[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067716]I don't know what I really did to get him so upset but I guess I'll just apologize for whatever it is.[/QUOTE]
apologize to owndered, buttsex, dori, and thehydra for harassing them with vile titles
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067693]what did we do to be wankers? i dont even know who you are.
in fact you insulted me when i said feminists did good in the world.
im the wanker!!!? you just straight up insulted me[/QUOTE]
Thisispain, stop. Whether or not you brought up a good point at first, you're just derailing now. And you're turning this thing into a mess that makes a YouTube comments page look like the Athenian forums.
I think there's a lot of unfair demonization of people on both sides of the political spectrum, to be honest.
Like some people said in the first page, having right-wing views can get you banned in SH and people tend to just insult and belittle those people instead of actually discussing their views and, I don't know, maybe learning from and understanding eachother? That's really shitty.
And then you have a lot of people who act incredibly antagonistic towards users with more progressive views, for instance, the infamous "sanius squad". Sure, they might come off as a little too harsh and aggressive but from what I've seen in a lot of threads most of the posts are complaining about them being assholes/taking stuff too seriously/what have you instead of trying to discuss the issue at hand.
All in all people here are way intolerant when it comes to opinions, they are so entrenched in their own views that instead of properly exchanging ideas with opposing parties they just ignore what their opponents have to say and go full ad hominem. If we just made an effort to understand where the other side is coming from I can almost guarantee that we'd have much less shitstorm threads.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40067733]Thisispain, stop. Whether or not you brought up a good point at first, you're just derailing now. And you're turning this thing into a mess that makes a YouTube comments page look like the Athenian forums.[/QUOTE]
no i think we're hitting a breakthrough here.
thats how group therapy works, we resolve our issues together
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067730]apologize to owndered, buttsex, dori, and thehydra for harassing them with vile titles[/QUOTE]
Can we not do this. Let's just have this whole shitstorm be over already, okay. Apologizing to them isn't going to change their titles.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40067733]Thisispain, stop. Whether or not you brought up a good point at first, you're just derailing now. And you're turning this thing into a mess that makes a YouTube comments page look like the Athenian forums.[/QUOTE]
I think the best solution here is dinojesus and pain to stop and just go to bed. And let other people come in and have a somewhat civil conversation.
Also im on android and rating is kinda hard. Did not mean to throw a box at you
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067749]Can we not do this. Let's just have this whole shitstorm be over already, okay. Apologizing to them isn't going to change their titles.[/QUOTE]
ahahah holy shit how about you be socially + emotionally mature and apologize anyway
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067749]Can we not do this. Let's just have this whole shitstorm be over already, okay. Apologizing to them isn't going to change their titles.[/QUOTE]
just apologize so we can stop the hate on this forum
im sorry dinojesus. its just ive had a lot of issues recently, and i reacted in a way towards you that made you feel angry or spiteful.
i just want you to know that i do think you are a good person at heart, even if sometimes you hurt others i like to think you are genuinely good. please forgive me
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067570]its the tone thats important dude
if people think you are racist when you say bad stuff about obama maybe you're just not saying it properly[/QUOTE]
I think this is a good example of why people don't like the SS.
The arguments are made up of "you used the wrong word/tone, so that's offensive/oppressive/racist" when things clearly are not meant to be.
Yeah you're right. I'm going to bed. Pain if you want to work this out just pm me sometime tomorrow and I'll give you my steam. Idk maybe we just need to get to know eachother better. I can better see now from your perspective and I can see why you might think I'm kinda an ass. Hope we can work this out somehow.
[QUOTE=Minimal;40067763]And let other people come in and have a somewhat civil conversation.[/QUOTE]
i apologize to fp for my posting.
ever since ive been here since jan 2006 id like to think i added onto this community, whether it was my gmod screenshots which won me gold member, to my comments in GD, and even to my advice in the social advice forum.
if i did undermine civil conversation its only because i am passionate and sometimes i can neglect others emotions like i did with dinojesus.
Oh my god this is actually happening.
[QUOTE=Gwandu;40066371]Dont you basically get banned for being conservative?[/QUOTE]
Shunned perhaps, but not banned. That said the conservatives that tend to do the worst are ones that don't make much of an effort to stand up for themselves, so it's not impossible to at least be taken seriously.
Using aggression to advance a political stance on a forum has worked elsewhere, and it's becoming a common strategy among people with particularly radical views. Quite a few folks on twitter and tumblr have made a name for themselves through their aggressive and confrontational attitudes. It's a trend that's happening all over the internet, not just here.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40067795]I think this is a good example of why people don't like the SS.
The arguments are made up of "you used the wrong word/tone, so that's offensive/oppressive/racist" when things clearly are not meant to be.[/QUOTE]
you can hardly expect other people to understand the context or meaning of your words if you dont make it clear.
language is about communication between two people, if someone on the other side doesnt understand it's a problem for both people not just the one receiving it.
Ah everyone's getting along now that's nice.
Problem at its core is that everyone takes things really personally.
I don't like the so-called Sanius Squad when they come in and start slamming on anyone with conservative views although I'm pretty liberal myself.
But they're not bad people. When you think about it, how can you hate someone over the internet? About 0.2% of who I actually am is reflected in my posts and that's true for basically everyone. Hate the posts, hate the argument, but there are very few FPers who are actually malicious or bad people.
As a radical leftist, I've noticed the opposite, actually: FP seems to be inviting more diversity of opinions. I have more resistance now to moderate left and left-leaning posts than I did 2 or 3 years ago. Before you could place most of FP in the moderate left easily. Now, it's difficult to make generalizations anymore. At one point, total drug legalization was rather acceptable to much of FP, now it's not. At one point, FP embraced progressivism and feminism, but now they mock it. I think that we've actually spread outward more, and it only seems more liberal because people here are actually moving right slowly.
[QUOTE=F T;40067809]Oh my god this is actually happening.[/QUOTE]
And its all because I wanted to see these two stop bickering. This is probably the most dramatic FP thread ibhwve ever been in. Holy fuck im going to bed. Hope it works out for dinojesus and pain.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067828]you can hardly expect other people to understand the context or meaning of your words if you dont make it clear.
language is about communication between two people, if someone on the other side doesnt understand it's a problem for both people not just the one receiving it.[/QUOTE]
Truth. However, sometimes it gets taken too far.
I've seen people go from seeing a poster use the word "bitch" to describe a genuinely bad woman to assuming that said poster was a hateful misogynist who was sickened by the thought of women being successful. I totally agree with you that clarity is important, but it's not fair to automatically assume the worst if someone isn't perfectly understandable.
It's beautiful. It's an example for the entire forum.
Wow, my lack of sarcastic intent in the previous statements surprises even me. This is actually really nice. Maybe the world [i]is[/I] made of love and peace....does this conflict with my paradigm? I might need a drink.
[QUOTE=Appellation;40067863]It's beautiful. It's an example for the entire forum.
Wow, my lack of sarcastic intent in the previous statements surprises even me. This is actually really nice. Maybe the world [i]is[/I] made of love and peace....does this conflict with my paradigm? I might need a drink.[/QUOTE]
Im right with you there brother
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067806]i apologize to fp for my posting.
ever since ive been here since jan 2006 id like to think i added onto this community, whether it was my gmod screenshots which won me gold member, to my comments in GD, and even to my advice in the social advice forum.
if i did undermine civil conversation its only because i am passionate and sometimes i can neglect others emotions like i did with dinojesus.[/QUOTE]
I'm Sorry for being so rude. I tend to post on 4chan a bit and as a result I don't always think things through real well before I say them. A lot of my steam friends and I communicate rather bluntly too so im kinda used to talking a certain way even in casual conversation. I can come off as a jerk as a result. I actually regret a lot of the past things I've said to you guys, I would take them back if I could.
Once I have some spare cash I'll change the titles to whatever they ask for.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067373]
but i think its dumb that i have to defend myself and "SS", or else people from fast threads [b]send me death threats, reveal private information about us, or harass us on steam[/b][/QUOTE]
Do they? I'm not familiar with this "Sanius Squad" but I think that it wouldn't make those folk better to come after you folks like that.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067877]I'm Sorry for being so rude. I tend to post on 4chan a bit and as a result I don't always think things through real well before I say them. A lot of my steam friends and I communicate rather bluntly too so im kinda used to talking a certain way even in casual conversation. I can come off as a jerk as a result. I actually regret a lot of the past things I've said to you guys, I would take them back if I could.
Once I have some spare cash I'll change the titles to whatever they ask for.[/QUOTE]
is there not a difference, in your mind, between "communicating bluntly" and derailing entire threads so you can show everyone how hilarious you are by wasting your allowance on titles for strangers on the internet you disagree with? why are you trying to make it out as if you were just being whacky and "blunt" when in reality you were just eager to impress your LMAO pics friends by harassing a bunch of random dudes because you disagreed with them
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067877]Once I have some spare cash I'll change the titles to whatever they ask for.[/QUOTE]
This is very nice of you
Holy shit I'm in tears... good job both of you...
You see, about the whole jokes and slurs issue.
I agree with what you're saying, like, I'd be willing to bet money that no one here really means it when they use slurs and make jokes and I don't think they're racist/sexist shitheads for saying it. But it's still (in my opinion) the kind of behavior that tells other people that making fun of people based on their race/sex is okay and they shouldn't worry about it.
Problem is that when someone says "you shouldn't say that it's racist" people tend to take it personally and become unnecessarily hostile, then it usually goes downhill from there. Which is what I think happens in most threads about controversial subjects like racism, feminist rhetoric, gender roles, abortion, etc.
That said, I have called out people on that in the past, and while I try to remain polite most of the time, I realize how it could be aggravating to some. I truly apologize if anyone has ever felt offended by a post of mine.
[editline]holy fuck[/editline]
this thread is beautiful
Wow, this thread took a turn.
If you guys really mean that, then i'm impressed.
[QUOTE=F T;40067951]Wow, this thread took a turn.
If you guys really mean that, then i'm impressed.[/QUOTE]
This is what happens when we look past our preconceptions of people we disagree with.
The fact that this argument has calmed down in just under 4 pages seems to say that FP is a safe place to discuss politics. I can't think of another website where a thread like this would end peacefully.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;40067968]The fact that this argument has calmed down in just under 4 pages seems to say that FP is a safe place to discuss politics. I can't think of another website where a thread like this would end peacefully.[/QUOTE]
/pol/ :v:
[editline]28th March 2013[/editline]
JUST KIDDING!
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