Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
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[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;50978820]Why don't we just do what they do in Norway when it comes to prison?[/QUOTE]
Which is.......
[QUOTE=greeley;50978819]At work we've been talking about Imprisonment and the majority of us came to the conclusion that its just too tame now. Our Senior Designer brought in a book about the life of prisoners which is what lead to the discussion and he was telling me about the gist of the book, i think it was called "No pillows, but still not bad" (or something on those lines, didn't take a good look at the cover). I got really interested so i started reading things about prisons being to soft.[/QUOTE]
maybe they should stick to design
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50978785]isn't that the same argument used for the death penalty, that's been proven to be total bs? last time i saw the stats was long ago though, so i might be wrong[/QUOTE]
I'd love to read this, please can you try and find the stats that you were on about, i'd love to learn about this.
[QUOTE=greeley;50978128]I believe that pure harsh forced labour should be brought back for prisoners. Regardless of what you have done, whether it was rape, murder or even something as simple as stealing. I feel if there were real harsh stories about prisons out now like the horror stories you heard back 50+ years ago, a lot less crime would be committed.
The reason i bring this up is that someone i used to know has just had his dad released from prison along with his cousin after a year and a half. They now look better than ever, they've gained some serious muscle mass, they have been eating a lot better, and they've been given some free housing for the first year as long as they don't break their probation and find a job before then, they also get a decent sum of money a month for food/recreation. I saw my old mates status on facebook about how it was basically a holiday for them 2, 3 meals a day, exercise whenever they want, they even had TV for several hours a day.
Like wtf, and here's me, educated, struggling to make ends meet sometimes a month. I knew what his dad and cousin were like, they were horrible people. The system is FUCKED.[/QUOTE]
i think you should only advocate a punishment for a crime if you are willing to undergo the punishment if you had committed the crime yourself
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50979045]i think you should only advocate a punishment for a crime if you are willing to undergo the punishment if you had committed the crime yourself[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, if i raped or murdered someone, i'd expect to be treated the way i'm saying other prisoners should. I thought that went without saying haha. I wouldn't say this if i thought i was an exception to the rule, thats just cowardly. But i would never go to prison, i don't have the characteristics to.
[QUOTE=greeley;50978886]I'd love to read this, please can you try and find the stats that you were on about, i'd love to learn about this.[/QUOTE]
i don't remember much about that specific one, but here's a few
[url=http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates]States without death penalty have had consistently lower murder rates[/url]
it's not that conclusive though, because it might just be a case of correlation =/= causation. not that i believe that's the case, just throwing it out there
[url=http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence]The death penalty and deterrence[/url]
this one points out that noncapital punishment should be taken into account as well, which is more in line with what we're talking about here. doesn't really go in depth, though
[url=https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf]A 10 page paper on the deterrent effect of capital punishment[/url] (i don't know how recent it is)
i don't expect you to read the whole thing ofc but here's an excerpt from page 5 that's relevant
[quote]These studies should reveal the general, long-lasting deterrent effect of the death penalty if it exists. Other investigators looked for short-term or special kinds of deterrence. In 1935 Robert Dann published an analysis of homicides in Philadelphia during 60 days before and 60 days after five highly publicized executions. Dann argued that the deterrent effect of the executions should result in lower homicide rates during the post-execution periods. The result was the opposite; rates were higher than usual. Some 20 years later Leonard Savitz did a similar study, although in his work the critical days were the ones when death sentences were pronounced after well-publicized trials. Savitz found no significant difference in homicides for the before and after periods. 7 Similar studies of short-term deterrence were carried out in Chicago and California, and again no deterrent effect was found.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50979045]i think you should only advocate a punishment for a crime if you are willing to undergo the punishment if you had committed the crime yourself[/QUOTE]
if I happened to rape or murder somebody, unless it was a clear cut case of self defense where it was either my life or the other guy's, I would be willing to undergo the legal punishment for it. The problem is, people don't want to undergo any consequences, especially if those consequences are brutal or cruel (to them.) Even children lie to avoid punishment from their parents, and it's obvious that adults too will try their best to escape the consequences of their actions.
[QUOTE=greeley;50978827]Which is.......[/QUOTE]
Norwegian prisons are generally very soft on prisoners, they have books, are able to watch tv/movies, have monitored internet access, and even can play video games sometimes. They also go to classes so they can actually integrate back into society when they get out.
it's quite a stark difference. Our (america, not sure about UK) system has the goal of punishing people, and theirs is focused on helping people.
I mean reintroducing hard labour is basically introducing slavery, I'd go as far to say. Especially because one can be thrown into prison for fucking retarded reasons.
My views on gender tend to fall in the middle of the very progressive people and the more conservative people; I think there is defiantly a degree of masculinity and femininity that's not just societal and is it innate to people and generally corresponds to gender; if we removed any and all gender socialisation i still think testosterone and oestrogen would make men and women fairly distinct. At the same time I think gender roles are too cast iron and only seem to punish and shame people for harmlessly straying from the norm.
Just because your a guy dosen't mean you have to do all the things society expects of you but there's no need to "pick a gender" out of 50 million pointless options; labels are only useful to some degree usuaully just making it easier for people to understand who you are as a person. It's bullshit that we cant just act how we wanna act without pressure and shame for it but honestly i cant help but feel trying to invent an identity around that is just a plea for attention; you shouldnt be judged for that sort of thing yeah but trying to co opt a movement just kind of stinks.
Im not gonna name names on identities cause i cant really say how legitimate some are and some arent cause im not a scientist but there are defiantly some kind of bullshit ones if only by sheer scale of how many there are, in that its not something clinical its just mostly personality.
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50979396]Norwegian prisons are generally very soft on prisoners, they have books, are able to watch tv/movies, have monitored internet access, and even can play video games sometimes. They also go to classes so they can actually integrate back into society when they get out.
it's quite a stark difference. Our (america, not sure about UK) system has the goal of punishing people, and theirs is focused on helping people.
I mean reintroducing hard labour is basically introducing slavery, I'd go as far to say. Especially because one can be thrown into prison for fucking retarded reasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree, I think some people have too much faith in the prison system; especially in countries like America where bullshit like the war on drugs already exists. Reform is the best thing to make a better society rather than just satisfying a desire for revenge.
Rugby looks more fun than American football.
Bridge of Spies is spielbergs best.
Although then again spielberg isn't as great as people make him out to be. His movies often are biased one way or another.
I like Leafyishere and Pyrocynical.
[QUOTE=Arbys Watcher;50981074]I like Leafyishere and Pyrocynical.[/QUOTE]
absolutely inexcusable
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;50981363]Fuck beer. Fuck weak booze. Give me shots of hard liquor or give me nothing.[/QUOTE]
hard cider is some good shit tho
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
to be fair, i drink exclusively pussy shit
I mostly only drink for the taste
[QUOTE=Novangel;50981727]I mostly only drink for the taste[/QUOTE]
You should probably drink because you'd get dehydrated otherwise. Seems a bit better a reason. :v:
[QUOTE=Novangel;50981727]I mostly only drink for the taste[/QUOTE]
probably the most mature outlook on drinking imo
I don't drink at all. [del]Drinking is for degenerates[/del] I haven't found any alcohol that I've liked the taste of.
[QUOTE=Novangel;50981727]I mostly only drink for the taste[/QUOTE]
I love drinking, but being drunk is pretty shit
[QUOTE=Sector 7;50982200]I love drinking, but being drunk is pretty shit[/QUOTE]
if it's anything beyond what i can call a light buzz, i don't enjoy it
The heck, I love being drunk off my mind
I am only 19 so I've only tasted beer, champagne, and vodka and only a few kinds (In Texas drinking underage is legal with parents), but as far as I'm concerned all of them taste awful and are only good for cooking.
Vodka is fucking bomb for cooking
Hahahaha, Americans can't legally drink when they're 19? That's a shock.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50983404]The heck, I love being drunk off my mind[/QUOTE]
i love getting high to the point where i'm borderline detached from reality
just can't stand drinking much more than a couple of pints
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;50983507]Hahahaha, Americans can't legally drink when they're 19? That's a shock.[/QUOTE]
I can join the military and kill children but man I better not have a goddamn drop of alcohol except under special circumstances!
The federal government actually somewhat forces the states into it too by threating to cut road funding as well if a state dares change it. Very few states can really afford to not have that funding.
I like being as drunk as the situation calls for. Formal event? Just enough to loosen up a bit. After-dinner drinks? Pretty buzzed. In a club? High as a kite. Just broke up? Blackout drunk.
A lot of it has to do with how a lot of stuff used to be restricted to 21, such as voting. Drinking still hasn't caught up.
[QUOTE=Novangel;50981727]I mostly only drink for the taste[/QUOTE]
I wish my favorite drinks came in non-alcoholic form. I'd probably almost never get drunk if they did.
[editline]1st September 2016[/editline]
Not that I don't enjoy getting drunk with others but I don't go out for drinks a lot with people these days and I still want to enjoy my delicious drinks at home, dammit.
I played Assassins Creed: Unity and now Deus Ex: Mankind Divided on 20-30 fps. It was playable. I have never gotten the 60 fps stuff. I see no reason for me doing it differently since i'm perfectly fine playing as it is now.
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