Ak47 I like weapons that take innocent lives daily
Different situations call for a different gun. Both have their pros and cons.
An AK round is somewhat slower then that of an m16, but has a lot more kinetic energy, meaning less shots to take a target down.
However, the m16 is more accurate, and you would probably be able to put more shots in your intended target.
In a survival situation, without a doubt I would take an AK, because it's build parts has tolerances, meaning that it won't jam often, you can go extended periods of time without cleaning it.
And in a survival situation, the last thing you want is your weapon failing on you.
Free fire zone with my M-16, Vendetta burns inside.
Whipe out their lifes, for eyes unseen. Mercy chilled to the freezing opint, to the war!
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19652154]Hahaha "trusty".[/QUOTE]
Laugh, laugh, my dear sir, but I will be the one laughing when you get a facefull of buckshot
[QUOTE=JLea;19652994]ak47 is a piece of shit. the recoil is terrible, the 7.62mm cartridge has no real use over the 5.56 mm and you look like a somalian warlord.[/QUOTE]
The recoil is nothing, the 7.62 round has more stopping power and can punch through just about anything while still retaining decent accuracy, and there's nothing wrong with the looks bro.
Somalian Warlords are badass, just like Colonel Quaritch, that makes it cool
AK-47. Reliable and efficient.
AK47 for everyone!
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[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;19653121]Not kidding. Look at the bolt. Does not resemble an AR-18 or AR-15 at all. No buffer, it's like the AK. Please don't tell me that the SG556 is another "modified M16"
FYI, you can get about a 3 inch group at 100 yards from an AK, at most. AR-15 style weapons can go as low as .5 inches at 100 yards. The AR-15 op-rod in the piston gas system AR15s are extremely thin and easy to break. Not very durable.[/QUOTE]
My main point is it's nothing like the AK other than the fact that it uses a long stroke gas piston, and the bolt is the same as the M16, you're looking at the bolt carrier, seeing that it uses a long stroke gas piston and assuming it's a modified AK 47 bolt carrier.
Also, AR-15's don't use gas pistons unless you modify it to use one, they use a direct impigment gas system that doesn't use a piston, and they aren't going to break because they aren't in a place where they get beat on much, plus they're covered by the handguards. Shows how much you know.
[QUOTE=JLea;19653170]so what? doesn't make it any better than the m16, it just means it's cheaper.
and stopping power isn't very useful..[/QUOTE]
it's the difference of a guy wearing body armor turning around to look at who shot him and firing back, and a guy with body armor turning around to see who shot him while falling to the ground with a hole in his back. and the AK47 is the most reliable gun in the world, with few parts, making it easier to clean, take care of, and it won't jam if covered in sand, dirt, or put in water
[QUOTE=Maximo13;19653356]Laugh, laugh, my dear sir, but I will be the one laughing when you get a facefull of buckshot[/QUOTE]
I'll be laughing when it jams every shot and you have a hard time holding it steady cause it weighs ten times more than Pamela Anderson's tits.
Hrm...tough choice. The M16 is America's rifle, it's as patriotic as hotdogs and home equity loans. But I don't like the puny little .22 bullet it slings, doesn't really have any stopping power. Not only that, but they're quite jamhappy, even with the post-Vietnam modifications. Frequent cleaning is an absolute must in order to get it to work like it should. You can have a bajillion attachments, too, which I suppose is nice for someone who likes gadgets. It is accurate, I will concede that, and when it is working it's quite a nice piece. But the complexity of it's inner workings coupled with the fact that it looks like something Fisher Price dropped in a bucket of flat black paint just doesn't make me lust for it.
The AK47 may be a bit brutish, but that 7.62x39mm cartridge is going to put a HUGE hole in anything infront of it. You could probably go Elephant hunting with an AK. It's also plenty accurate, as I'm not going to be shooting at anything outside of it's 300 yard range. To top it off, you can bury it in sand for a year, dig it up, blow the dust out of the barrel/receiver, load it and it will chuck bullets like they day it was new. Couple that legendary reliability with the fact that a trained monkey could field-strip the thing and you have one hell of a trusty gun.
The most convincing thing, for me anyways, is how you look holding either of them. With the M16, and especially with a bajillion attachments, you look like some sort of CSS nerd. But with an AK, featuring nothing but polished wood foregrip/full stock and ironsights, you look like a badass motherfucker.
So I'm going with the AK. Reliable, powerful, more accurate than I need, and it makes you look like a badass motherfucker.
Ak-47 is a tough weapon that can withstand very much. It's also pretty powerful, and hardcore in looks.
M16 is a ugly weapon with just plastic.
Ak47.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;19653491]My main point is it's nothing like the AK other than the fact that it uses a long stroke gas piston, and the bolt is the same as the M16, you're looking at the bolt carrier, seeing that it uses a long stroke gas piston and assuming it's a modified AK 47 bolt carrier.
Also, AR-15's don't use gas pistons unless you modify it to use one, they use a direct impigment gas system that doesn't use a piston, and they aren't going to break because they aren't in a place where they get beat on much, plus they're covered by the handguards. Shows how much you know.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to the piston type AR-15s, from LWRC and POF-USA and whatnot. I was referring to the fact that they have extremely thin op-rods. DI AR-15s don't have this issue.
Anyhow, the Robinson XCR does use an AKM style bolt.
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XCR Bolt and Carrier.
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AKM bolt and carrier
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M16 bolt and carrier.
Note the lugs on the bolt.
I don't mind you bringing this up, but ffs please research this sort of thing before you say it.
By the way, the Robinson XCR can shoot 6.8 SPC, 5.56 NATO, 7.62x39, and also in the future, 7.62x51 in the XCR-M. Caliber can be changed by changing barrels, pressing takedown latch, sliding out the bolt assembly, changing with appropriate bolt assembly. Takes no more then one minute with some practice.
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Replacing the barrel means that your point of aim moves no more then 1 MOA.
AK16 or M47 :smug:
I assume you mean M16A4?
M16A1 bro.
[QUOTE=slippp22;19656110]AK16 or M47 :smug:[/QUOTE]
M47 the AT Rocket or M47 the Tank?
Took a while to make a description of both to find that I was ninja'd :(
[QUOTE=Carbon123;19656204]Took a while to make a description of both to find that I was ninja'd :([/QUOTE]
Who ninja'd you?
As a side note:
[QUOTE=mugofdoom]And any gun that uses a gas piston can do that, the XCR is nothing special.[/QUOTE]
This made me chuckle. In reality, a piston AR-15 will still explode in your goddamn hands if you do that.
for all of those who don't know how to properly identify firearms
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All jokes aside, I much prefer the AK-47.
It has a reliable firing mechanism, a solid wood stock and it packs a hell of a punch.
Whereas the M-16/AR-15 are hard to take proper care of even [I]if[/I] you clean the hell out of it every day, their stock is hollow plastic that houses the fragile spring mechanism, and has a hard time punching through, or at least hitting so hard it knocks the breath out of you, even the lightest body armors at distance.
But if the SKS was in there...
M16, it's less cliché.
Also, I'd rather have a Steyr AUG.
[QUOTE=KOHIO;19656293]M16, it's less cliché.
Also, I'd rather have a Steyr AUG.[/QUOTE]
AUG has an atrocious trigger-pull.
I like the Robinson XCR as a modern gun. Images ahoy.
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The prototype XCR-M. Obsolete, but only thing out of it so far.
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Robinson XCR, 16 inch barrel, with ACOG.
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XCR with 14.7 inch barrel, Mini length receiver. Dubbed the XCR-SF 2010.
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Original XCR-SF configuration.
I like the look and feel of the gun. I love the bullpup design and ease of changing barrels. An other plus is it is made by Steyr. Therefore is epic.
Ak-47, it is a sexy beast and a fighting machine.
If the US army used the Ak as their weapon of choice.... HOOOLY shit.
[QUOTE=KOHIO;19656391]I like the look and feel of the gun. I love the bullpup design and ease of changing barrels. An other plus is it is made by Steyr. Therefore is epic.[/QUOTE]
Well that's ok.
Anyhow, if I was going for a rifle that I liked because of it's lines and appearance, it has to be the FAL.
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Ak.
From what i've seen/read; the M-16 is incredibly susceptible to the elements. Even in vietnam soldiers would throw away their guns because they would jam constantly.
But they made advancements since then so i don't know.
I like the FN-FAL too. It's a very pretty gun.
The key talking points are this:
AK-47
Pros:
-Far more reliable. Virtually indestructible.
-Minimum maintainable.
-Incredibly inexpensive to manufacture.
-Notably more powerful, soldiers reported enemies taking up to 5 rounds of 5.56 before even noticing whereas the AK-47's 7.62x39mm round has ballistics similar to hunting rounds. Usually takes a person down in 1-2 hits.
-More effective against brick walls and cover.
Cons:
-Long stroke piston means there's lots of metal shifting around during the firing cycle, making it difficult to control.
-Barrel wobbles, reducing effective range to about 300 yards which is good enough for most scenarios.
-Poor ergonomics.
-Heavier.
-Ammo heavier.
M16
-Superior ergonomics.
-Far better accuracy.
-Direct impingement system helps the weapon be more controllable because there's less metal shifting around.
-Lighter, more precise cartridge has more range. Roughly 500 yards.
-Due to lighter cartridge notably less recoil.
-Can carry more ammo.
-Upper receivers can quickly and easily be swapped for different configurations and calibers.
Cons.
-Far less reliable, to the point where some consider it unreliable overall. Direct impingement system channels gas all the way back to receiver to cycle the action. This reduces recoil, but also dumps residue right in the guts. That can cause malfunctions.
-Needs very frequent cleaning for this reason.
-More expensive to manufacture.
-Considered by some to be underpowered (see above)
-Light round occasionally deflects or fragments against cover. Reportedly deflected by thick foliage in Vietnam. But this is unconfirmed. Certainly less effective against things the 7.62x39mm round can go through with ease such as cinderblock.
-M16a2 and a4 as well as M4 don't have a full-auto setting, only 3 round burst.
These are the basic points for your average AK-47 vs. M16a1/2/3/4.
But there are many variants for both. For instance versions of the M16 that use pistons, eliminating many of the reliability issues but in exchange making the weapon slightly more difficult to control. There is also the AK-74 which is an AK-47 but it fires a 5.45mm round similar in performance to the light 5.56 round the M16 fires.
There are compact versions. The M4 and AK74u respectively.
There are even 5.56 variants of the AK such as some Valmet rifles and the Galil.
There are even Subguns based off both platforms such as the Colt 635 and Bizon.
Not to mention sniper versions in varying calibers.
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