that his was in the 'morally acceptable' area, and that's not really ban worthy.[/QUOTE]
except cowboy bebop hasn't even got 1/8th of the popularity of, regarding your example, what is possibly the most well known twist in film history
and besides it's not even an accidental "i thought everyone knew this" moment, it's intentionally spoiling shit and being a dick for no reason (which is, has always been, and hopefully will stay ban-worthy)
An example of a "spoiler" that isn't a big deal: Marty McFly plays guitar in one of the Back to the Future movies.
An example of a spoiler that probably isn't a big deal because of cultural significance and reuse as a trope: The shark explodes in Jaws.
An example of a spoiler that needs to be tagged: (Interstellar spoiler) [sp]Cooper meets up with her daughter just as she's dying to lovingly say goodbye after saving the world together.[/sp]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49137133]An example of a "spoiler" that isn't a big deal: Marty McFly plays guitar in one of the Back to the Future movies.
An example of a spoiler that probably isn't a big deal because of cultural significance and reuse as a trope: The shark explodes in Jaws.
An example of a spoiler that needs to be tagged: (Interstellar spoiler) [sp]Cooper meets up with her daughter just as she's dying to lovingly say goodbye after saving the world together.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Interstellar has been out for over a year, you dont have to tag it anymore. you should have seen it by now :downs:
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49137233]Interstellar has been out for over a year, you dont have to tag it anymore. you should have seen it by now :downs:[/QUOTE]
[B]EDIT for clarity[/b]: You're still not catching my drift.
If you focus too much on how you perceive someone to be awful, it's [I]very[/I] easy to make yourself look like a jerk in the process, and it's very easy to alienate them so much that they won't look from your point of view. This is why I've recently made an effort to dip out of conversations that turn nasty enough that I can't remain level-headed, and to ultimately remain more respectful when I talk to people. It's something I'm getting a lot better at, and something I think others should try to take on as a personal challenge as well.
I can't speak for others, but the way you're quick to try and tear him down and evaluate his entire being based on one aspect of his life - even if this aspect about him is dumb - is really off putting in my opinion. And I don't think anyone here is terrible - I just think you're a bit too wound up on this one aspect of him in a way that kind of defeats your purpose.
I mean, it is the internet and people can act however they want, but it really does seem like you're offended in some way that I'm not understanding.
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