[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950583]I don't follow?[/QUOTE]
@"Nobody would be justified in hating you for holding that belief."
Justified according to what?
The constitution.
But knowing people, letting a belief grow large enough will almost ALWAYS break out into action.
Beliefs can be passed down to kids and spread to neighbors. Dangerous ideas like "Rape Gang Religion" go unchecked because they are ONLY beliefs... and next thing you know is Lincoln Park all over again.
Basically what sturmfuhrer is saying is
he hates every muslim who is violent
however he doesn't hate other people who call themselves muslims who aren't violent.
so he only hates a small minority, that everyone else already hates anyway. so what's the point in this thread
[QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28950608]He's surprised that you support freedom of thought as was written in the American Constitution.[/QUOTE]
not freedom of thought.
and I'm not surprised.
Freedom of blind belief is what I'm concerned with and this is talked about in the American Scripture.
*** see what I did there ? ***
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950701]They non-violent ones are not Santa. If you are a Unicorn, you must brainwash all of the non-believers. It's a rule of Mike Tyson, it's also in Necronomicon.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28950648]I'm not even sure what point he was trying to make, I just understand the reference.[/QUOTE]
I was going to steer this into a thread about globalization.
[QUOTE=Sturmfuhrer;28950701]They non-violent ones are not Muslims. If you are a Muslim, you must brainwash all of the non-believers. It's a rule of Islam, it's also in qur'an.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure most people that identify as Muslim don't do that. If you don't count them, then fair enough. I find that silly but that doesn't matter since it isn't related to what you're saying.
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950710]@"Nobody would be justified in hating you for holding that belief."
Justified according to what?
The constitution.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to the constitution. If I was referring to anything, I was referring to this:
[url]http://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.htm[/url]
"First: the opinion which it is attempted to suppress by authority may possibly be true. Those who desire to suppress it, of course deny its truth; but they are not infallible. They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging. To refuse a hearing to an opinion, because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that their certainty is the same thing as absolute certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility. Its condemnation may be allowed to rest on this common argument, not the worse for being common."
[QUOTE=GeneralSanchez;28950629]Then you can attack THOSE people.
Not the entirety of a religion for the actions of a group.[/QUOTE]
He's not attacking the entirety of the religion...
I am
[QUOTE=Keysle;28950745]not freedom of thought.
and I'm not surprised.
Freedom of blind belief is what I'm concerned with and this is talked about in the American Scripture.
*** see what I did there ? ***[/QUOTE]
It makes no bit of difference whether a belief is justified or not: people should be allowed to believe absolutely anything they like.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950769]I wasn't referring to the constitution. If I was referring to anything, I was referring to this:
[url]http://www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.htm[/url]
"First: the opinion which it is attempted to suppress by authority may possibly be true. Those who desire to suppress it, of course deny its truth; but they are not infallible. They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging. To refuse a hearing to an opinion, because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that their certainty is the same thing as absolute certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility. Its condemnation may be allowed to rest on this common argument, not the worse for being common."[/QUOTE]
Your carrying of it onto beliefs is the constitutional parallel that I disagree with.
Thanks for the source
[editline]2nd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Robbobin;28950797]It makes no bit of difference whether a belief is justified or not: people should be allowed to believe absolutely anything they like.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does. because if you have 500,000,000 people that believe child rape is legit.
450,000,000 probably get their chance.
I really wish they could just maintain their beliefs for the entirety of their lives and not act upon them, but respecting the odds, that's not going to happen.
It's kinda like telling a boy that it's OKAY to WANT to masturbate, BUT NO!!! GOD FORBID IF YOU WANK OFF!!!
The thought alone builds steam enough for action to be plotted.
*** yes it's okay to masturbate ... i'm just making an example... carry on ***
A++ thread.
Pro tip: Try reading the real book instead of yahoo answers and "internet quran"
ITT uninformed kids discuss religions they don't understand.
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