Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be - General

Like the show is about 3 dolts that love jawbreakers and the most assertive one is a schemer, what exactly is it that's supposed to be different It's like condensing early spongebob to "spongebob and Patrick do something stupid that piss people off" or "batman beats the bad guy" or "spider-man saves the day" It's what the shows are about.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857457]Like the show is about 3 dolts that love jawbreakers and the most assertive one is a schemer, what exactly is it that's supposed to be different It's like condensing early spongebob to "spongebob and Patrick do something stupid that piss people off" or "batman beats the bad guy" or "spider-man saves the day" [B] It's what the shows are about.[/B][/QUOTE] And it's bland and repetitive because of it.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50857443]Was this ever actually stated by anyone? Sector 7 said unlikable, not dumb[/QUOTE] "Completely awful cartoons" Then when I said the mc are characteristically dumb/unintelligent he's all "exactly they're terrible!" [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hoodoo456;50857466]And it's bland and repetitive because of it.[/QUOTE] Theres not many anthology shows I can think to recommend, especially none that aren't horror but you might enjoy that type

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857398]So shows with dumb main characters are automatically bad? Characters have to be intellectuals or they're "terrible"?[/QUOTE] let's play: spot the massive leap in logic if I was going to call a cartoon character stupid, it would be because they are annoying and poorly-thought-out gag delivery mechanisms with no empathy or problem-solving ability, not because the characters aren't literally smart.

That's basically what it is though, empathy and problem solving are part of intelligence, and there's no reason Beavis and Butthead would have either qualities, those qualities are present in the supporting characters for a reason. Also Ren had those qualities besides being dumb from time to time. [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] I don't even get "gag delivery", they don't go around throwing zingers or something. Sure sometimes they respond to something saying something retarded but usually the humor comes from their actions and the effects it has on the people around them, typically unwittingly causing problems [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] Also what about Daria then? Didn't watch it but it's a spinoff of the smartest character

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857529]That's basically what it is though, empathy and problem solving are part of intelligence, and there's no reason Beavis and Butthead would have either qualities, those qualities are present in the supporting characters for a reason. Also Ren had those qualities besides being dumb from time to time.[/QUOTE] the problem is, that in a stupid cartoon, the main characters appear to have no power to try and find reasonable solutions to problems. They're static and uninteresting, which is a deadly combo when combined with grating voicework. The events of the cartoon merely happen [i]to[/i] them. Hey Arnold can do an excellent episode about a side character (i.e. 'Harold the Butcher'), as can Spongebob ('Squidville'), without ever attempting to be zany or overacted, or needing to have wacky events happen to distract the viewer. These are great shows because they have great characters, and they don't try to constantly cross their own lines. They're consistent and thoughtful and they deliver punchlines cleanly, without being predictable; and the design of their content is reflected in their clean artstyles and voiceover delivery. R&S, on the other hand, is so chaotic as to become predictable. It's dirty and striking, and groundbreaking in the sense of its cultural context, but it isn't very well structured and is more or less offensive to the senses.

Squidville literally followed a secondary character for like 80% of its run time Would you prefer a beavis and butthead episode about their teacher?

Also things "happening" to B&Bh isn't true, they personally cause the conflicts 9 in 10 times

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50857613]If you guys are looking for good cartoons, Venture Bros. is the pinnacle of super hero cartoons[/QUOTE] Star Trek the animated series [sp]The pinnacle of 'wait, this exists?[/sp]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;50857627]tbh i think the episode where they were on the bus the whole time was basically a van driessen episode[/QUOTE] Yeah but they were there most of if not all time at least. SpongeBob and Patrick visit briefly like once don't they?

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857616]Squidville literally followed a secondary character for like 80% of its run time Would you prefer a beavis and butthead episode about their teacher?[/QUOTE] An episode about Bevis and Butthead's teacher would be terrible. Squidville, on the other hand, is a work of art. That's my point.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50857381]Take any given episode of ed edd n eddy and it's always the same thing Ed/Edd (I don't remember which is which) wants to get money for jawbreakers so he comes up with some kind of scam, he acts like a dickhead, Edd/Ed acts borderline retarded, Eddy acts neurotic and points out the obvious faults in the plan and gets ignored Everyone gets pissed at them, the scam fails, and they don't get jawbreakers You have now watched every episode of that show[/QUOTE] While the scams are a major recurring thing in the show, they are usually more of a catalyst to the actual plot of the episode, rather then central focus, of course, with some exceptions. The show has always been a mostly slapstick cartoon vaguely based on the creator's childhood. More about the animation and jokes rather than having an overarching narrative. One thing you could criticize is that at the end of almost every episode, the Eds (or at least one of them) never come out on top and that they never "learn" until the very end of the series, but even then, I don't think it's that bad for mischievous characters like the Eds to be "taught a lesson" and not be rewarded for the schemes. I can say something like: "Every episode of Samurai Jack is just about Jack finding some kind of alien/future race that want to kill him, but beats them and continues his journey only to beat other aliens that want to kill him." But I know SJ is a lot, lot more than just a samurai killing robots.

I suppose you can argue they made an entire series out of one of the neighbors [img]http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/19193000/ngbbs4a149bac35dfd.jpg[/img] [img]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/beavisandbutthead/images/d/d0/King_of_the_hill_logo-5139.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20120305232326[/img] And about one of the classmates... [img]http://www.myepisodecalendar.com/images/posters/Daria/poster_ver3.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Sector 7;50857659]An episode about Bevis and Butthead's teacher would be terrible. Squidville, on the other hand, is a work of art. That's my point.[/QUOTE] Ok what about the two entire shows based around/off B&Bh characters?

[QUOTE=J!NX;50857633]Star Trek the animated series [sp]The pinnacle of 'wait, this exists?[/sp][/QUOTE] I love that show just because of the episode where they[sp]meet Lucifer on a hidden planet of mages with actual magic, save him from being exiled, and all become friends at the end celebrating with a round of drinks.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;50857678]idk how someone could even hate on a piece of mike judge art[/QUOTE] Well, there was The Goode Family... [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/The_Goode_Family_cast.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857681]Ok what about the two entire shows based around/off B&Bh characters?[/QUOTE] the reason they aren't terrible is [i]because[/i] they're different shows. they feature a different set of characters, a different voice cast, and the difference in tone is enormous even though they feature the same directing talent.

They aren't different? Hank and Tom are the same and Daria is the same? Also holy shit apparently Daria and BBH and clone high are returning to mtv

Judging someone by their political opinions is completely okay. If someone is on the far-right side of the spectrum/supports banning all muslims/slavery/another holocaust then I don't see why you shouldn't judge them

Steven Universe is shit [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] As is Adventure Time Both of those shows are manchild/tumblr baiting shit. It's always "llooook at how majuuuur we are see we can be adults too!!!!!!!" it's grating and basically just "Pandering: The Genre" with these "young adult entertainment" shows

Tobey Maguire is still my favorite spider-man

[QUOTE=Captain;50857718]Well, there was The Goode Family... [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/The_Goode_Family_cast.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] God I forgot about this

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50857936]Steven Universe is shit [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] As is Adventure Time Both of those shows are manchild/tumblr baiting shit. It's always "llooook at how majuuuur we are see we can be adults too!!!!!!!" it's grating and basically just "Pandering: The Genre" with these "young adult entertainment" shows[/QUOTE] You've never seen either if this is your genuine opinion of them lol [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] Like I'm probably biased but it feels like you watched one or two episodes and called it a day if you really think it's "manchild/tumblr baiting shit"

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50857936]Steven Universe is shit [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] As is Adventure Time Both of those shows are manchild/tumblr baiting shit. It's always "llooook at how majuuuur we are see we can be adults too!!!!!!!" it's grating and basically just "Pandering: The Genre" with these "young adult entertainment" shows[/QUOTE] I don't think that's really a terrible thing, though, as long as it's well written. now, whether or not AT and SU are well-written shows is up to debate, but my point still stands.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50857936]Steven Universe is shit [editline]9th August 2016[/editline] As is Adventure Time Both of those shows are manchild/tumblr baiting shit. It's always "llooook at how majuuuur we are see we can be adults too!!!!!!!" it's grating and basically just "Pandering: The Genre" with these "young adult entertainment" shows[/QUOTE] The art styles of these shows always throw off any consideration I have to watch them. I really don't understand the [U]seemingly[/U] (I could be wrong) recent trend of incredibly basic art styles. Granted, I do enjoy Regular Show so I could maybe be seen as hypocritical but the point still stands.

[QUOTE=Luxuria;50858767]I really don't understand the [U]seemingly[/U] (I could be wrong) recent trend of incredibly basic art styles. Granted, I do enjoy Regular Show so I could maybe be seen as hypocritical but the point still stands.[/QUOTE] saving money is literally the entire and only reason animation is expensive and slow

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50857670] [img]http://www.myepisodecalendar.com/images/posters/Daria/poster_ver3.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Can't we all talk about how much we love Daria? I love Daria. Unpopular Opinion; I even liked Tom Sloane.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50857304]I never liked these old kind of cartoons where it's just obnoxious dickhead characters put into situations where they do the same shit all the time[/QUOTE]I swear you always have the worst opinions ever goddamn.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;50858854]saving money is literally the entire and only reason animation is expensive and slow[/QUOTE] This is a bit of a hilarious thing to say considering that since the early to mid 2000s it's become cheaper, quicker, and easier with the switch over the computerized animation methods over hand drawn ones.

[QUOTE=Captain;50857718]Well, there was The Goode Family... [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/The_Goode_Family_cast.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] This was a show ahead of its time but in a bad way