• AK 47 or M 16?
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M16. AKs are for spraying, not accuracy.
[QUOTE=V8Firebird;19697416]M16. AKs are for spraying, not accuracy.[/QUOTE] >Implying Spray and Pray is actually used in the military.
Ak47
The M16 is a far superior weapon in just about every aspect, only good thing about the AK family is any retard can use it with no prior training.
[QUOTE=Vityaz;19697807]The M16 is a far superior weapon in just about every aspect, only good thing about the AK family is any retard can use it with no prior training.[/QUOTE] Well, just about anyone can pull a trigger. [I]maybe not efficiently..[/I] :(
I wonder how many of the people who voted have fired both weapons.
[QUOTE=Crypto356;19696394]Hey guess what, the M16 has improved [B]a lot[/B] since then, and the main reason it was so rejected back then was because the M16A1 didn't have a chrome lined barrel, and the soldiers were given corrosive ammo, corrosive ammo lines the barrel and chamber with a salt powder that in time rusts the barrel, and when you cycle enough rounds through it without cleaning it, it would build up and get caked on, causing jams. [/QUOTE] I know, during testing they used IMR gunpowder(?) but when they where issued out at the field, they used a cheaper ball type powder(?), which played a major role in the early M16's problems. That's why I said "At one point"
[QUOTE=Vityaz;19697807]The M16 is a far superior weapon in just about every aspect, only good thing about the AK family is any retard can use it with no prior training.[/QUOTE] Sadly, all those aspects are nullified when you understand that you are NOT fighting an enemy on long ranges, where m16 excels. M16 limited firepower (particularly lightly armored targets (Jeeps/Hum-Vees, civilian vehicles, Helicopters)) could also hinder the users efficiency. Which brings back the point why carpet bombing > guns.
[QUOTE=Kawaii;19696269]AK-47: Will jam once in a blue moon. You will hit what you shoot at. Cheap. Cheap and plentiful ammo. It's deadly. M16: Jams. A lot. Is accurate, more accurate than the AK. Expensive as hell. Expensive but plentiful ammo. [B]Is not deadly. It fires a shitty round that cant kill anything.[/B] I go with AK.[/QUOTE] NO. YOU ARE WRONG. The 5.56x45mm round is DAMN deadly. In fact, there's a variant that's designed to drop STRAIGHT DOWN once it enters a target. Think about that for a second. You get hit in the chest, and all of a sudden, there's a hole in your balls. The standard variant isn't bad, either. It has a proportionally greater amount of propellant than the AK-47's 7.62x39mm round, so it will straight through you. Not pleasant, considering it can puncture multiple people at once. The 7.62x39 is going to stop at the first thing that it contacts once it leaves a person, unless you're firing practically point blank.
[QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19699275]The 5.56x45mm round is DAMN deadly. In fact, there's a variant that's designed to drop STRAIGHT DOWN once it enters a target. Think about that for a second. You get hit in the chest, and all of a sudden, there's a hole in your balls.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to compare some uber expensive custom tooled cartage that civilians probably can't obtain to a standard surplus round?
[QUOTE=Kawaii;19699365]Are you trying to compare some uber expensive custom tooled cartage that civilians probably can't obtain to a standard surplus round?[/QUOTE] It isn't hard to get 5.56x45mm. That's the M16/M4 round.
[QUOTE=wystan;19698271]I wonder how many of the people who voted have fired both weapons.[/QUOTE] *raises hand* Various models, makes, calibers, and in various conditions. I've had AK's stovepipe on me more than AR's. I'd say it's a 3:1 ratio. But I generally use shitty ammo with the AK's. But that says something about their cheapness.
AK 47 because there still is millions of them in warehouses around russia, and M16 will jam when you throw some sand and other shit on it. AK 47 will work better with sand and stones in it. Oh and they sell them with the price fo the weight of that metal what they are made of.
The AK-47, with it's usually short barrel, and powerful 7.62x39 round, tends to be inaccurate when fired either rapidly or full-auto, it's better suited to medium to long range accurate fire. It [B]will[/b] jam if improperly maintained. Clean and oil it after every time it's fired and, yes, it will NEVER jam on you. The AR-15, the father of the M16, M4, etc. With it's smaller 5.56x45 round, produces very little recoil, but its round lacks punch at longer range, it is better suited to close-combat where fast and accurate fire is called for. The rifles used early in Vietnam were very prone to jamming, this is where the M16 got it's reputation for jamming. Soon, however, with the improvements of the M16A1, and higher quality ammunition, it quickly rose to become that standard U.S service rifle everybody knows. And of course, just like any other gun, it will jam up if you don't take care of it. The AK-47 has a fairly heavy bolt, and a short buffer spring, anybody who has fired an AK-47 can tell you it has quite substantial recoil, and fired rapidly or full-auto, you will have a hard time controlling it. The M16 with its lighter bolt, and longer buffer-spring(all the way into the stock), generates a whole lot less recoil, it will still drift around when fired rapidly, but a good deal less than the AK-47. AK-47 drops your target in one or two hits. M16 drops your target in one or two hits, you just have to be a bit more accurate. AK-47 blows a big hole in your target at close range. M16 blows a hole in your target at close range. AK-47 is reliable as a rock if you treat it right. M16 is reliable as a rock if you treat it right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the AK-47 replaced as the standard service rifle with the AK-74? M16: In service since 1963 in spite of repeated attempts to replace it. Also, the AK-47 was designed with WWII combat still in mind, longer range combat situations were handled with rifles, short range combat situations were handled with sub machine guns. I may not have the encyclopedic knowledge of many others, but I do have firsthand experience with both of these magnificent rifles, I don't consider one or the other superior. You don't get a tl;dr. Comparing the two is like comparing the bow and arrow and a spear, both were deadly weapons of their age, and both were better suited to different tasks.
Add some H&K guns up there. Come on! Those german weapon put shitty American gun to shame. Guns were the only thing Russians got right.
AK all the way.
[QUOTE=Sitkero;19701260]It [B]will[/b] jam if [b][i]you weld the barrel shut[/i][/b].[/QUOTE] Fixed.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;19697425]>Implying Spray and Pray is actually used in the military.[/QUOTE] The insurgents spray and pray according to my dad. He was in Iraq for 5 years (on a 2 week leave every 6 -12 months).
[I]M 16 is awesome. [/I]
M16, I don´t know why, I just think it looks 100x times better.
Neither, they both suck.
M16, because AK47 is so old.
I pick AK47, as I don't like the plastic look of M16. Wood and metal. Yeah. I am judging them only by how they look, as it's only thing I can precisely judge. I never had any of these two in my hands. Gun holding is very strict in there.
I'd rather use my bare hands.
[QUOTE=leshrec1;19702353]I'd rather use my bare hands.[/QUOTE] Get killed
[QUOTE=V8Firebird;19702063]The insurgents spray and pray according to my dad. He was in Iraq for 5 years (on a 2 week leave every 6 -12 months).[/QUOTE] Your dad is wrong. Although they may be using automatic fire, they are [b]not[/b] "Spray and Pray"ing. The phrase spray and pray implies that you're just firing wildly, hoping that a stray bullet will hit something, which is not what anyone with any training in guns does.
ak47 and m16 akimbo.
M16A4. Better sights, more accurate, Tbar, STAGNAG mags, more ergonomic, easier mag switch action. [editline]05:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=adadadsd;19678061]If you know anything about actual guns, you'll know that Ak's are extremley reliable and easy to use while M16's are a mess.[/QUOTE] If you know anything about guns you know this lad here just made a total fuckup. [editline]05:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Inplabth;19702325]Gimme a G36C any day over either of them. But if I had to choose, I'd choose an AK.[/QUOTE] So you chose M16 then. Cause G36C is just M4 with shitty mags and horrible sights.
I don't know I've never fired/seen one IRL, have you? I think not... So why the stupid poll?
AK47, the M-16 will jam if even the slightest amount of sand gets inside it. With the AK47 you can run it over a bunch of times with a jeep and it'll still work.
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