Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;43733232]You really have no idea about pokemon, do you? The games to most people have never been about the story. It's just a means to an end. Fill up your national dex, breed a shiny (pre-gen6), breed me a perfect six-IV pokemon and EV train them (again, pre-gen6), fight a competitive battle and then come back and tell me there's no challenge.
The curveballs don't really come from the story or main part of the game for the most part, they come from under the surface. Gen6 changed the way breeding and EV training worked and also halved the shiny value and tweaked a lot of different values of older pokemon and moves. The games are complex, you just have to make them for yourself. Next to no one plays them for "nostalgia". Go give the Pokemon General thread the same opinion, see how it goes over.[/QUOTE]
What about for those of us that don't ever intend to play multiplayer? I'd say that's an overwhelming 95+% majority of the people who play the game, or at least was until most recent game, and I'm fairly certain it's still a huge percent. I'm talking about story mode here, not the weird breeding EV shit that comes about in competitive battles. I have no interest in the convoluted meta that makes up competitive Pokemon, nor the undeniably monotonous process of finding a shiny in the first place. They don't need to be about a story, but if they're not going to be, they can at least not be grindy, but 'filling up your national dex, breed[ing] a shiny' and 'EV train[ing] them' are all very grindy, as far as I could tell from my 2 or 3 week stay in the Pokemon thread and my 4+ playthroughs of the games. As such, the games are [I]incredibly[/I] dry, as anything remotely interesting has to be in the imagination of the player, which is another reason why I think they're kids games.
The "main story", which is quite literally what the game itself is, is piss easy, uninteresting, and grindy, and it's the exact same thing in every single game.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733308]What about for those of us that don't ever intend to play multiplayer? I'd say that's an overwhelming 95+% majority of the people who play the game, or at least was until most recent game, and I'm fairly certain it's still a huge percent. I'm talking about story mode here, not the weird breeding EV shit that comes about in competitive battles. I have no interest in the convoluted meta that makes up competitive Pokemon, nor the undeniably monotonous process of finding a shiny in the first place. They don't need to be about a story, but if they're not going to be, they can at least not be grindy, but 'filling up your national dex, breed[ing] a shiny' and 'EV train[ing] them' are all very grindy, as far as I could tell from my 2 or 3 week stay in the Pokemon thread and my 4+ playthroughs of the games. As such, the games are [I]incredibly[/I] dry, as anything remotely interesting has to be in the imagination of the player, which is another reason why I think they're kids games.
The "main story", which is quite literally what the game itself is, is piss easy, uninteresting, and grindy, and it's the exact same thing in every single game.[/QUOTE]The single player is made for kids to get through...And... grindy? You can get all the levels you need just doing the trainer battles. The lame single player is there for kids, the multiplayer is for adult. It's like calling MVM in TF2 awful to discredit the whole game, it's really just a part of it.
The multiplayer isn't too grindy, for a little bit to create your team you do have to grind. But after that you can keep using your team for quite awhile.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;43733429]The single player is made for kids to get through...And... grindy? You can get all the levels you need just doing the trainer battles. The lame single player is there for kids, the multiplayer is for adult. It's like calling MVM in TF2 awful to discredit the whole game, it's really just a part of it.
The multiplayer isn't too grindy, for a little bit to create your team you do have to grind. But after that you can keep using your team for quite awhile.[/QUOTE]
[I]I'm saying the game is so bad that playing it is in itself grindy, since nothing changes, there is no fine skill involved, and you can reliably win every single battle in the game with a MODERATELY balanced team.[/I]
[editline]30th January 2014[/editline]
Seriously I was not aware that the little bonus that happens to take advantage of the games' mechanics for some multiplayer shenanigans was supposed to be the main attraction.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733308]As such, the games are [I]incredibly[/I] dry, as anything remotely interesting has to be in the imagination of the player, which is another reason why I think they're kids games.[/QUOTE]
"I hate it when games make me use my brain!"
None of this would matter if there was a proper fucking Digimon game
[QUOTE=Primigenes;43733530]Use your brain for what? To make up stuff like Nuzlocke challenges in order to make the game more interesting in the shit singleplayer.[/QUOTE]
Imagination requires using your brain. Surprising I know. Considering he was complaining about having to use your imagination in a game, that's stupid.
And why does having to use your imagination make a game a kid's game? I suppose Doom, where you are supposed to imagine yourself as the main character, and Killing Floor having a barebones plot to leave it up to you as to how it's unfolding makes them kid's games? Having to use your imagination instantly making it a kid's game is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43733492]"I hate it when games make me use my brain!"[/QUOTE]
NO. NOT what I'm saying. AT ALL. This is the most ironically unintelligent skewing of words that I've seen in a while that you also simultaneously managed to fit into typical FP argument style.
Imagine I criticized a novel for having no sub-text. It has no characterization, no themes, barely any dialogue, and nothing realistic happens. Then someone says "you have to use your imagination", in defense of said novel. Yeah. It's not that you have to use your brain to see it or conceive of it, it's that it literally isn't there.
You're trying to tell me that Pokemon has a story [I]apparently[/I] while the guy above you is trying to tell me that it doesn't need it.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733580]Imagine I criticized a novel for having no sub-text. It has no characterization, no themes, barely any dialogue, and nothing realistic happens. Then someone says "you have to use your imagination", in defense of said novel. Yeah. [/QUOTE]
Are you playing the same games as everyone else? Like every single person in the world has dialogue, not always important dialogue but then at the same time when it's not story crucial it gives the NPCs character by having them chat about themselves and the world around them.
And nothing realistic happens? In a game? What?
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43733601]Are you playing the same games as everyone else? Like every single person in the world has dialogue, not always important dialogue but then at the same time when it's not story crucial it gives the NPCs character by having them chat about themselves and the world around them.
And nothing realistic happens? In a game? What?[/QUOTE]
Given that you don't seem to understand the analogy and that you think an even barebones narrative involves giving every NPC in the game a single, unimportant, fluff string of dialogue adds depth, I don't see any reason to continue. Your comrades in the Pokemon thread would argue no such thing, and in fact, last time I posted there about this very thing they agreed with me.
Quit fighting it's scaring me :(
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733615]Given that you don't seem to understand the analogy and that you think a even barebones narrative involves giving every single NPC in the game a single, unimportant, fluff string of dialogue adds depth, I don't see any reason to continue.[/QUOTE]
What exactly are you looking for in depth then? I would figure knowing about the world from the characters would give it depth and life but I am wondering on your standards of depth if that isn't enough.
[QUOTE]Your comrades in the Pokemon thread would argue no such thing, and in fact, last time I posted there about this very thing they agreed with me.[/QUOTE]
I dunno what comrades you are talking about. And I like how you accuse me of having 'comrades'
there, then proceed to tell me how people there have got your back. Yeah....
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43733668]What exactly are you looking for in depth then? I would figure knowing about the world from the characters would give it depth and life but I am wondering on your standards of depth if that isn't enough.
I dunno what comrades you are talking about. And I like how you accuse me of having 'comrades'
there, then proceed to tell me how people there have got your back. Yeah....[/QUOTE]
Who the hell argues that Pokemon games have story, narrative, characterization, commentary, or any other element of narrative depth? It was a passing comment...something that's known quite readily by anyone who has so much as touched the game. They don't have narrative. They don't [I]try[/I] to have narrative.
I don't [I]believe[/I] they have gameplay depth and they really just don't have narrative depth. I'm not sure what your motive here is, other than to defend Pokemon in some way.
I like Seth MacFarlane's work
There is nothing wrong with arguing/disagreeing unless you do it in a hostile way.
There are so many times where people have whined and moaned about my opinions on certain trivial things such as Counter Strike and Team Fortress 2
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43733757]There is nothing wrong with arguing/disagreeing unless you do it in a hostile way.
There are so many times where people have whined and moaned about my opinions on certain trivial things such as Counter Strike and Team Fortress 2[/QUOTE]
B-b-but my opinions are [U]fact[/U] and all differing opinions are clearly false and shit!
All Samsung phones are shit
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733694]Who the hell argues that Pokemon games have story, narrative, characterization, commentary, or any other element of narrative depth? It was a passing comment...something that's known quite readily by anyone who has so much as touched the game. They don't have narrative. They don't [I]try[/I] to have narrative.
I don't [I]believe[/I] they have gameplay depth and they really just don't have narrative depth. I'm not sure what your motive here is, other than to defend Pokemon in some way.[/QUOTE]
I don't quite get the difference maybe. They do have stories, I know. But narrative I am not so sure on since I never really thought on the difference.
I do disagree when you say they don't have gameplay depth. There is alot of strategy to Pokemon, even if you aren't taking it seriously like with competitions and stuff. It does seem kinda simple, but then you get into all those other stats like speed and the other stuff no one looks at and it gets pretty indepth with being strategic to win.
[editline]31st January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;43733710]Yeah, and I'm saying if you have to make up challenges to make the single player even remotely interesting then theirs a problem.
And the whole point of a first person game is to imagine yourself as the character anyway. Its not like you have to either anyway since Doom's gameplay is fun enough by itself. The game is already challenging. You don't have to do that in Killing Floor either.
These are not turned based games so I don't know why you're comparing them. They play differently as well. Pokemon's single player is incredibly boring because you can steamroll everyone easily. It isn't like the multiplayer where you have to actually think about what moves your Pokemon have and etc. People shouldn't have to use their imagination in order to make up for the boring singleplayer. If the game had a better story then maybe the boring single player would at least be tolerable but it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
When you are flat out saying 'imagination makes it a kid's game' that's wrong though, that was my entire point regardless of whatever game we are talking about. There isn't anything wrong with imagination at all in games, though I agree if the story is weak and relying on it it's hard to deal with. But that makes it a kid's game in what way exactly?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43733544]None of this would matter if there was a proper fucking Digimon game[/QUOTE]
I thought rumble arena 2 was pretty good, and have heard good things about digimon world 4
[QUOTE=meppers;43733792]All Samsung phones are shit[/QUOTE]
idk about ALL of their phones, but i do regret getting a galaxy s3
i love the android os but my iphone was just much more reliable
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;43731917]I shall ignore this post and post an alot
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Milkandcooki is alright, could be better tho[/QUOTE]
no joke thanks for making my day
a lot of people dont like me. mostly my fault i guess but it kinda sucks when you get home from a bad day and the first thing you see on your videogame forum is "this guy is a prick."
also unpopular opinion: i really liked thisispain
Yeah Tomo Takino is the only one who has ever talked about imagination being only for kids, because nobody here believes that.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43733895]
also unpopular opinion: i really liked thisispain[/QUOTE]
Oh dear god why
thisispain was a douche.
Though he has helped tons of socially awkward facepunchers be adamant that they cannot get girlfriends, which is always a great read, so I guess +1 for him. But everything else -1.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;43733975]Oh dear god why
thisispain was a douche.
Though he has helped tons of socially awkward facepunchers be adamant that they cannot get girlfriends, which is always a great read, so I guess +1 for him. But everything else -1.[/QUOTE]
i thought he went a bit overboard with the making fun of people junk, but in mosts threads i've seen him post in he's got pretty cool opinions.
sometimes the way somebody articulates their opinion ruins it tho
I like everybody.
[I][U]Everybody.[/U][/I]
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43734107]I like everybody.
[I][U]Everybody.[/U][/I][/QUOTE]
even sheridamn?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;43734212]even sheridamn?[/QUOTE]
[B][I][U]EVERYBODY.[/U][/I][/B]
[sp]I don't know who that even is.[/sp]
I like modern art.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733925]Yeah Tomo Takino is the only one who has ever talked about imagination being only for kids, because nobody here believes that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43733308]As such, the games are [I]incredibly[/I] dry, as anything remotely interesting has to be in the imagination of the player, which is another reason why I think they're kids games.[/QUOTE]
Okay.
It needing imagination, as you said, made it a kids game to you. I was arguing imagination doesn't make it a kids game, I'm unsure if you can actually read or not.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43733578]Having to use your imagination instantly making it a kid's game is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
If you can't even read the posts of the person arguing against you, why are you even bothering? I never even mentioned imagination as being only for kids, what the fuck are you even talking about?
I can see why people think the holocaust was like the worst thing to happen, it wasn't, Shit like that happens often, it just happened someone was good at organising it.
I don't actualy have much experiences with jews. Most of my negative experiences with religion were from Christians (a whole load of shit) and muslims (they replaced my sausage and bacon with turkey)
But like.. you gather a bunch of Jews in one place and give them weapons... Look at the state of Palestine. Not good, is it?
[QUOTE=The Jack;43735042]I can see why people think the holocaust was like the worst thing to happen, it wasn't, Shit like that happens often, it just happened someone was good at organising it.[/QUOTE]
It's not everyday 6 million people from certain ethnic/social groups were systematically killed. And the Nazis weren't that good at organising their death camps.
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