Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49858524]More importantly, that thread was linked so that you'd read the thread discussion where plenty of people argued in favor of blaming white people and expecting them to make up for stuff like slavery. [/QUOTE]
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let's play "spot the unpopular opinion"
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49858636]When 40% of the most powerful and wealthy country's power is produced by spewing smoke from coal into the atmosphere, and we won't stop because our lawmakers are literally being paid to not stop it I'd say that pretty much counts as doing it on purpose.[/QUOTE]
Eventually, we'd NEED to do it to keep the population nourished and fully-supplied.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49858626]We'd need to adapt to it. If we want to survive in the near future, we need to say "fuck it" to the odds and just adapt to it.[/QUOTE]
why? so we can have a demented backwoods species of humans with horrifically malformed limbs and organs due to the low gravity? so we can make exciting new developments in the realm of cancer treatment when everyone on the planet gets melanoma at 20?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858624]sorry, but you're totally wrong about this.
There is literally nothing we could do to Earth that would make it a worse place to live than Mars. Mars is an inhospitable hellscape which will never be a home. [B]Even if we blew the entire atmosphere off of Earth will a billion nuclear bombs and evaporated all the oceans, Earth would still be a nicer place to live.[/b][/QUOTE]Jesus Christ no it wouldn't
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858650]why? so we can have a demented backwoods species of humans with horrifically malformed limbs and organs due to the low gravity? so we can make exciting new developments in the realm of cancer treatment when everyone on the planet gets melanoma at 20?[/QUOTE]
Do you not think space agencies take this into consideration?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858650]why? so we can have a demented backwoods species of humans with horrifically malformed limbs and organs due to the low gravity? so we can make exciting new developments in the realm of cancer treatment when everyone on the planet gets melanoma at 20?[/QUOTE]
We can't keep the Earth going forever no matter how hard we try. Eventually we'll need to move, whether we like it or not.
And besides, I bet you technology would have advanced [b]so far[/b] at that time that we'd be able to prevent the malformation happening to us. Also, we'd be living inside domes with regulated gravity, so we wouldn't be exposed to the outside.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858654]Jesus Christ no it wouldn't[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Skyward;49858662]~HyPeRbOlE~[/QUOTE]oh it's an exaggeration alright
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49858660]We can't keep the Earth going forever no matter how hard we try. Eventually we'll need to move, whether we like it or not.
And besides, I bet you technology would have advanced [b]so far[/b] at that time that we'd be able to prevent the malformation happening to us. Also, we'd be living inside domes with regulated gravity, so we wouldn't be exposed to the outside.[/QUOTE]
If we stopped spewing fossil fuels into the atmosphere, "eventually" would be pretty fucking far away.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858654]Jesus Christ no it wouldn't[/QUOTE]
Yes, it [b]literally[/b] would. You could absolutely fuck up Earth, but the fact that Mars has one-third of Earth's gravity means that Earth will always be a better place to live for human beings.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49858660]And besides, I bet you technology would have advanced [b]so far[/b] at that time that we'd be able to prevent the malformation happening to us. Also, we'd be living inside domes with regulated gravity, so we wouldn't be exposed to the outside.[/QUOTE]
Artificial gravity is pure fantasy. There is no basis for it. You can't just assume that something is going to exist because it's a trope in scifi.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858688]Yes, it [b]literally[/b] would. You could absolutely fuck up Earth, but the fact that Mars has one-third of Earth's gravity means that Earth will always be a better place to live for human beings.[/QUOTE]You can't live on a planet after a billion nuclear bombs have detonated on it, what makes you think NASA or ESA haven't already taken into consideration the lower gravity?
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Artificial gravity is pure fantasy. There is no basis for it. You can't just assume that something is going to exist because it's a trope in scifi.[/QUOTE]Yeah like the internet? Or rocket technology? Cars, smartphone, tablets, or any of the other magic we've become jaded towards? And I know that gravity is a force of nature which is a lot different, but you really underestimate the human species ability to discover and create.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858705]You can't live on a planet after a billion nuclear bombs have detonated on it, what makes you think NASA or ESA haven't already taken into consideration the lower gravity?[/QUOTE]
They don't have to take it into consideration because we're not planning on staying there long-term and growing humans there. The only planned mars missions are relatively short-term scientific missions. Nobody's planning long term generational colonization of Mars.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858705]You can't live on a planet after a billion nuclear bombs have detonated on it, what makes you think NASA or ESA haven't already taken into consideration the lower gravity?[/QUOTE]
Mars' incredibly thin atmosphere already lets enough solar radiation through the atmosphere to make the nuclear fallout a moot point. I cannot do enough to stress how shitty Mars is.
And you can't take low gravity "into consideration." The way to combat gravity atrophy is by extended periods of daily exercise, and despite doing this over only short periods in space, the most physically fit human beings still return to Earth extremely weak and with considerable health issues.
If pregnancy was even possible in low-gravity, it would be a crime against humanity to go through with it.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858705]Yeah like the internet? Or rocket technology? Cars, smartphone, tablets, or any of the other magic we've become jaded towards? And I know that gravity is a force of nature which is a lot different, but you really underestimate the human species ability to discover and create.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so once you invent and perfect a completely made-up machine with no technological precedent that controls a force we don't understand, Mars might get upgraded from a 'joke' into merely 'a radioactive desert with -125C nights and almost no atmosphere that is only 250 million miles away.'
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49858711]They don't have to take it into consideration because we're not planning on staying there long-term and growing humans there. The only planned mars missions are relatively short-term scientific missions. Nobody's planning long term generational colonization of Mars.[/QUOTE]
Not this part of the century of course, you really think it will [I]never[/i] happen?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858729]Mars' incredibly thin atmosphere already lets enough solar radiation through the atmosphere to make the nuclear fallout a moot point. I cannot do enough to stress how shitty Mars is.
And you can't take low gravity "into consideration." The way to combat gravity atrophy is by extended periods of daily exercise, and despite doing this over only short periods in space, the most physically fit human beings still return to Earth extremely weak and with considerable health issues.
If pregnancy was even possible in low-gravity, it would be a crime against humanity to go through with it.[/QUOTE]So the human species was born on Earth and will die on Earth? We were lucky enough to have a semi-habitle world right next to ours, with its challenges that need to be overcome, but we shouldn't seek those challenges? What would you rather we all die here? May as well drop all the nukes we have now and get it over with. Part of life is adaptation and challenges
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858737]Not this part of the century of course, you really think it will [I]never[/I] happen?[/QUOTE]
Not for an extremely long time, no.
I think you're failing to comprehend how fucking hard this would be to do...
It would require more money than exists on Earth, it would require technologies that are likely only works of fiction, and would require completely ruining our entire way of life. We're many hundreds of years or thousands of years away from moving all humans to Mars at least.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858737]So the human species was born on Earth and will die on Earth? We were lucky enough to have a semi-habitle world right next to ours, with its challenges that need to be overcome, but we shouldn't seek those challenges? What would you rather we all die here? May as well drop all the nukes we have now and get it over with. Part of life is adaptation and challenges[/QUOTE]
It's more likely that human technology will advance beyond biology before it becomes an issue, and it's much easier to simulate new planets than colonize them.
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Okay, so once you invent and perfect a completely made-up machine with no technological precedent that controls a force we don't understand, Mars might get upgraded from a 'joke' into merely 'a radioactive desert with -125C nights and almost no atmosphere that is only 250 million miles away.'[/QUOTE]Such a defeatists attitude, youd probably say realistic but I don't see what's realistic in not even trying to answer nature's challenges
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858799]It's more likely that human
technology will advance beyond biology before it becomes an issue, and it's much easier to simulate new planets than colonize them.[/QUOTE]Considering that rate that technology is advancing I'm positive we'll be part machine by the 2040s, or at least make extensive use of robotics, exoskeletons and the like, making it a bit easier to colonize than it currently is.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49858660]We can't keep the Earth going forever no matter how hard we try. Eventually we'll need to move, whether we like it or not.
And besides, I bet you technology would have advanced [b]so far[/b] at that time that we'd be able to prevent the malformation happening to us. Also, we'd be living inside domes with regulated gravity, so we wouldn't be exposed to the outside.[/QUOTE]
you're talking about a few decades of progress as if it's a few centuries. we don't have time to sit around just hoping for a deus ex machina to fall into our lap [I]somewhere[/I] down the line, we need to operate on the worst case scenario and hedge our bets whenever possible. and that means living here and making it as nice a place as we can with the technology we know we can rely on
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858816]Such a defeatists attitude, youd probably say realistic but I don't see what's realistic in not even trying to answer nature's challenges[/QUOTE]
It's only defeatist if you think Mars isn't a stupid planet, which it is. It's a poor investment of resources.
[quote]Considering that rate that technology is advancing I'm positive we'll be part machine by the 2040s, or at least make extensive use of robotics, exoskeletons and the like, making it a bit easier to colonize than it currently is.[/quote]
how would exoskeletons help colonize mars??? by eliminating what little exercise people there already get? I'm beginning to think you don't know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49858848]It's only defeatist if you think Mars isn't a stupid planet, which it is. It's a poor investment of resources.[/quote]Its the next logical step and hurdle for humanity to try and overcome
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how would exoskeletons help colonize mars??? by eliminating what little exercise people there already get? I'm beginning to think you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]lol I figured you'd say something like that, no I [i]don't[/i] know, but neither of us do, who knows the type of crazy tech we'll have in 20 years, it's just an optimistic guess, not a definite.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49858891]Its the next logical step and hurdle for humanity to try and overcome[/QUOTE]
It's not a logical next step at all - it's completely arbitrary. People have to invent abstract reasons to go to Mars, because there is literally nothing there to make it worth the effort.
A truly logical next step would be to push forward on clean energy and robust electric infrastructure, so that we can bring the world to a 21st century standard of living, reduce child mortality, and curb population growth. A permanently sustainable Earth is a necessary goal which is actually achievable within our lifetimes.
Beyond that, we're looking at the dawn of global artificial intelligence and the globalization of culture through the internet; there is so much on humanity's plate that doesn't involve trillion-dollar field trips to nowhere.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49858558]Earth will eventually be destroyed anyways, whether we take care of it or not. It doesn't matter if we try to use environmentally-friendly stuff, the growing population and the resources they need will eventually run out of space. So, Mars is ideal.[/QUOTE]
This is like filling up your house with trash because you're too lazy to tidy up and once it's full you move.
You do realise that it's pretty unlikely that we will even colonise mars right? It's probably more likely that we will decline over the next few centuries and civilization could dissolve entirely for a few centuries too.
How many humans can mars even sustain? Earth does billions quite comfortably, it's stupid to allow such a valuable asset to be ruined
[QUOTE=Sector 7;49859001]It's not a logical next step at all - it's completely arbitrary. People have to invent abstract reasons to go to Mars, because there is literally nothing there to make it worth the effort.
A truly logical next step would be to push forward on clean energy and robust electric infrastructure, so that we can bring the world to a 21st century standard of living, reduce child mortality, and curb population growth. A permanently sustainable Earth is a necessary goal which is actually achievable within our lifetimes.
Beyond that, we're looking at the dawn of global artificial intelligence and the globalization of culture through the internet; there is so much on humanity's plate that doesn't involve trillion-dollar field trips to nowhere.[/QUOTE]if you say so, space agencies don't seem to think that. Also good look with that whole permanent sustainable earth with our current bureaucratic governments, both of our plans are pretty unfeasible when you take that into consideration. Yours with governments wanting to maintain the status quo/general ignorance, and mine with funding and the whole "well what do [i]I/we[/I] get from this" attitude that politicians have.
Another dumb crazy idea, the internet is the catalyst towards humanity becoming a type of Borg hivemind like species, won't happen for a long time from now but I could see it, especially if we start putting implants into our brains, allowing us to become even more connected with each other.
I thought the new Charli XCX record wasn't half bad
I think beer and girly drinks are equally tasty. I see people who think stuff like frozen margaritas are too sissy or people that say beer tastes like piss, but not very many omni-drinkers.
[QUOTE=Leo the Leo;49860486]frozen margaritas[/QUOTE]
As a non drinker I must ask; is that basically a margarita ice lolly?
I think most girly drinks are genuinely bad; not because of the culture, they're just too sweet, as are Southern Comfort and honey whiskeys and any of the flavored schnapps.
If I'm going to get drunk, I want something that's not gonna make my teeth all gross when I wake up on somebody's couch the next morning.
chug mead 24/7
[QUOTE=Levithan;49860984]chug mead 24/7[/QUOTE]
^Poster with GOOD TASTE^
People should focus less on what cause/group they're associated with and more on what their opinions/beliefs are.
In discussions and stuff, at the very least.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;49861492]People should focus less on what cause/group they're associated with and more on what their opinions/beliefs are.
In discussions and stuff, at the very least.[/QUOTE]
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."
Very simplified quote but the GIST of it is solid
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