Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be - General

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50931198]Grow up, everyone is going to go through hardships regardless of their status.[/QUOTE] Hardships come in different levels. Telling someone to grow up is like telling a clinically depressed person to get over it.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931260]Hardships come in different levels. Telling someone to grow up is like telling a clinically depressed person to get over it.[/QUOTE] No shit, that's why kids are going to have hardships regardless of their status, jeez dude. Me telling you to grow up is telling you to stop thinking governments conducting birth control is a good idea. Don't act like a victim.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50931260]Hardships come in different levels. Telling someone to grow up is like telling a clinically depressed person to get over it.[/QUOTE] do you want the government that had a good chance of being run by donald fucking trump to have monopoly on who breeds

[QUOTE=The golden;50932471]Try going through the same shit that he did and come out the other side without having an opinion similar to what he said.[/QUOTE] look, it sucks that he had a shitty background and everything, but this is such bullshit. having a shitty life doesn't give you a free pass to be free of criticism for you blind optimism, especially about ideas as dumb as a birth licence. and don't get me wrong, i'd fucking be all for it if it would work, but anyone that knows anything about how people and the world work can tell you that that's never going to happen. sorry if it comes off as cold or insensitive, but really, this attitude only hurts more than it helps.

[QUOTE=The golden;50932471]Having known No_Excuses for a few years and the shit he faced on a daily basis - that's a pretty insensitive thing to say. Try going through the same shit that he did and come out the other side without having an opinion similar to what he said. It's fine to disagree with someone but saying shit like that is pretty insensitive.[/QUOTE] Going through a shitty childhood is no excuse for holding such extreme and poorly thought out opinions which would overall have far negatives than potential positives. There's plenty of people on this forum who had shitty childhoods who aren't posting such extreme ideas like that.

[QUOTE=The golden;50932471]Having known No_Excuses for a few years and the shit he faced on a daily basis - that's a pretty insensitive thing to say. Try going through the same shit that he did and come out the other side without having an opinion similar to what he said. It's fine to disagree with someone but saying shit like that is pretty insensitive.[/QUOTE] Going through hardships doesn't justify extreme/fascist views. It can explain them, and lead to an exploration of what shapes a person's views becoming like that, but nothing more.

[QUOTE=The golden;50932471]Having known No_Excuses for a few years and the shit he faced on a daily basis - that's a pretty insensitive thing to say. Try going through the same shit that he did and come out the other side without having an opinion similar to what he said. It's fine to disagree with someone but saying shit like that is pretty insensitive.[/QUOTE] I agree that people are products of their upbringing, but many people go through a lot of shit and still realize that extremism is no solution to problems. I've gone through a case of severe depression before that almost killed me in the process, and I haven't decided to let my bad experiences define me as an individual. I understand also that not everybody can look past those periods in their lives, but at one point you have to stop feeling sorry for yourself and just move on. If you can't, or won't, let the past go, you run the risk of defining your life entirely around your past, and that sometimes makes you run the risk of not looking forward and seeing that no matter how shitty things are, they too will end someday as long as we come to terms with ourselves, and not allow our disappointments to define us. Stand up and walk, move forward with your life - there are people who've made something of themselves even when they have no legs to stand on, or eyes to see with, or arms to do anything with.

TBH it really goes without saying but if you think eugenics is a good idea you're either: a) Retarded, because in spite of the mountains of scientific evidence and theory that details how it's a bad idea, you think it's a good idea, or b) Retarded, because you think you're good at science but really you're not good at all and are nowhere near as smart as you think. Same thing goes for denying climate change and shit I guess as well.

Idk if this is unpopular but I want to say it anyway because of the reaction to turkish terrorism The wider community is not shocked when there is a gang shooting in gangland. When there is a terrorist attack in a tumultuous region no one is shocked. When there is a terror attack in europe that warrants a significant reaction. Sorry Turks that is not western hypocrisy

Nothing like getting banned for an opinion. After being called fucking retarded and a nazi that is. 10/10 will post again. [QUOTE=Carlito;50933327]TBH it really goes without saying but if you think eugenics is a good idea you're either: a) Retarded, because in spite of the mountains of scientific evidence and theory that details how it's a bad idea, you think it's a good idea, or b) Retarded, because you think you're good at science but really you're not good at all and are nowhere near as smart as you think. Same thing goes for denying climate change and shit I guess as well.[/QUOTE] Eugenics was never the point of this idea... And the idea...my god some people do such a good job of over blowing it. Multiple people in this thread and others have agreed with it. We all know articles about people out there who rape their own children or say neglect and abuse them until they kill themselves or beat them to death even. Let's say hypothetically you could identify these people and prevent them from having kids. Why wouldn't you? What morally twisted reasoning could you have to allow those events to take place? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Reinstating trolling ban" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50934958]Nothing like getting banned for an opinion. After being called fucking retarded and a nazi that is. 10/10 will post again. Eugenics was never the point of this idea... And the idea...my god some people do such a good job of over blowing it. Multiple people in this thread and others have agreed with it. We all know articles about people out there who rape their own children or say neglect and abuse them until they kill themselves or beat them to death even. Let's say hypothetically you could identify these people and prevent them from having kids. Why wouldn't you? What morally twisted reasoning could you have to allow those events to take place?[/QUOTE] Hypothetically, if I could make healthcare free, I would. Hypothetically, if I could cure cancer, I would. You can do a lot of stuff hypothetically that is far from easy in real life. The [I]idea[/I] of keeping abusive people from having children they would abuse sounds nice as a thought, but when you start thinking about it in any logical sense (How you would keep them, how would you punish them, how would you handle unlicensed pregnancies, etc), the problems arise quickly and the idea collapses.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50935015]Hypothetically, if I could make healthcare free, I would. Hypothetically, if I could cure cancer, I would. You can do a lot of stuff hypothetically that is far from easy in real life. The [I]idea[/I] of keeping abusive people from having children they would abuse sounds nice as a thought, but when you start thinking about it in any logical sense (How you would keep them, how would you punish them, how would you handle unlicensed pregnancies, etc), the problems arise quickly and the thought collapses.[/QUOTE] Come to Canada we worked out the Healthcare thing already. But yeah that's my point. The idea is agreeable. I can like an idea without working out every detail of its implementation.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935054]Come to Canada we worked out the Healthcare thing already.[/QUOTE] Not really Edit: "Worked out" in response to kinks in a plan to me means perfected and it's really irrelevant if it's "still better than US"

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50935079]Not really[/QUOTE] Is it perfect? Nah. But it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than what we got here

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50935079]Not really[/QUOTE] I'll take canadian healthcare over the extortionist, life ruining shit we have in America any day I don't care what problems it has, if I'm not paying tens of thousands of dollars I likely don't have for something that keeps me alive, it's better

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935054]Come to Canada we worked out the Healthcare thing already. But yeah that's my point. The idea is agreeable. I can like an idea without working out every detail of its implementation.[/QUOTE] There's this thing called free will and human rights you shouldn't step on, even in the process of suggesting ostensibly good ideas. Don't forget that the road to hell is paved with good intentions as well.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50935079]Not really[/QUOTE] I have no medical insurance and make barely enough to get by. I've had an MRI, EEG, ECG, been to ER multiple times and had several hospital visits without paying a cent up front.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50935100]I'll take canadian healthcare over the extortionist, life ruining shit we have in America any day I don't care what problems it has, if I'm not paying tens of thousands of dollars I likely don't have for something that keeps me alive, it's better[/QUOTE] Then what are the kinks in the plan for free healthcare you just mentioned if Canada has a perfect free healthcare system Edit: He said it's worked out not better than US

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50935102]There's this thing called free will and human rights you shouldn't step on, even in the process of suggesting ostensibly good ideas. Don't forget that the road to hell is paved with good intentions as well.[/QUOTE] So to my hypothetical question. You put the rights of those parents over the well being of those children?

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50934958]Nothing like getting banned for an opinion. After being called fucking retarded and a nazi that is. 10/10 will post again.[/QUOTE] you were banned for admitting you were trolling lol stop playing victim, you suck

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50935121]you were banned for admitting you were trolling lol stop playing victim, you suck[/QUOTE] You thought I was trolling gg. And my ban was appealed because if you read all my posts you'd see that I agreed with what I was saying.

"Gotta get those replies in though"

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50935131]"Gotta get those replies in though"[/QUOTE] I tend to reply to posts aimed at me yes.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935139]I tend to reply to posts aimed at me yes.[/QUOTE] Here's a thing: you don't necessarily have to respond to somebody's post. [editline]23rd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935118]So to my hypothetical question. You put the rights of those parents over the well being of those children?[/QUOTE] I'm not putting either one over the other, it's a complicated situation that has to be looked at on a case by case basis. You can't hope to prevent anything by tying people down with laws and regulations, especially not something that's a guaranteed fundamental human right.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50935160]Here's a thing: you don't necessarily have to respond to somebody's post.[/QUOTE] Especially when all you're really accomplishing is embarrasing yourself further

"Gotta get those replies in though" when told to stop sounds a lot less like "defending my point" and more like "baiting replies" especially when immediately after you go on about how you believe posts here should make people angry

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935127]You thought I was trolling gg. And my ban was appealed because if you read all my posts you'd see that I agreed with what I was saying.[/QUOTE] hm what could you do to possibly give that impression [QUOTE][B]You thought I was trolling gg.[/B][/QUOTE] [I]oh[/I]

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50935160]Here's a thing: you don't necessarily have to respond to somebody's post. [editline]23rd August 2016[/editline] I'm not putting either one over the other, it's a complicated situation that has to be looked at on a case by case basis. You can't hope to prevent anything by tying people down with laws and regulations, especially not something that's a guaranteed fundamental human right.[/QUOTE] But my hypothetical is clear cut. We know for a fact that these people will torment their kids as I suggested. It should be an easy decision here. If not I find it worrying. Fundamental rights are important but logic needs to come into play at the same time.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50935208]But my hypothetical is clear cut. [B]We know for a fact that these people will torment their kids as I suggested[/B]. It should be an easy decision here. If not I find it worrying. Fundamental rights are important but logic needs to come into play at the same time.[/QUOTE] You really don't, though, if you did it'd be better to just arrest them and lock em up

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50935211]You really don't, though, if you did it'd be better to just arrest them and lock em up[/QUOTE] [B]Hypothetical[/B]. Its not hard to just answer it.