• So hating someone's religion is not okay?
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[QUOTE=Keysle;28950297]This is a great thread. What are you talking about?[/QUOTE] Thread?
[QUOTE=Time Itself;28950284]A Muslim in a non-Islamic country can't not do that, if a Muslim wanted to do that sorta thing in another country, they could, if they thought like that. But not every Muslim thinks that way, I'm good friends with 2 of the 5 I know and they're some of the nicest people I've ever met.[/QUOTE] we've made a full circle around this [editline]2nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28950315]Thread?[/QUOTE] is this not a thread?
Well we all know that even mentioning religion will spark some sort of clusterfuck. Let thread die
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950336] is this not a thread?[/QUOTE] Sure as hell doesn't seem like one. At least not one worth noting. Its at 69 now, let's just leave it there.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;28950175]You can hate whatever you want. Nobody will stop you.[/QUOTE] depends upon location shit. how do i unVote? Can't really say i disagree, because you can hate in secret
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;28950347]Well we all know that even mentioning religion will spark some sort of clusterfuck. [/QUOTE] The fuck did you expect? This is a thread related to religions.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;28950347]Well we all know that even mentioning religion will spark some sort of clusterfuck. Let thread die[/QUOTE] Cluster fucks is all i live for. I should probably go to a religious website then... but then you don't have the diversity for debate :( FURRRRRRK... i was having fun
You're a cunt. Its barely worth hating someone for attacking your beliefs or even your body. You're not allowed to hate someone for merely having beliefs. Unless you don't mind people thinking you're a cunt.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950370]The fuck did you expect? This is a thread related to religions.[/QUOTE] Which violates forum rules for the exact reason I just said.
[QUOTE=Crimor;28950270]He had one to start with?[/QUOTE] A couple points he made... That people shouldn't hate him because he hates something that he believes should be hated. The demographic he wished to hate without opposition (from the non-demographic of course) was Quran obedient Muslims.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950389]You're a cunt. Its barely worth hating someone for attacking your beliefs or even your body. You're not allowed to hate someone for merely having beliefs. Unless you don't mind people thinking you're a cunt.[/QUOTE] I believe that I must exterminate everyone on this earth. It's my own belief afterall, don't hate me please :downs:
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950424]A couple points he made... That people shouldn't hate him because he hates something that he believes should be hated. The demographic he wished to hate without opposition (from the non-demographic of course) was Quran obedient Muslims.[/QUOTE] Dammit, it was on post 69.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950434]I believe that I must exterminate everyone on this earth. It's my own belief afterall, don't hate me please :downs:[/QUOTE] Nobody would be justified in hating you for holding that belief. Freedom of thought is absolutely integral to one's wellbeing. Acting on your beliefs without respecting other people's is questionable, but people having their own beliefs is not only necessary but desirable.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;28950211]I don't really get why people believe in some religion and refuse to give it up even when threatened with death and killed for refusing to give it up. There was a crusader captured by the Turks, and they said he either had to give up Christianity or be executed, he very sensibly chose to give up his religion as all people in such situations should.[/QUOTE] Hmmm. Let's see. Maybe because they believed back then that God controlled pretty much every aspect of their lives. You can't give up something that forms the basis of your life, as well as serving to stop the entire middle age serf population from rising up and killing the clergy/nobles. The whole 'heaven' thing might have something to do with it too. ...But of course, you're right. (not really) Also, StormFuhrer, if every follower of Islam killed a non-believer, don't you think that they'd be considered a threat to every other country? THE REASON THEY AREN'T IS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH AGREED, EXCEPT BY EXTREMIST CULTS, THAT THE RULE IS OUTDATED, AND CARRIED OVER FROM A TIME WHEN IT WAS PRETTY MUCH NECESSARY BECAUSE CHRISTIANS WOULD BE KILLING MUSLIMS LEFT AND RIGHT.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950389]You're a cunt. Its barely worth hating someone for attacking your beliefs or even your body. You're not allowed to hate someone for merely having beliefs. Unless you don't mind people thinking you're a cunt.[/QUOTE] I would definitely disagree with how much it's "worth" Religion is a major contributor to just how far social structure can get. Leaving room for division leads room for deterioration. Project this by a couple of generations and a 1 world hold on reality will ALWAYS out race a world divided up 1000 different ways. Why do you think most of these religions involve their god wiping out others? Because EVERYONE knows we have to come to a singularity in understanding or else we'll all just fuckin' die because we can't work well enough together. [editline]2nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Robbobin;28950473]Nobody would be justified in hating you for holding that belief. Freedom of thought is absolutely integral to one's wellbeing. Acting on your beliefs without respecting other people's is questionable, but people having their own beliefs is not only necessary but desirable.[/QUOTE] Wow... How ... Constitutional of you
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950479]I would definitely disagree with how much it's "worth" Religion is a major contributor to just how far social structure can get. Leaving room for division leads room for deterioration. Project this by a couple of generations and a 1 world hold on reality will ALWAYS out race a world divided up 1000 different ways. Why do you think most of these religions involve their god wiping out others? Because EVERYONE knows we have to come to a singularity in understanding or else we'll all just fuckin' die because we can't work well enough together.[/QUOTE] Well maybe the world would be better if religion disappeared tomorrow. I'd be one of the first to say more openmindedness to these matters would be absolutely fantastic. But I'd rather live in a world where people hold some irrational beliefs than one where they're forced to divorce themselves from them. 1984 much?
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28950476]Hmmm. Let's see. Maybe because they believed back then that God controlled pretty much every aspect of their lives. You can't give up something that forms the basis of your life, as well as serving to stop the entire middle age serf population from rising up and killing the clergy/nobles. The whole 'heaven' thing might have something to do with it too. ...But of course, you're right. (not really) Also, StormFuhrer, if every follower of Islam killed a non-believer, don't you think that they'd be considered a threat to every other country? THE REASON THEY AREN'T IS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH AGREED, EXCEPT BY EXTREMIST CULTS, THAT THE RULE IS OUTDATED, AND CARRIED OVER FROM A TIME WHEN IT WAS PRETTY MUCH NECESSARY BECAUSE CHRISTIANS WOULD BE KILLING MUSLIMS LEFT AND RIGHT.[/QUOTE] No. You get your face poured with acid by the Iranian Police in Iran if you don't wear a turban/cover your head.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28949491]Islam. It's not a sin if you kill a non-believer according to their book. Now, why the fuck can't I hate this religion? To people who call me racist. FUCK YOU. A deep, emotional FUCK YOU. I can hate a religion. Even if it's on the peace side. "You should respect people's thoughts :smith:" OH YEAH? Then I'll fucking create a satanist-like cult. We will believe in a God who orders us to kill everyone we find. "Respect our thoughts" God damnit.[/QUOTE] just because it's not a sin in their book, doesn't mean they encourage it. Hate is a very strong word, while you might disagree with what they believe it's dumb to hate someone for it. Yes you should respect someone's beliefs. beliefs =/= actions. If someone believes that killing is okay, that's fine. It's when they actually DO kill that it's a problem. And you can't just "create" a cult like that and say that you should be respected in the same way. The fact that you created this thread means that you obviously wouldn't actually believe what that cult would teach, invalidating the point of having a belief system
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950526]Well maybe the world would be better if religion disappeared tomorrow. I'd be one of the first to say more openmindedness to these matters would be absolutely fantastic. But I'd rather live in a world where people hold some irrational beliefs than one where they're forced to divorce themselves from them. 1984 much?[/QUOTE] No on said FORCE. (goddammit i get this all the time) The desire/interest/motivation is determined by the experience. Experience that comes from seeing patterns. Guide the experience, and people will WILLINGLY fall into place. And this isn't an overnight thing.
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950479]Wow... How ... Constitutional of you[/QUOTE] I don't follow?
The fact that you're all arguing about make believe things is why humans won't be around for too much longer. :P
[QUOTE=Pavarotti;28950563] . It's when they actually DO kill that it's a problem. [/QUOTE] They actually DO it.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950583]I don't follow?[/QUOTE] He's surprised that you support freedom of thought as was written in the American Constitution.
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950572]No on said FORCE. (goddammit i get this all the time) The desire/interest/motivation is determined by the experience. Experience that comes from seeing patterns. Guide the experience, and people will WILLINGLY fall into place. And this isn't an overnight thing.[/QUOTE] No-one said force? The whole thread is based on the idea of hating religion. The OP sounds like he'd be well up for forcing it.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950599]They actually DO it.[/QUOTE] Then you can attack THOSE people. Not the entirety of a religion for the actions of a group.
[QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28950608]He's surprised that you support freedom of thought as was written in the American Constitution.[/QUOTE] Oh I see. Never read it. My beliefs on freedom of thought stem mostly from J S Mill.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950633]Oh I see. Never read it. My beliefs on freedom of thought stem mostly from J S Mill.[/QUOTE] I'm not even sure what point he was trying to make, I just understand the reference.
He knew freedom of thought before it was mainstream.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950599]They actually DO it.[/QUOTE] The extremists yes. Not every single muslim.
[QUOTE=Pavarotti;28950659]The extremists yes. Not every single muslim.[/QUOTE] The non-violent ones are not Muslims. If you are a Muslim, you must brainwash all of the non-believers. It's a rule of Islam, it's also in qur'an.
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