• Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
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[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930915]Because even I think it would be impossible to implement and cause uproar so whats the point of going into details. It's the idea itself which I support, I have no idea how it would be implemented.[/QUOTE] "The earth is flat. I have no way to prove it but I know it is."
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50930900]I understand you're completely lost when you're using a person sexually violating another as an argument for restricting a couple mutually deciding to have a child.[/QUOTE] People are making the argument that its inhumane to deny human instinct but clearly its needed at times.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50930918]I don't think a bit of control would hurt A lot of children don't deserve the fucked up families they're born into, a lot of people aren't good enough to be parents, and each year we're shorter on resources to keep our standards[/QUOTE] I'm just not comfortable at all with any government restricting people's rights to have children. There are too many uncomfortable questions and uncomfortable reasonings and all in all, it would just make things a huge mess that realistically might not even help things. Waste of time at best.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50930918]I don't think a bit of control would hurt A lot of children don't deserve the fucked up families they're born into, a lot of people aren't good enough to be parents, and each year we're shorter on resources to keep our standards[/QUOTE] That control already exists, it's children protective services, where they take away children from parents they see unfit to raise kids and put them in institutions or adoption centers [editline]22nd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930928]People are making the argument that its inhumane to deny human instinct but clearly its needed at times.[/QUOTE] Some people are arguing that but I'm not one of those, I'm saying it wouldn't work.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930915]Because even I think it would be impossible to implement and cause uproar so whats the point of going into details. It's the idea itself which I support, I have no idea how it would be implemented.[/QUOTE] The idea isn't impossible to implement, it's just inherently flawed and won't solve anything.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930928]People are making the argument that its inhumane to deny human instinct but clearly its needed at times.[/QUOTE] CPS, it's a thing. Look it up
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930915]Because even I think it would be impossible to implement and cause uproar so whats the point of going into details. It's the idea itself which I support, I have no idea how it would be implemented.[/QUOTE] historically speaking, when people have tried to implement similar ideas in the past, they started by forcefully sterilizing brown people and mental patients. It's more art than science, really.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930915]Because even I think it would be impossible to implement and cause uproar so whats the point of going into details. It's the idea itself which I support, I have no idea how it would be implemented.[/QUOTE] There's a reason why most ideas dont make it off the drawing board. If you think it's impossible to implement, especially considering the moral and ethical aspects of telling people if they can fuck or not for the sake of having kids, it's probably not a bright idea to consider in the first place. The only way you can improve peoples' conditions is by building up a strong support base in society for all. Complicated problems don't have simple solutions, and barring intrusive surveillance you're not going to catch all instances of child abuse, nor will all instances even be reported by those being abused/those close to the person who was abused. We already have protective services to help with this problem.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50930935]That control already exists, it's children protective services, where they take away children from parents they see unfit to raise kids and put them in institutions or adoption centers [editline]22nd August 2016[/editline] Some people are arguing that but I'm not one of those, I'm saying it wouldn't work.[/QUOTE] Usually its after the child in question has been heavily abused during a critical period of development, then is taken away from their family and put into a center hoping someone will take them home. Great system.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930958]Usually its after the child in question has been heavily abused, then is taken away from their family and put into a center hoping someone will take them home during a critical period of development. Great system.[/QUOTE] Nobody's denying it needs work, but it's a better option than the idea that you yourself admit have no clue how it could work.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930958]Usually its after the child in question has been heavily abused, then is taken away from their family and put into a center hoping someone will take them home during a critical period of development. Great system.[/QUOTE] So your pants-on-head retarded, god awful system is the government marching in and telling people, according to your idiotic standards, that they are no longer allowed to be parents and can never be until they meet arbitrary limits. I can smell your jackboots from here
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50930961]Nobody's denying it needs work, but it's a better option than the idea that you yourself admit have no clue how it could work.[/QUOTE] Obviously I could post how I think it should work, but it's all hypothetical. It's just an idea and it will get argued to death.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930958]Usually its after the child in question has been heavily abused during a critical period of development, then is taken away from their family and put into a center hoping someone will take them home. Great system.[/QUOTE] I didn't even argue about it, I just mentioned to him that it exists. Let's instead talk about that you are so into an idea that yourself doesn't know how it would work. Why the fuck are you so defensive about restricting impregnation and only allowing it to people who pass mental and economical tests when you don't even begin to comprehend how that would be applied?
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930974]Obviously I could post how I think it should work, but it's all hypothetical. It's just an idea and it will get argued to death.[/QUOTE] Then stop posting if you're not up for talking about it
How would mobilizing billions of people to perform mental health tests even work?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50930991]Then stop posting if you're not up for talking about it[/QUOTE] Gotta get those replies in though. And I think I achieved my goal of having the least popular opinion in this thread. I was tired of seeing pages and pages of people posting things only to be agreed with. Unpopular opinion threads should be about getting people angry and fired up, not pandering to the masses. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931017]Gotta get those replies in though. And I think I achieved my goal of having the least popular opinion in this thread. I was tired of seeing pages and pages of people posting things only to be agreed with. Unpopular opinion threads should be about getting people angry and fired up, not pandering to the masses.[/QUOTE] not pandering to the masses =/= everyone getting angry you can have an unpopular opinion and not have it be a dumb one
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931017]Gotta get those replies in though. And I think I achieved my goal of having the least popular opinion in this thread. I was tired of seeing pages and pages of people posting things only to be agreed with. Unpopular opinion threads should be about getting people angry and fired up, not pandering to the masses.[/QUOTE] The joke's on you, guys, I wasn't actually retarded
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50930974]Obviously I could post how I think it should work, but it's all hypothetical. It's just an idea and it will get argued to death.[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to expand on your argument, you're just making yourself look silly. If you ask me, you should've quit while you were still ahead, if ahead it could be called. You basically advocated a pipe dream based off of eugenic ideals. How will you be able to even develop a psychiatric assessment detailed enough to determine if they're suitable for having children or not? Many people are perfectly normal on the surface but wind up having deep seated mental issues that never come to light unless the appropriate trigger occurs. Also, it's basically a violation of human rights in any case to suggest something like that, because everybody has the freedom to decide how many children they will have, at what time, and their spacing.
That's quite the achievement, honestly, I missed seeing such stupidity that didn't involve Trump. Talk about making your future posts completely irrelevant though.
Methinks eugenics has very very very valid reasons to be unpopular. "Hey guys, I think choco-milk is mad nasty, guys" pales in comparison "To we should only let certain populations breed, guys."
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931017]Gotta get those replies in though. And I think I achieved my goal of having the least popular opinion in this thread. I was tired of seeing pages and pages of people posting things only to be agreed with. Unpopular opinion threads should be about getting people angry and fired up, not pandering to the masses.[/QUOTE] You can have an unpopular opinion without deliberately trying to bait others into an argument, genius. And it isn't about what you think a thread should be about, that's for the mods to decide, not you.
Knowing the history of this forum, I'm not even going to believe that he was just pretending to be a retard for the sake of an unpopular argument, I think he said that because he's on tilt and wanted an excuse to get out.
if you don't double down on terrible ideas you're a pussy
I think it shows character to be open to being wrong or not having thought something through and willing to admit it, wish he would have done that tbh
As long as child protection services don't start preventing and only keep curing the idea will be entertained And the only way to start preventing is doing something like this [editline]23rd August 2016[/editline] Maybe there are other ways, I'm just not seeing them
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50931078]Knowing the history of this forum, I'm not even going to believe that he was just pretending to be a retard for the sake of an unpopular argument, I think he said that because he's on tilt and wanted an excuse to get out.[/QUOTE] Yep I do think its a good idea in some way shape or form. I just also met my goal of having a very unpopular opinion. I originally posted it because something like this would have ensured that I wouldn't exist. I'm very, very bitter about the events in my life and my parents and this could have all been avoided if they were denied having me.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931166]Yep I do think its a good idea in some way shape or form. I just also met my goal of having a very unpopular opinion. I originally posted it because something like this would have ensured that I wouldn't exist. I'm very, very bitter about the events in my life and my parents and this could have all been avoided if they were denied having me.[/QUOTE] I get how you feel, but you shouldn't let that bias make you think that the world would be a better place if the idea was implemented. It's natural but also dangerous to form opinions like that based off of anecdotal experiences.
IMO when it comes to social engineering, the state should only ever use positive reinforcement, not negative reinforcement. i.e. instead of somehow criminalizing pregnancy, offer tax benefits for getting birth control implants and offer them for free. Include stipends within welfare for buying condoms. Offer incentives for families to move out of inner-city areas and into underpopulated school districts. If you're trying to fight drugs, offer payments to no-income persons willing to pass drug tests and attend employment counseling. That kind of thing.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931166]Yep I do think its a good idea in some way shape or form. I just also met my goal of having a very unpopular opinion. I originally posted it because something like this would have ensured that I wouldn't exist. I'm very, very bitter about the events in my life and my parents and this could have all been avoided if they were denied having me.[/QUOTE] Grow up, everyone is going to go through hardships regardless of their status.
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