• Unpopular Opinions V6 You know maybe fascism wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
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[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;50771474]What's wrong with showing pride for the country you live in (as long as it's within reason)? If patriotism didn't exist, America would probably still be a dumpy 13 state colony controlled by England. Bless our forefathers for dumping tea into the Boston harbor.[/QUOTE] because why show pride for my country? I had no part in it, I was just born here by random chance.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50771896]A nation can't exist without some kind of nationalism. I would describe myself as a liberal/civic nationalist and I think that not having this kind of nationalism (both in not having nationalism at all or alternatively having racist ethnic nationalism, or divisive cultural nationalism) caused problems. This is because humans fundamentally want to identify with the people they are surrounded with. It is no accident that people identify more as 'Scottish' or 'Welsh' after people deliberately tried to kill British nationalism, because ultimately instead of moving to a post-national politics people found new identities to use instead. Fundamentally, a government needs nationalism for legitimacy. The democratic process isn't primarily what gives a government legitimacy (though it helps), it is a general acceptance of the right to be governed. This can only be achieved if there is common identity between as many of those being governed as possible. This is impossible without some kind of 'identity politics' given that we can't really care for more than a hundred people (as studies have shown). Instead, we need some kind of higher ideological force to allow for this legitmacy, which is why nationalism is necessary. Without it, we search for other, more divisive identities which instead of unifying people under a government, divide them and cause social problems. Nationalism also roots us in our place in time, which both helps provide stability in our governance and is also strongly desired by very many people (if not yourself), who don't like to see themselves as a lone individual, but instead a person shaped by their surroundings and history. I understand why people are concerned about nationalism due to what it has done when used poorly in the past, with an exclusive rather than inclusive identity. However, I still feel it is necessary for the reasons above. I also somewhat understand that people dislike its 'irrationality', but I don't think that is the point. Life, and politics cannot be explained properly by pure 'reason', and even if you disagree with this point, I think it is reasonable to think that the benefits of it outweigh the costs from a 'rational' standpoint due to the above reasons.[/QUOTE] But that's like, a whole other argument though. I have a feeling that when most people discuss the benefits of patriotism, or how irrational it is, they usually mean it on a personal level. I, as an individual, see no reason to be patriotic
I think it's okay to be a patriot. People who act like "hurdyd ur patriotism is just ass bab as a the nazis" have clearly never left their house/read a book.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50772285]because why show pride for my country? I had no part in it, I was just born here by random chance.[/QUOTE] That's easy to say when you're from Canada. What event related to the country is worth celebrating? [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;50772036]As someone who hasn't been able to afford Overwatch since it came out I'm stick of seeing Overwatch memes and jokes involving the characters My opinion of it has been soured just because I haven't been able to play it and seeing all the injokes of the community flood absolutely everywhere on the internet has made it worse[/QUOTE] When the first trailer dropped a friend wouldn't stop taking every opportunity to bring it up and say it was gonna make tf2 a dead game. It was so annoying I didn't care when it came out
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772449]That's easy to say when you're from Canada. What event related to the country is worth celebrating?[/QUOTE] that's low
How so? I don't know of any major Canadian history [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] If asking for some to be told is an insult I guess I know why [editline]why[/editline] I don't see how it's "low" for a nonpatriot anyway. If you aren't a patriot why would you even care
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772449]That's easy to say when you're from Canada. What event related to the country is worth celebrating?[/QUOTE] You mean like the atomic bombing of two Japanese cities or the wiping out of the native Americans? Two can play at this game, bud.
What does mixed bag of things happening have to do with nothing happening
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772503]What does mixed bag of things happening have to do with nothing happening[/QUOTE] Well, a reason not to be blindingly proud of one's country perhaps?
And that has what to do with Canada and its historical trophies and events?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772449]That's easy to say when you're from Canada. What event related to the country is worth celebrating? [/QUOTE] I could ask the same for your country. Or any for that matter
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772543]And that has what to do with Canada and its historical trophies?[/QUOTE] I don't think it's in good faith to take a jab at Canada's historical events when your country's are nothing to be particularly proud of?
this just in: countries have history of some bad things [B]WOAH HOLY SHIT TIME TO REV UP MY [I]TWISTED FUCKIN' UNDEROOS[/I][/B] Unpopular opinion: Going for dumb stabs at a nation's past to try and make a point in a discussion is retarded 9 times out of 10 because its usually unrelated and just makes you look like a blithering baby.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50772563]I could ask the same for your country. Or any for that matter[/QUOTE] Independence Day, revolutionary war, Washington, Lincoln, constitution, industrial innovation, Boston tea party, FDR, Teddy, Davy Crockett, the Alamo etc If there's something like this for Canada I'm unaware and I'll take it back, but afaik Canada has a pretty chill history. The only base for pride I've seen is hockey, and I'm not into sports You can say it about a lot of countries sure but Canada's one of the bigger countries and the others like UK, Scotland etc have reasons too
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772449]That's easy to say when you're from Canada. What event related to the country is worth celebrating?[/QUOTE] louis riel
[QUOTE=_Axel;50772577]I don't think it's in good faith to take a jab at Canada's historical events when your country's are nothing to be particularly proud of?[/QUOTE] Taking a jab? You mean asking if [i]anything[/I] has happened? I'd say Germany even has some events and history worthy of patriotism regardless of the nazi business. But I don't know a single thing to say about Canada because they seem to have a pretty chill history which is fine on its own but nothing to rave about
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772593]Independence Day, revolutionary war, Washington, Lincoln, constitution, industrial innovation, Boston tea party, FDR, Teddy, Davy Crockett, the Alamo etc If there's something like this for Canada I'm unaware and I'll take it back, but afaik Canada has a pretty chill history. The only base for pride I've seen is hockey, and I'm not into sports You can say it about a lot of countries sure but Canada's one of the bigger countries and the others like UK, Scotland etc have reasons too[/QUOTE] But why are those moments of pride for a country?
[QUOTE=Blazedol;50772602]louis riel[/QUOTE] Can you elaborate? I'm reading about him but I'd prefer a more contextual explanation, especially since it's saying he went to America and was tried for treason by Canadian government for something. I do think it's cool he disapproved of the insanity plea when his colleagues used it for him
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50772636]But why are those moments of pride for a country?[/QUOTE] They're major parts of our collective history as a country, a people, and a governing body. They helped define The United States and the "American" identity.
Skype is good for one on one conversations, but Discord is better for managing things like group chats.
[QUOTE=bdd458;50772668]They're major parts of our collective history as a country, a people, and a governing body.[/QUOTE] I just find it very strange to separate those out for pride for just one country, instead of humanity as a whole.
As an American (my flagdog shows Canada for some unknown reason), I find absolutely no reason to be patriotic at all.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50772683]I just find it very strange to separate those out for pride for just one country, instead of humanity as a whole.[/QUOTE] That's a fair point, although those happenings and the values they represent are more revered in America/among Americans than a lot of places/groups in my experience
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772651]Can you elaborate? I'm reading about him but I'd prefer a more contextual explanation, especially since it's saying he went to America and was tried for treason by Canadian government for something. I do think it's cool he denounced the insanity plea[/QUOTE] basically he was a political leader for the Metis people and started the red river and north-west rebellion against the government, since the Metis and Riel thought they weren't respecting their rights. Either way, Riel was hanged and, while being viewed as a victory at first, is now discussed and debated over whether or not the hanging was justified, even over a century later. that's the abridged version, anyways.
[QUOTE=VietRooster2;50772680]Skype is good for one on one conversations, but Discord is better for managing things like group chats.[/QUOTE] I'd rather not use either to be quite honest. Skype is just a poor program, and discord is interesting and fits a sort of niche of having nice features and being accessable from a web browser, but the inability to run your own server holds it back quite a bit imo. Sound quality is also inferior to things like mumble and teamspeak IF you are unpartnered. But, personally that's minor, most people don't have good mics in the first place.
I find Discord to be similar to vent without having to rent and host, what are the benefits of hosting? You can technically "run" your own server with infinite sub rooms but I assume you mean hosting it yourself [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] I noticed a huge quality difference between skype and discord (discord being better), probably because discord isn't p2p
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772774]I find Discord to be similar to vent without having to rent and host, what are the benefits of hosting? You can technically "run" your own server with infinite sub rooms but I assume you mean hosting it yourself [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] I noticed a huge quality difference between skype and discord (discord being better), probably because discord isn't p2p[/QUOTE] Control and reliability. When you use their servers, you're 100% at the mercy of whatever the company does. Occasionally discord has had weird downtime and server issues too. It's one reason discord isn't really used in businesses afaik, I remember reading in the requests several people saying that they'd like to recommend it/implement it for their businesses rather than things like TS, but can't because of that issue. Now if discord could be self-hosted, AND was free and open-source software, that would be very interesting and would probably kill my interest in other VOIP software. It'd allow for an insane degree of customization and freedom, along with the ease-of-use benefits discord has.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50772614]Taking a jab? You mean asking if [i]anything[/I] has happened? I'd say Germany even has some events and history worthy of patriotism regardless of the nazi business. But I don't know a single thing to say about Canada because they seem to have a pretty chill history which is fine on its own but nothing to rave about[/QUOTE] Asking if [I]anything[/I] has happened implies you believe it's a possibility that nothing of historical note has ever happened in Canada, which is retarded unless you are, indeed, taking a jab at them.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;50772974]Discord is going to fail. They cannot sustain with just selling "stickers" and other misc. stuff.[/QUOTE] Well, looking at the owner's past he might just be looking to build it up and sell it. Which doesn't necessarily mean it'll die, but if that's what's going to happen it'll probably change quite a bit.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50772584]this just in: countries have history of some bad things [B]WOAH HOLY SHIT TIME TO REV UP MY [I]TWISTED FUCKIN' UNDEROOS[/I][/B] Unpopular opinion: Going for dumb stabs at a nation's past to try and make a point in a discussion is retarded 9 times out of 10 because its usually unrelated and just makes you look like a blithering baby.[/QUOTE] It's not about the nation's past You have to look at the nation's people, the leaders and the citizens, then also at the political situation When I look at the people of my country, I have no shame in admitting I don't want to feel Italian one bit
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