• Is facepunch getting too liberal?
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[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40066216] We've got hippies in favor of legalizing shit like meth, social justice warriors getting offended over the littlest stuff, and people ripping on religion every chance they get. Theres people ranting about white male privledge every thread, and there are male feminists who flame anyone who doesnt consider almost everything sexist. There's people who hate capitalism with a burning passion, neo communists, and diehard socialists. [/QUOTE] I don't really see any of this stuff outside of their respective threads, where obviously it's not a problem if that's the topic of discussion. If it's an Anita Sarkeesian thread, obviously privelage and feminism is going to be the topic, there is no real way around that. Most of these things don't even depend on specific political idealogy. Far right libertarians and far left socialists both agree that drugs in general, including methamphetamine, should be perfectly legal. Liberals tend to skew towards feminism and against religion because they aren't traditionalists, which most conservatives tend to be. Specifically about religion, I see the exact opposite on FP these days. Islam catches the most flak, but Christianity and Judaism is mostly defended from straw-atheists that people make up [QUOTE]A good chunk of the community acts like anything or anyone republican is satanic.[/QUOTE] The Republican party generally holds pretty awful ideas, and if you don't want my subjective opinion just look at polling. The American public [I]overwhelmingly [/I]supports progressive policies, it's not a surprise that on an international forum other people feel even stronger. The problem isn't that Facepunch is too far to the left of the GOP, it's that the GOP is ridiculously far-right and increasingly fringe.
A truly touching moment that will never occur again and be forgotten upon the first ideological division.
Everytime I've seen a thread about sexism or political views/generalizations it turns into a shit fest like this. Jesus guys, can we ever just have a quality discussion and not turn it into a shitfest with the same 5 people fighting every time?
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40068015']A truly touching moment that will never occur again and be forgotten upon the first ideological division.[/QUOTE] wow i disagree with that, my entire opinion of you has changed you are a poopface
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40068034]wow i disagree with that, my entire opinion of you has changed you are a poopface[/QUOTE] Oh boy here we go
Well this was an unexpected and lovely turn of events. Good on both of you, thisispain and DinoJesus. I'll throw an apology in to thisispain and Shadaez and MisterMooth and whoever else. I can get a bit carried away in SH arguments too. I've been attempting meditation and zen and stuff, and I'll get on Facepunch and resort to old habits of yelling at the opposition without really being aware of what I'm saying and it's something I'm trying to overcome with mindfulness. So, sorry for that, never meant to be aggressive as I was in some previous SH threads.
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;40068033]Everytime I've seen a thread about sexism or political views/generalizations it turns into a shit fest like this. Jesus guys, can we ever just have a quality discussion and not turn it into a shitfest with the same 5 people fighting every time?[/QUOTE] Sex and politics are important parts of human reality and the civilization we have built. Emotions run high and unbridled through the clumsy substrate that is text.
It seems like every few days or so we have discussions like these where the more moderate members of Facepunch come together to try to advocate a reasonable compromise by coughing up rhetoric about respecting each other's political opinions and all that jazz this is all fine and well and while it's true that you should not conflate etiquette with political views, a lot of people forget that the right-wing side of debates like these more often than not do end up to be objectively wrong so when the opposing side is arguing ad nauseum then it's hard to give them the respect they claim they deserve. This is actually a pretty simple concept but a lot of people don't seem to get it because I think that due to the meta-logical nature of most debates that center around language and culture, it's hard to find a need to separate these two concepts of etiquette and politics.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067806]i apologize to fp for my posting. ever since ive been here since jan 2006 id like to think i added onto this community, whether it was my gmod screenshots which won me gold member, to my comments in GD, and even to my advice in the social advice forum. if i did undermine civil conversation its only because i am passionate and sometimes i can neglect others emotions like i did with dinojesus.[/QUOTE] It's ok, thisispain, we love you.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40067693]what did we do to be wankers? i dont even know who you are. in fact you insulted me when i said feminists did good in the world. im the wanker!!!? you just straight up insulted me[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, that was you. And I don't know you either, you're just rather annoying, along with your cohorts. Not to mention the last time we crossed swords, I offered to agree to disagree with you, and you ignored me. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] Give me clocks, I missed the peace-fest.
good job fucking up a thread, this should be closed
Whatever happened to free-thinking? There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a different viewpoint than another person, as long as you don't trample over their opinion thinking yours is superior. It's why I refrain from stating sensitive opinions online Sure there's a lot of far-left thinkers here, and some are extremely to the left; but if someone has a problem with that, they should't post about it here. Just enjoy all of the other aspects of Facepunch that aren't biased. I personally avoid Sensationalist Headlines and the Mass Debate threads like the plague.
I dont think that Facepunch, as a whole, is getting too Liberal. But I do find them to be increasingly hostile to views that arnt the same. Which is why I hardly ever post in any political threads.
No way, tonnes of people are still pro-guns
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40067877]I'm Sorry for being so rude. I tend to post on 4chan a bit and as a result I don't always think things through real well before I say them. A lot of my steam friends and I communicate rather bluntly too so im kinda used to talking a certain way even in casual conversation. I can come off as a jerk as a result. I actually regret a lot of the past things I've said to you guys, I would take them back if I could. Once I have some spare cash I'll change the titles to whatever they ask for.[/QUOTE] late maybe but I think I'm gonna cry
I'm very independent in my thinking, and I see both the left and the right points.
Only thing that worries me is the nutters who support bestiality and try to argue that animals can consent, or that it doesn't matter since we eat animals so we should be able to abuse them, that stuff just irritates me every time I see it. That and people who are for smoking in public buildings and around children. Beyond those though I'm not too bothered by facepunch's political views [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Diago21;40069708]No way, tonnes of people are still pro-guns[/QUOTE] Technically that's liberal.
[QUOTE=Insulator;40068443]Whatever happened to free-thinking? There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a different viewpoint than another person, as long as you don't trample over their opinion thinking yours is superior. It's why I refrain from stating sensitive opinions online Sure there's a lot of far-left thinkers here, and some are extremely to the left; but if someone has a problem with that, they should't post about it here. Just enjoy all of the other aspects of Facepunch that aren't biased. I personally avoid Sensationalist Headlines and the Mass Debate threads like the plague.[/QUOTE] What's the point of having an opinion if you can't shove it down people's throats?
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;40066407]Yeah since 99% of Facepunch would crucify me for my political views I keep quiet about them[/QUOTE] Don't be! I have admitted on several occasions that I am a conservative, and I haven't been banned for it yet. Speak up, we could use more of a dissenting opinion. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] Also, I'm a little late to the party, but I'm just going to throw out an apology to thisispain really quick, for anything I may have done in the past, and for anything I'll do in the future.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;40071085]Don't be! I have admitted on several occasions that I am a conservative, and I haven't been banned for it yet. Speak up, we could use more of a dissenting opinion. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] Also, I'm a little late to the party, but I'm just going to throw out an apology to thisispain really quick, for anything I may have done in the past, and for anything I'll do in the future.[/QUOTE] We should form a facepunch opposition thread. That won't get you banned or anything! I'm not a conservative, but I do think that the way your lot has been treated here is piss poor, at best.
If I wanted to be a member of a rational forum, I wouldn't have joined FP.
I think I might of accidentally insulted conservatives at one point in the political compass thread, and I apologize for that.
I'm just tired of every other thread turning into a thread about misogyny and whether women are oppressed or not.
[QUOTE=F T;40067951]Wow, this thread took a turn. If you guys really mean that, then i'm impressed.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to derail anymore, but I'd just like to say that I'm serious about my apology. Until now I hadn't really considered what I said from there point of view. You know how when you're angry at someone, you start forgetting they're human too. That's kinda what I did, and this thread helped me realize how much of an ass I was being. I hope people will forgive me.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40073161]I don't mean to derail anymore, but I'd just like to say that I'm serious about my apology. Until now I hadn't really considered what I said from there point of view. You know how when you're angry at someone, you start forgetting they're human too. That's kinda what I did, and this thread helped me realize how much of an ass I was being. I hope people will forgive me.[/QUOTE] It's easy to forget the humanity of someone when you are reading words on a page. This tends to result in really nasty arguments that leaves both sides feeling angry and unfulfilled. Something that also gets lost in politics is that in reality, both sides are the same, in a way. Both sides each hold their own beliefs strongly, and from what I've seen, they both think their opposition to be idiotic. Personally, I think that if we take into account the ways we are similar than in how we are different, the conflicts will be less intense and more civil, which is how they should be.
A lot of people tend to flame or get stupid because they simply don't understand what they're reading or even what another person is trying to say. I think a lot of people like to just to be washy when it comes to their ideas because they often go back and forth. One day they could be like fuck gov't, the next day they're like yay gov't for this. Some people feed off of drama and like negative attention. Mean while some people like a good debate and use that as an opportunity to expand their views. Others just don't see the point or benefit of getting in a flame-fest or ciricle jerk because it isn't really productive. Though me personally I think all political parties have good ideas and bad, I try not to label myself in any form because I believe in ideas that are effective, make sense, and will overall benefit people. Though I think a lot of people who do come to this form are liberal because they're more often then not exposed to information that shows the very controlling and negative side to things. They become informed to a certain degree and are willing to debate and argue for 40 fucking pages, but they will not take that passion and transfer it the outside world. It is like Internet Activism is just a easy way for people to make themselves feel better because they took a stance online vs actually doing something about it and changing it.
Only thing that really irks me is hostility towards people because they're Christian or conservative or something. I'm personally not much of either one, but, growing up in the south, those people have been my close family and friends. Because of that, I have the first-hand knowledge that they're just as kind and intelligent as anyone else. It's to the point on many communities I've seen, that it's basically discrimination that is praised and accepted by the same people who pride themselves on their opinions of racial and gender equality.
I just wish mods could get banned for the same stuff regular users do. I'm so tired of Rusty repeatedly starting stupid arguments in random threads that have hardly anything to do with the subject. Did a gun kill/hurt/exist? Rusty and his terrible, provocative attitude are on the case!
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;40079283]I just wish mods could get banned for the same stuff regular users do. I'm so tired of Rusty repeatedly starting stupid arguments in random threads that have hardly anything to do with the subject. Did a gun kill/hurt/exist? Rusty and his terrible, provocative attitude are on the case![/QUOTE] Exactly, this kind of shit really ticks me off [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1243138&p=39389249&viewfull=1#post39389249[/url] It was obvious he was comparing Ahmadinejad to a monkey because he's a renowned idiot, not because he's Persian Then Starpluck reluctantly unbans him and pulls a eugenics-esque lecture out of his ass: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1243138&p=39390442&viewfull=1#post39390442[/url] Absolutely nobody at any time in that thread did anybody at all blatantly or even subtly compare or imply his racial features to the likeness of a monkey How can he ban for racism when [B]Starpluck is the one who came up with that correlation in the first place[/B] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1243138&p=39405079&viewfull=1#post39405079[/url] if it was such a non-issue and a mistunderstanding in the first place then why did he post the pseudoscience shit and still insist the image was posted with racial intent, then close the thread when it was getting better? Then again, he's one of [I]those[/I] people who thinks [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1253525&p=39901119&viewfull=1#post39901119"]racism doesn't exist against white people[/URL] while it is well known Ahmadinejad is quite the anti-semite, and that Mugabe orders the beatings of white farmers, not to mention the exclusively black christian organisations in America who openly incite hate against white people. It takes some extreme, if not almost willful ignorance to not be aware of injustice against [B]all[/B] races across the globe. I'm not even white and i'm pointing this shit out, and I really could go on but this isn't the place Sorry about the rant, but I had to put it somewhere man am I tired and cranky On-topic though, I can barely call this place liberal when it refuses to take in any degree of conservative viewpoint but will gladly hear out anything from the left, much like a lot of other web communities
[QUOTE=barttool;40068141]It's ok, thisispain, we love you.[/QUOTE] thisispain is a gigantic cunt and I misread his name as "thespian" for about a year before I realized what it actually said. He can go get hit by a car, or a bus if he really felt like it.
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