• Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
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[QUOTE=Lysander32;50404470]I really don't get this "All opinions are valuable" thing. I would never consider the opinion of a Neo-Nazi or a Homophobe a valuable perspective.[/QUOTE] They can fuck themselves. But I like to believe it's because of their existance, we know the horrors and we can use these people to remind ourselves to not repeat history. Make an example out of them. They're valuable because solutions rely strongly on bad factors. The more problems we solve, the better outcome.
[QUOTE=Lysander32;50404470]I really don't get this "All opinions are valuable" thing. I would never consider the opinion of a Neo-Nazi or a Homophobe a valuable perspective.[/QUOTE] Well, that's exactly the thing - value is subjective. "All opinions are equally Truthful" might be a more consistent position to take. On a more context-specific level, though, consider the Spartan practice of killing unfit babies. You could argue that baby-killing leads to a unhappier society, but you could also say that being free from having to take care of invalids makes the public happier overall. Fascism and bigotry are just different versions of this debate (i.e. a better society would have trait X/would not have trait Y) the underlying problem is that there is no objective version of "better" and nothing can ever be proven to be True. We can't say that a happier society is a better society unless we place arbitrary value on happiness.
what would be funny is a thread named "Unpopular Facts" use it as a cull to bait weirdos
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50405832]what would be funny is a thread named "Unpopular Facts" use it as a cull to bait weirdos[/QUOTE] Unpopular fact: black people and jews aren't real they were made up by the government
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50405970]Unpopular fact: black people and jews aren't real they were made up by the government[/QUOTE] but if the government made up the jews then who are the government
[QUOTE=Sector 7;50406048]but if the government made up the jews then who are the government[/QUOTE] fu[I][B]c[U]k[/U][/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Sector 7;50406048]but if the government made up the jews then who are the government[/QUOTE] lizard people, duh
1984 is not a bad book by any means, but the fact that some people still consider it the end-all of political literature is giving Orwells novel way too much credit. Animal Farm is a much more thought out (and relevant) political universe and it's sad it gets overshadowed by 1984 even if they are both good novels. And please stop saying that 1984 is the best dystopian novel ever written, it really isn't.
[QUOTE=My;50407153]1984 is not a bad book by any means, but the fact that some people still consider it the end-all of political literature is giving Orwells novel way too much credit. Animal Farm is a much more thought out (and relevant) political universe and it's sad it gets overshadowed by 1984 even if they are both good novels. And please stop saying that 1984 is the best dystopian novel ever written, it really isn't.[/QUOTE] Orwell is amazing in general. Anyone both on left and right will love many of his quotes. [url]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Orwell[/url] [QUOTE]So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]PACIFIST. Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Political language — and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists — is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The fallacy is to believe that under a dictatorial government you can be free [I]inside[/I].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kilerabv;50406612]lizard people, duh[/QUOTE] I think the question still stands?
No one is above toilet humour it is the thing we all have in common when we are stripped of everything we base our identities on we still shit and fart
[QUOTE=Sector 7;50406048]but if the government made up the jews then who are the government[/QUOTE] Closed time loop, it has to be.
I find it hard to see a difference between drag and blackface in terms of its mockery of minorities
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50408897]I find it hard to see a difference between drag and blackface in terms of its mockery of minorities[/QUOTE] it depends how much thought they've put into it really, it can and has been used to make perfectly valid statements on gender. which is pretty far from "that guy in the frock has a moustache lol" like you see in a lot of low-brow british comedy
[QUOTE=Cone;50409038]it depends how much thought they've put into it really, it can and has been used to make perfectly valid statements on gender. which is pretty far from "that guy in the frock has a moustache lol" like you see in a lot of low-brow british comedy[/QUOTE] 9 times out of 10, drag queens are just waddling around for attention and playing a fake character which is not only offensive but the media loves to latch on and use the stereotypes as "proof" that trans people are perverts/whatever. Drag queens get to take their costumes off and go be happy elsewhere because they don't have to deal with being trans or the real discrimination that comes from it. It's blackface but for the trans community, it's disgusting, and I'd never even think of considering drag queens members of the LGBT community in any way. They're detrimental as fuck
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50409061]1984 is referenced way too fucking much by people here, it's as if they think they're incredibly educated for reading a book that all freshman highschoolers will have probably read by the end of their year. it also doesn't apply in so many situations but hey dictatorship or any amt of government control over *thing*? 1984 was this!!!![/QUOTE] Oh god I hate it when people use "Orwellian" when it comes to things like google watching your searches and giving you ads based on your recent interests.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50409053]9 times out of 10, drag queens are just waddling around for attention and playing a fake character which is not only offensive but the media loves to latch on and use the stereotypes as "proof" that trans people are perverts/whatever. Drag queens get to take their costumes off and go be happy elsewhere because they don't have to deal with being trans or the real discrimination that comes from it. It's blackface but for the trans community, it's disgusting, and I'd never even think of considering drag queens members of the LGBT community in any way. They're detrimental as fuck[/QUOTE] but isn't a lot of LGBT pride centered on the freedom to be what the news used to call "perverted?" i mean hasn't the movement spent a lot of time and effort discouraging the public from calling them things like that, building up the idea that you should be free to act how you want and not get hemmed in by public opinion? not that i'm comparing you to a homophobe, i'm just saying the news manipulating it isn't really their fault
[QUOTE=Cone;50409195]but isn't a lot of LGBT pride centered on the freedom to be what the news used to call "perverted?" i mean hasn't the movement spent a lot of time and effort discouraging the public from calling them things like that, building up the idea that you should be free to act how you want and not get hemmed in by public opinion? not that i'm comparing you to a homophobe, i'm just saying the news manipulating it isn't really their fault[/QUOTE] idk, considering the people that I've grown up/around with, if they were to know I'm trans, they'd consider that I'm just like drag queens. Honestly I find drag queens and pride parades to be disgusting and pointless and all it does is make the LGBT community out to be some exotic creature rather than, idk, fucking normal like the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50409221]idk, considering the people that I've grown up/around with, if they were to know I'm trans, they'd consider that I'm just like drag queens. Honestly I find drag queens and pride parades to be disgusting and pointless and all it does is make the LGBT community out to be some exotic creature rather than, idk, fucking normal like the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] They feel like the complete opposite of what needs to be done for public acceptance imo "A majority of people think we're perverts who get off on dressing up as women and exhibitionism? Let's dress up in women's clothing and be sexually suggestive, then wear assless chaps and pasties in public!" [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] Like I get that it's a "fuck you, we'll do what we want" kind of thing, but it isn't exactly going to convince people that you're a normal person like everyone else
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50409241]They feel like the complete opposite of what needs to be done for public acceptance imo "A majority of people think we're perverts who get off on dressing up as women and exhibitionism? Let's dress up in women's clothing and be sexually suggestive, then wear assless chaps and pasties in public!"[/QUOTE] I love it when people try to justify pride parades/drag races as "Well they're being expressive of themselves! Shouldn't you be happy?" No, I'm not. Should I be happy when the skinheads go out and march? They have the right to do it, sure, but it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to fucking hate them. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] Oh and don't get me started on the bullshit "Please no inter-LGBT fighting!". Drag isn't part of LGBT lol
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50403977]Choosing not to vote isn't a criticism, it's just abstaining from making your voice heard in the elections. If you want to criticise the political system or candidates, put some effort into it[/QUOTE] this i consider my beliefs to be roughly anarchist and even i think voting is necessary for you to get the system you desire, regardless of what sort of person you're voting for. it's better to vote for a person you agree with MORE than to let the person you agree with LESS get voted into power. the only way for a lack of votes to amount to anything is if [B]literally nobody votes[/B] (unrealistic)
Can we please have no intra-LGBT hatred, it's absolutely toxic.
[QUOTE=Lysander32;50409768]Can we please have no intra-LGBT hatred, it's absolutely toxic.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50409251]Oh and don't get me started on the bullshit "Please no inter-LGBT fighting!". Drag isn't part of LGBT lol[/QUOTE]
I dislike cringe compilations. They are weirdly absorbing, but they just make me feel depressed and like I'm cringy.
Blame bigots who misinterpret drag Queens, not Drag Queens themselves. Drag Queens aren't harming anyone or advocating harmful ideas unlike racist skinheads. [sp]special note, Skinhead is a very wide culture that is rooted in multiculturalism and lower class British men, sadly it has been hijacked by racists as an image. :( there are plenty of anti-racist skinheads[/sp] [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50409805]I dislike cringe compilations. They are weirdly absorbing, but they just make me feel depressed and like I'm cringy.[/QUOTE] It really depends on the cringe. There is a fine line between genuine cringe, which is rooted in second hand embarrassment and empathy for a person, and just outright mocking. Facepunch cringe thread is REALLY bad about this. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of perma'd user" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Lysander32;50409825][sp]special note, Skinhead is a very wide culture that is rooted in multiculturalism and lower class British men, sadly it has been hijacked by racists as an image. :( there are plenty of anti-racist skinheads[/sp][/QUOTE] Are you sure there are plenty? it might just be the media but I never hear anything about anti-extremism skinheads outside of Scotland.
[QUOTE=Lysander32;50409825]It really depends on the cringe. There is a fine line between genuine cringe, which is rooted in second hand embarrassment and empathy for a person, and just outright mocking. Facepunch cringe thread is REALLY bad about this.[/QUOTE] I usually cringe at the ones that are similar to things I've done before, otherwise it's just laughing at people.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50409061]1984 is referenced way too fucking much by people here, it's as if they think they're incredibly educated for reading a book that all freshman highschoolers will have probably read by the end of their year. it also doesn't apply in so many situations but hey dictatorship or any amt of government control over *thing*? 1984 was this!!!![/QUOTE] In my country, no one at my schools even knew about the book.
I prefer battleborn to overwatch In fact, I don't even really like overwatch that much
putting melted cheese on things does not make them better
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