[QUOTE=Winner;47799409]i posted this when it was announced and i still stand by it
the anime is gonna suck, 99% of what makes the manga so good is the fan-fucking-tastic illustration[/QUOTE]
They should get the artist to animate some parts.
[B]Shows that I hope are not bad:[/B]
Prison School
Gate
Monster Musume
Jitsu wa Watashi wa
God Eater
Please anime god make these anime not suck
[QUOTE=Matrix374;47799488][B]Shows that I hope are not bad:[/B]
Prison School
Gate
Monster Musume
Jitsu wa Watashi wa
God Eater
Please anime god make these anime not suck[/QUOTE]
Gate's character designs kinda already ruined the anime though
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/3fqv6Ip.jpg[/t]
Also that feel when I'm living in an anime and I'm posting on fp
there's nothing anime about those photos man
my camera is better than urs
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;47799141]simple as the fight scenes, F/Z is deeper. Both series has great fight animation but when the Servants (and Masters) fight in F/Z, there's a deeper meaning; Saber and Lancer's code of chivalry, Archer and Rider's confrontation, the meaning behind Saber and Berserker's fights, even Kiritsugu and Kayneth's old magecraft vs unconventional magic battles. In contrast, the Servants in UBW fight because it's their job, they have to protect their masters and beat the others to win, with nothing else going on. I reiterate, in the SAME NUMBER OF EPISODES, F/Z has more meaningful and enjoyable things than UBW does.[/QUOTE]
This is just wrong, what about Shirou vs Archer and Caster's idealism vs utility, Lancer vs Archer in chivalry vs deception, Saber and Assassin's chivalry, etc
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Matrix374;47799488][B]Shows that I hope are not bad:[/B]
Prison School
Gate
Monster Musume
Jitsu wa Watashi wa
God Eater
Please anime god make these anime not suck[/QUOTE]
Yeah this is pretty much my list, will wait for opinions before picking up other shows though.
Oh cool Shibuya crosswalk. Good times there, good times.
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
I can't see any of the jesus people that were always fucking there though.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47796629]No, stop. Every single time I see somebody say "where did the good parts of fate/zero go" I suffer real pain, fate zero came out after fate/stay night goddammit stop doing this, it can't be fate zero because it was NEVER FATE/ZERO. Also fate/zero is worse than fate/stay night! (if we take fate as a whole of three routes and disregard the deen anime)[/QUOTE]
I know F/Sn is the prequel, I don't understand how that's relevant to F/Z being better?
I'm not saying it should be F/Z, how do you take that from it? I'm wondering where all the good things that F/Z did with the show went. Where are the character developments, the character relations between master and servant, the interesting fights, the actual fight for the holy grail? F/Sn does jack shit of any of that, it has servants and masters, it has the holy grail as an objective but they do fuck all with it, it's all jsut ignored and used as chess pieces to put Shirou in situations that makes him (or others) question himself.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47796629]funny you should complain about it being mostly talking when zero was also mostly talking. and no, you are not experiencing a full fledged story, you're experiencing literally a third of it as it's based on one route from the visual novel.[/QUOTE]
F/Z was mostly talking, but it had more than 3 people doing over half of the talk in the entire show. The characters were also interesting, Caster was the best fucking character of the entire show, and Rider came in as a close second. You could pick out favourites and watch how things went for them, that shit isn't present in F/Sn at all. F/Z was master servant talking, forming bonds and trying to outsmart the others, making plans and schemes, trying to execute those plans, others get in the way and shit breaks out. In F/Sn it's just people talking to Shirou or Rin for the most part, and they amongst themselves. It's fucking boring.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47796629]Not every servant gets focused on in UBW, because the route is not about them, Berserker is a major threat in the fate route, as is Rider. As much as I like UBW it doesn't hold up super well as standalone, and since there is no fate/route anime (at least not one worth watching) a lot of it can seem weird or pointless.
Fate/zero is a LIGHT NOVEL, it has one storyline and no branching points at all so adapting it works out better. fate/stay night is always told in the perspective of the leads, fate zero is not. If they tried to make this like fate/zero you'd turn it into a shitfest of anime original scenes while we watch characters who do not work well as villains when they're not hidden in the backdrop doing things.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry? I'm not reading a light novel or playing a visual novel. I'm watching an anime, and I'm judging that anime on the merits of the anime alone. Are you mixing novels with anime?
Are you actually trying to tell me that because the visual novel did everything I dislike about F/Sn I'm not allowed to dislike F/Sn because it's just doing what the visual novel did? Are you serious about that?
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47796629]F/SN is a shounen action series, zero is meant to be a fucking PREDETERMINED TRAGEDY. they are fundamentally different series to the point that ufotable told people on twitter before ubw came out, to not treat it as a sequel to zero.[/QUOTE]
I'm not treating it as a sequel to Zero, I'm treating it as a show (and I know it's a prequel). I don't see what that fucking matters? I dislike it, and it lacks things I liked about F/Z, so I think it's bad because good things are gone, and F/Z is a relevant thing to compare to when pointing out what I think it fails at.
Next season I will watch non-non byori and try to relive the current yahari season. i will also make daily sacrifices of bread crumbs to my peanut butter shouko shrine in hopes the gods will being me a good koe no katachi adaptation.
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799562]This is just wrong, what about Shirou vs Archer and Caster's idealism vs utility, Lancer vs Archer in chivalry vs deception, Saber and Assassin's chivalry, etc[/QUOTE]
Shirou vs Archer is just some dumb bullshit that has been going on for over half of the season. It's just an extension of what Rin has been nagging Shirou about for a decade.
Caster was also incredibly dull and boring, there was no soul to that character at all. I can hardly remember shit from her because her fights were short and abruptly stopped before anything of interest happened. It was mostly just talking, talking about what she needed to do, and about her security and her power. Uninteresting "I am now explaining to you how my character works" stuff.
Lancer: "Oh no you didn't"
Archer: "Oh yes I did"
Very interesting.
Was there chivalry between Assassin and Saber? [sp]I can't remember because that bitch just got killed off like a marshmallow in a fire. "Oh I failed at assassinating him, lets fight him again, oh no skeletons, I'm dead[/sp]
Can anyone explain to me how to enjoy God Eater.
I remember playing it and going "Okay this is a tutorial right? When's the good stuff coming" for every mission I've played in 8 hours
[QUOTE=dgg;47799623]Shirou vs Archer is just some dumb bullshit that has been going on for over half of the season. It's just an extension of what Rin has been nagging him about for a decade.
Caster was also incredibly dull and boring, there was no soul to that character at all. I can hardly remember shit from her because her fights were short and abruptly stopped before anything of interest happened. It was mostly just talking, talking about what she needed to do, and about her security and her power. Uninteresting "I am now explaining to you how my character works" stuff.
Lancer: "Oh no you didn't"
Archer: "Oh yes I did"
Very interesting.
Was there chivalry between Assassin and Saber? [sp]I can't remember because that bitch just got killed off like a marshmallow in a fire. "Oh I failed at assassinating him, lets fight him again, oh no zombies, I'm dead[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Assassin isn't dead btw, also not sure what you're talking about with the zombies thing?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799631][sp]Assassin isn't dead btw[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]That's even worse then. She did seemingly die in that classroom right? It's been so long the details are unclear.
But if she is still alive then that's just one more point to why this show is shit. The character has been thrown away and forgotten because "hey, she isn't fighting Shirou and Rin right now, so who fucking carers?![/sp]
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799631][sp]also not sure what you're talking about with the zombies thing?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Caster's skeletons[/sp]
oh man dgg you're losing your mind
[sp]Rider != Assassin[/sp]
[sp]That's rider, Assassin's the samurai dude[/sp]
fuk u notmeh
[QUOTE=NotMeh;47799661]oh man dgg you're losing your mind
[sp]Rider != Assassin[/sp][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799662][sp]That's rider, Assassin's the samurai dude[/sp]
fuk u notmeh[/QUOTE]
Wait what?
[sp]So the guy that tries to _assassinate_ Shirou/Rin/Whatever in the forest outside the school was not a fucking assassin?
What samurai? The one that guarded Caster?[/sp]
[QUOTE=dgg;47799670]Wait what?
[sp]So the guy that tries to _assassinate_ Shirou/Rin/Whatever in the forest outside the school was not a fucking assassin?
What samurai? The one that guarded Caster?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah.
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799678]Yeah.[/QUOTE]
[sp]But he is dependent on Caster's mana because she summoned him. How can he not be dead if Caster is? Is it going to pull some dumbass Archer card on this too? Did he secretly make a pact with another master? Whatever the answer is, it will be dumb[/sp]
[QUOTE=dgg;47799687][sp]But he is dependent on Caster's mana because she summoned him. How can he not be dead if Caster is? Is it going to pull some dumbass Archer card on this too? Did he secretly make a pact with another master? Whatever the answer it, it will be dumb[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Remember how Lancer said he relies on the mana of the gate of the Ryuudou temple[/sp]
[QUOTE=dgg;47799670]
[sp]So the guy that tries to _assassinate_ Shirou/Rin/Whatever in the forest outside the school was not a fucking assassin?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] That's a girl by the way
and there's a different route that focuses on her much more
I think they will make a movie about that or something, I'm not sure[/sp]
[QUOTE=Novangel;47799562]This is just wrong, what about Shirou vs Archer and Caster's idealism vs utility, Lancer vs Archer in chivalry vs deception, Saber and Assassin's chivalry, etc
[/QUOTE]
Except nearly all of those fights happen once and we barely know any of the characters going into those fights. The whole pragmatism of Archer and Caster basically serve as a counterpoint to Shirou's idealism.
"If only you'd stop caring about people, then you'd be able to succeed."
"But that's not the right thing to do"
"For fuck sakes I'm about to skewer you right here and now. What right can you do if you keel over dead?"
"Lalalala not listening"
Lancer is basically a non-presence. [sp]He turns out to be a good guy but his turn is from going to a person who follows his master's orders to someone who takes a stance.[/sp] This isn't really earned and I have no idea what his personality is like when he fights Archer since we don't know whether to trust him. Saber fights Assassin when they're both empty slates (in UBW).
The point of the comparison with F/Z is that those fights have been lead up to. And they happen multiple times to reinforce the point. Saber clashes with Berserker a number of times and it is finally revealed in the final fight what they all meant. And the last fight between Lancer and Saber and how it concludes is so much more meaningful because of those prior clashes. Same with the final confrontation between Kayneth and Kiritsugu. These fights symbolise the end of a character's journey. The final point the writer is making about the character's ideals and personalities. In UBW, the [sp] fight between Gilgamesh and Berserker is flashy but in the end all we learn is that Berserker cares for Ilya (except we already learnt that in the flashback) and that's basically all we know about the character before he dies[/sp]. Characters fights between themselves once, sometimes offscreen, (unless Shirou has a chance to be heroic/dumb again) and often nothing meaningful results.
Spoilers as too who actually ends up killing X:
[sp]Casters master murders the shit out of her. This actually makes lots of sense considering the fact eh spoilers for non UBW routes following: [/sp].
[sp]That matou dude (forgot his name) is a fucking shitty master and doesn't even have command seals. Thus making rider an interesting character in this route doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Lore wise she is weak,completely subservient to her master in an apathetic uncaring way (which makes sense in other routes) and doomed to die an early death. Other then completely snapping the source material in two there is no real way to make her an interesting character in an UBW adaptation. Even if it was possible it would not be worth the screen time as its more important to develop characters that you know uhm actually do something in this route.[/sp]
Also not sure how much dialogue/backstory you can get from a guy that is literally just an insane destruction machine.
I would say Fate/Zero is a better anime because the source material is much better suited for being turned in to an anime. IMO even when playing UBW in the VN version its primarily the strong ending that stands out. The rest of the route had a couple of cool spotlight moments but it isn't as consistently good as the storyline in Fate/Zero.
7 episodes in Wooser no Sono Higurashi is fucking weird.
[QUOTE=Murky42;47799713]Spoilers as too who actually ends up killing X:
[sp]Casters master murders the shit out of her. This actually makes lots of sense considering the fact eh spoilers for non UBW routes following: [/sp].
[sp]That matou dude (forgot his name) is a fucking shitty master and doesn't even have command seals. Thus making rider an interesting character in this route doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Lore wise she is weak,completely subservient to her master in an apathetic uncaring way (which makes sense in other routes) and doomed to die an early death. Other then completely snapping the source material in two there is no real way to make her an interesting character in an UBW adaptation. Even if it was possible it would not be worth the screen time as its more important to develop characters that you know uhm actually do something in this route.[/sp][/QUOTE]
But in F/Z, the duo that is destined to die [sp]Caster/Ryunosuke[/sp] get so much personality pumped into them beforehand.
[quote][sp] Other then completely snapping the source material in two there is no real way to make her an interesting character in an UBW adaptation[/sp][/quote]
Then maybe that's what needs to happen.
[quote][sp]Even if it was possible it would not be worth the screen time as its more important to develop characters that you know uhm actually do something in this route. [/sp][/quote]
[sp]What kind of excuse is that? If you're not going to even give a character a personality then why even have her in the show? This is bad writing 101. I assume that she's more fleshed out in other routes but these are the things you sort of when you adapt stories. And do we really need more time on Shirou at the expense of EVERYONE else? After the first few times he's willing to throw away his life for really no reason at all, I think I understand his shtick.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47798490]What are you guys watching next season?
[t]http://static.neregate.com/2015/05/neregate.com-Summer-2015-Anime-Chart-v2.jpg[/t]
I'm probably gonna end up watching a bazillion shows again so no point making a list lol.[/QUOTE]
[B]Aria the Avvenire[/B]
[B]ARIA THE AVVENIRE[/B]
[B]ARIA THE FUCKING AVVENIRE[/B]
Durarara!!x2 rararararararararara
Jitsu wa Watashi wa (it's probably not even 1/4 as good as some of you want it to be, but fuck it)
Working!!!
uhhh... maybe:
Aoharu x Kikanjuu (girl crosdressed as boy survival game show thing???)
Charlotte (KEY)
Classrom*Crisis (sci-fi chilled comedy)
Gakkou Gurashi (sounds plenty dumb enough)
Gangsta (the extraordinary tales of the mobster handymen, sure I could dig that)
Joukamachi no Dandelion (it sounds interesting enough to keep a look out for, but boring enough to not watch at once)
Kangoku Gakuen (fatso looks ridiculous enough to keep an eye out)
Overlord (sounds like absolute shit, but if executed correctly it could be something really good)
Will watch because short:
Danchigai
Okusama ga Seitokaicho!
Wakaba*Girl
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;47799704]The point of the comparison with F/Z is that those fights have been lead up to. And they happen multiple times to reinforce the point. Saber clashes with Berserker a number of times and it is finally revealed in the final fight what they all meant. And the last fight between Lancer and Saber and how it concludes is so much more meaningful because of those prior clashes. Same with the final confrontation between Kayneth and Kiritsugu. These fights symbolise the end of a character's journey. The final point the writer is making about the character's ideals and personalities. In UBW, the [sp] fight between Gilgamesh and Berserker is flashy but in the end all we learn is that Berserker cares for Ilya (except we already learnt that in the flashback) and that's basically all we know about the character before he dies[/sp]. Characters fights between themselves once, sometimes offscreen, (unless Shirou has a chance to be heroic/dumb again) and often nothing meaningful results.[/QUOTE]
UBW is almost specifically about Shirou and his idealism. Other fights serve mostly to prove that the other masters actually exist and would happily try killing the shit out of him, otherwise their presence in this route is muted compared to the Fate route. It also assumes you know of the Fate route, which is why it doesn't re-explain things that were already explained in it.
UBW is Shirou's journey to discover how and why he fights for his ideals, and whether he will continue to do so. The most important characters in the route by far are Shirou, Archer, Rin, and Saber. Everyone else is, by comparison, not remotely important to the events of the route, hence why they are not capitalized on.
Fate/Zero does not follow a singular character's journey. It follows the entire Fourth HGW. It leads up to fights between characters because every character is a major player of the Fourth HGW.
Fast Anime: CIA document edition
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
I would list out stuff I'm watching but I feel like I've done it like four times already so I can't be bothered.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;47799762]But in F/Z, the duo that is destined to die [sp]Caster/Ryunosuke[/sp] get so much personality pumped into them beforehand.
[b]Yeah because they actually get their dose of personality in that story. Problem is with some of the UBW characters is that they don't get their character fully fleshed out until one of the other routes. However this usually happens due to specific events. So having those traits pop up out of nowhere doesn't make any sense. [sp]Riders[/sp] personality simply doesn't have a chance of naturally emerging in the UBW route.[/b]
Then maybe that's what needs to happen.
[b]Maybe in some places but I honestly wouldn't grant [sp]Rider[/sp] any extra screen time. Shirou could maybe use better/less screen time though. I'll judge the whole UBW anime when its actually done to see if they fucked it up/did okay. Besides if all the characters get screen time then you divert so far from the main plot that you might as well have said lets do an alternate holy grail war. Which would be cool but this is the UBW anime so its gonna do UBW.[/b]
[sp]What kind of excuse is that? If you're not going to even give a character a personality then why even have her in the show? This is bad writing 101. I assume that she's more fleshed out in other routes but these are the things you sort of when you adapt stories. And do we really need more time on Shirou at the expense of EVERYONE else? After the first few times he's willing to throw away his life for really no reason at all, I think I understand his shtick.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Because excluding a character entirely is even more nonsensical. [sp]Rider[/sp] has a limited role in the story and then she dies. Nothing wrong with that if you ask me. I don't cry when a red shirt dies either.
Damnit I suck at quoting. I would fix it properly but I am already pushing my hands farther then I ought to.
[QUOTE=Taggart;47799773]UBW is almost specifically about Shirou and his idealism.
...
UBW is Shirou's journey to discover how and why he fights for his ideals, and whether he will continue to do so. The most important characters in the route by far are Shirou, Archer, Rin, and Saber. Everyone else is, by comparison, not remotely important to the events of the route, hence why they are not capitalized on.[/QUOTE]
It is also a very uninteresting and boring route that only serves to say the same thing over and over and over again. It's basically like NGE's constant "all you need is love" message. It's just being hammered in to the viewer over and over and over again. Like, I get it, I understand this character, I understand his struggles, I understand his ideology. I understood that 2 episodes in. Do we seriously need to take the route that puts focus on a guy you can understand right away? There are all these other characters and masters out there, what the fuck is so special about this shit? Why do you feel the need to put all the emphasis on the most boring and simplest character of the cast?
[QUOTE=Taggart;47799773]Fate/Zero does not follow a singular character's journey. It follows the entire Fourth HGW. It leads up to fights between characters because every character is a major player of the Fourth HGW.[/QUOTE]
And doing that made it all the better.
Current Grisaia no Rakuen adaptation status: Still good.
Episode 6 gave us the continuation/"true ending" of Angelic Howl, which was fucking nuts, along with a bunch of other crazy shit, including the characters ACTUALLY CHANGING THEIR CLOTHES :v:
I'm glad it hasn't gone to shit yet. I'm hoping it stays as good as it's been so far, but you never know.
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