• Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44841165]It's just so wasteful to me. There are so many more important things in life than buying the "latest expensive trendy pop culture le may may xD" clothes. [editline]18th May 2014[/editline] Well, I do appreciate that. I've spent most of my life dealing with what I get, so I've gotten used to not caring about having the latest and greatest stuff.[/QUOTE] $20 is a pretty low price point. If you hike a lot as a hobby, if you live in an area where it rains a lot, if you are in to running or biking, hiking shoes, raincoats, and running shoes of even remotely decent quality are going to cost more than that. There's a middle ground between buying $200 dollar jeans and buying, as you said, tattered rags. I probably shouldn't care that people disagree with me in an Unpopular Opinions thread, but honestly saying you shouldn't spend money on clothes/how you look is like saying it's dumb to upgrade your PC to play games better b/c who cares who they look as long as you can play them on the bare minimum settings.
[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44841165]It's just so wasteful to me. There are so many more important things in life than buying the "latest expensive trendy pop culture le may may xD" clothes. [editline]18th May 2014[/editline] Well, I do appreciate that. I've spent most of my life dealing with what I get, so I've gotten used to not caring about having the latest and greatest stuff.[/QUOTE] Most hobbies are wasteful. And most people with good fashion sense aren't hopping aboard the latest expensive trendy shit, many are able to look fantastic just with stuff from goodwill.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44862544]Just because someone enjoys owning and collecting and using firearms doesn't mean they're some sort of paranoid nut. There are a truckload of guns I'd love to own because I think they're historically significant and cool, doesn't mean I want to suddenly go shoot up a school.[/QUOTE] i'm not talking about collecting historical or cool firearms (though i do think thats a bit weird and the fact that it makes accessing them easier does worry me), i'm talking about keeping guns for self defense
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44862906]i'm not talking about collecting historical or cool firearms (though i do think thats a bit weird and the fact that it makes accessing them easier does worry me), i'm talking about keeping guns for self defense[/QUOTE] And what exactly is wrong with having the ability to defend oneself and property? And how is collecting something weird? Is collecting hats weird, or PEZ Dispensers? What about Gasmasks (gotta reach out to the Facepunch Community here)? And if you think historical weapons are easy to obtain; think again. Most are expensive as all hell (say for an STG-44 the average is around $10,000).
[QUOTE=bdd458;44862977]And what exactly is wrong with having the ability to defend oneself and property? And how is collecting something weird? Is collecting hats weird, or PEZ Dispensers? What about Gasmasks (gotta reach out to the Facepunch Community here)?[/QUOTE] i think that collecting them is weird because they were designed to kill things. i think that's weird for the same reason i think putting up animal heads as trophies on your wall is weird. just my opinion. as for defending yourself and your property, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but i feel like everyone in america is way too paranoid when it comes to that subject. getting a gun to defend yourself seems like a priority to a lot of people, even in areas with very low crime rates. is it wrong to be ready for everything? no, but it seems like americans have it way too high on their list of priorities
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44862906]i'm not talking about collecting historical or cool firearms (though i do think thats a bit weird and the fact that it makes accessing them easier does worry me), i'm talking about keeping guns for self defense[/QUOTE] Most of the "cool" weapons take a fuckton of paperwork and money to get, as well as historical.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44862977]And if you think historical weapons are easy to obtain; think again. Most are expensive as all hell (say for an STG-44 the average is around $10,000).[/QUOTE] you misunderstood what i said. i'm saying that when someone already has a collection like that (not only consisting of historical weapons, considering you said "historically significant and coo"), it makes getting access to a firearm much easier [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;44863094]Most of the "cool" weapons take a fuckton of paperwork and money to get, as well as historical.[/QUOTE] still less money and paperwork than in most other countries
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863107] still less money and paperwork than in most other countries[/QUOTE] Is it supposed to take tons of money and time?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863092]i think that collecting them is weird because they were designed to kill things. i think that's weird for the same reason i think putting up animal heads as trophies on your wall is weird. just my opinion.[/quote] Would you say collecting Swords, Knives, or things of that nature is weird too? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863092]as for defending yourself and your property, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but i feel like everyone in america is way too paranoid when it comes to that subject. getting a gun to defend yourself seems like a priority to a lot of people, even in areas with very low crime rates. is it wrong to be ready for everything? no, but it seems like americans have it way too high on their list of priorities[/QUOTE] You never know what's going to happen. It's better to be prepared and never need it, than it is to not be prepared when you need it. Like having a First Aid Kit in your car. There is a high chance you may never need to use it, but on the off chance you do, it's better to have it. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863107]you misunderstood what i said. i'm saying that when someone already has a collection like that (not only consisting of historical weapons, considering you said "historically significant and coo"), it makes getting access to a firearm much easier[/quote] A responsible, normal gun owner would keep their weapon locked up and unloaded when not in use. So, criminals would not have an easy time getting to those weapons. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863107]still less money and paperwork than in most other countries[/QUOTE] You got the stats to back this up?
[QUOTE=bdd458;44863221]Would you say collecting Swords, Knives, or things of that nature is weird too?[/quote] depending on the type of knife, yeah. but ceremonial or antique knives, not as much. as for swords, they have way more historical value than most guns out there. unless you're collecting brand new, mass produced swords, then no, i dont think it's weird [quote]You never know what's going to happen. It's better to be prepared and never need it, than it is to not be prepared when you need it. Like having a First Aid Kit in your car. There is a high chance you may never need to use it, but on the off chance you do, it's better to have it.[/quote] yeah, but like i said, a lot of people seem to have it as a priority, which is odd to me. people seem to rely more on guns than on, say, better security systems or locks and that kind of stuff. [quote]A responsible, normal gun owner would keep their weapon locked up and unloaded when not in use. So, criminals would not have an easy time getting to those weapons.[/quote] yes, but is every gun owner that responsible? and what if the person who gains access to those weapons isn't a criminal breaking in the house, but instead, the owner himself, who snaps and decides to kill his wife's lover after finding out she's having an affair? or his son, who is depressed and decides to shoot himself? [quote]You got the stats to back this up?[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country]wikipedia[/url] is not much of a source, but it's better than nothing. yes, it only shows the amount of guns per capita and doesn't mention the amount of money or paperwork required to get one, but considering the numbers, it's safe to assume that it is (or was, at one point) much easier to acquire guns in the US than in any other country
I dislike military culture, especially the one in the US where it's bloody crazy.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863572]depending on the type of knife, yeah. but ceremonial or antique knives, not as much. as for swords, they have way more historical value than most guns out there. unless you're collecting brand new, mass produced swords, then no, i dont think it's weird [/quote] So one piece of metal and wood has more historical value to you than another? Is a Gewher 98 that went through WWI have any less historical value than a sword that was just made in 1543 and never used? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863572]yeah, but like i said, a lot of people seem to have it as a priority, which is odd to me. people seem to rely more on guns than on, say, better security systems or locks and that kind of stuff.[/quote] Even the best security systems and locks won't necessarily keep people out. Once again, it's better to be safe rather than sorry. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863572]yes, but is every gun owner that responsible? and what if the person who gains access to those weapons isn't a criminal breaking in the house, but instead, the owner himself, who snaps and decides to kill his wife's lover after finding out she's having an affair? or his son, who is depressed and decides to shoot himself? [/quote] I would say the majority of gun owners are, it's a minorty that causes problems. Most people who snap like that have preexisting mental issues that went unaddressed. Normal people don't just snap like that. And the depression point is the same thing. Even then, the son should not have the safe codes under any circumstance. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863572][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country]wikipedia[/url] is not much of a source, but it's better than nothing. yes, it only shows the amount of guns per capita and doesn't mention the amount of money or paperwork required to get one, but considering the numbers, it's safe to assume that it is (or was, at one point) much easier to acquire guns in the US than in any other country[/QUOTE] And I asked for sources to back up your claim of it costs less and requires less paperwork. Not a wikipedia link for the amount of guns per capita. [QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44863678]I dislike military culture, especially the one in the US where it's bloody crazy.[/QUOTE] Yeah you would, we kicked your ass. [I]Twice [/I]:v:
[QUOTE=bdd458;44863690]So one piece of metal and wood has more historical value to you than another? Is a Gewher 98 that went through WWI have any less historical value than a sword that was just made in 1543 and never used?[/quote] i can't tell if you're arguing for or against owning historic weaponry when you call them "pieces of metal and wood" yes, i think something that is older and more unique has much more historical value than something that's, well, not as old and unique [quote]Even the best security systems and locks won't necessarily keep people out. Once again, it's better to be safe rather than sorry.[/quote] again, i didn't say they would, i only find it odd that it's rarely ever brought up in gun arguments here in fp, for reasons i've already explained [quote]I would say the majority of gun owners are, it's a minorty that causes problems. Most people who snap like that have preexisting mental issues that went unaddressed. Normal people don't just snap like that. And the depression point is the same thing. Even then, the son should not have the safe codes under any circumstance.[/quote] and how big is that minority? who's to say it's not big enough to warrant stricter gun control laws? [quote]And I asked for sources to back up your claim of it costs less and requires less paperwork. Not a wikipedia link for the amount of guns per capita.[/quote] i did explain that one, though. how else would you explain the gargantuan amount of guns in america?
[QUOTE=bdd458;44863690]Yeah you would, we kicked your ass. [I]Twice [/I]:v:[/QUOTE] More like I value independance, autonomy, and life and I see the miliary as the antithesis of these. And YOU didn't do anything to ME, our countries are not us.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863968]i can't tell if you're arguing for or against owning historic weaponry when you call them "pieces of metal and wood" yes, i think something that is older and more unique has much more historical value than something that's, well, not as old and unique [/quote] As someone who's planning a career in history: EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF HISTORY IS VALUABLE. ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE. Every piece needs to be cherished, kept, preserved. And sometimes, that requires private citizens and not just museums. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863968]again, i didn't say they would, i only find it odd that it's rarely ever brought up in gun arguments here in fp, for reasons i've already explained[/quote] You haven't explained anything other than you don't like guns. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863968]and how big is that minority? who's to say it's not big enough to warrant stricter gun control laws?[/quote] If it's a minority, statistically it's not big enough to warrant change. Hence, a minority. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44863968]i did explain that one, though. how else would you explain the gargantuan amount of guns in america?[/QUOTE] You specifically said that it's not as expensive and requires less paperwork to get guns in America. Back that claim up with the statistics that actually show that. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44864025]More like I value independance, autonomy, and life and I see the miliary as the antithesis of these. And YOU didn't do anything to ME, our countries are not us.[/QUOTE] way to take a tongue in cheek comment seriously. and even then, how do you expect a nation to defend itself against others who do not necessarily value those things when they come a knocking?
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864071]way to take a tongue in cheek comment seriously. and even then, how do you expect a nation to defend itself against others who do not necessarily value those things when they come a knocking?[/QUOTE] How about no-one has a military force?
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864071]As someone who's planning a career in history: EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF HISTORY IS VALUABLE. ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE. Every piece needs to be cherished, kept, preserved. And sometimes, that requires private citizens and not just museums.[/quote] as someone who disagrees: NAH MAN I DON'T THINK SO [quote]You haven't explained anything other than you don't like guns.[/quote] then you haven't read my posts [quote]If it's a minority, statistically it's not big enough to warrant change. Hence, a minority.[/quote] so you're saying that if 4 out of every 10 flights crashed, there's no reason to change anything? [quote]You specifically said that it's not as expensive and requires less paperwork to get guns in America. Back that claim up with the statistics that actually show that.[/quote] and i specifically asked you a question, can you answer that and not get aggressive out of nowhere?
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44864106]How about no-one has a military force?[/QUOTE] And you trust people, governments to do that? We decided "Hey, Germany we're going to nerf your military to high hell so you don't do anything bad.". Worked out soooo well, am I right? [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864110]as someone who disagrees: NAH MAN I DON'T THINK SO[/quote] Then who decides what parts of history are valuable? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864110] so you're saying that if 4 out of every 10 flights crashed, there's no reason to change anything? [/quote] [url]http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/falsean.htm[/url] There's a huge difference between homes being broken into, and PLANES LITERALLY CRASHING. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864110]and i specifically asked you a question, can you answer that and not get aggressive out of nowhere?[/QUOTE] You failed to back up your claim, which I asked for specific statistics to back it up. You haven't actually provided them.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864116]And you trust people, governments to do that? We decided "Hey, Germany we're going to nerf your military to high hell so you don't do anything bad.". Worked out soooo well, am I right?[/QUOTE] It's what should happen if people were nice and sensible when in large groups, but won't happen because people can be strange.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864116]Then who decides what parts of history are valuable?[/quote] i said nothing about that i was only stating my opinion on the matter [quote][url]http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/falsean.htm[/url] There's a huge difference between homes being broken into, and PLANES LITERALLY CRASHING.[/quote] why? because less people die in one of those situations? you don't mind risking the lives of civilians simply because not enough of them die for you to care? [quote]You failed to back up your claim, which I asked for specific statistics to back it up. You haven't actually provided them.[/QUOTE] and you still can't answer my question (which requires no research whatsoever) because...?
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44864245]It's what should happen if people were nice and sensible when in large groups, but won't happen because people can be strange.[/QUOTE] So exactly and ideal that can not be realistically obtained. I prefer a Realpolitik approach, because it's far more realistic. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864270]i said nothing about that i was only stating my opinion on the matter[/quote] And you should be able to defend your opinion. This isn't the "I get to state my opinion and never back it up thread.". So tell me then, who decides what's historically valuable in your case? You wanna have that opinion? Fine. Prove it to me about how its better. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864270]why? because less people die in one of those situations? you don't mind risking the lives of civilians simply because not enough of them die for you to care? [/quote] One is a commercial issue, and the other issue a matter of a private home. The USA needs better mental health care, and if we're really going to do something about those murder rates we need to look at handguns and gangs. And on top of that illegal drugs and our prisons. And even further many of the social programs that were gutted under Reagan need to make a comeback, and we need to fix our education system, especially in inner cities to give kids there a better start on life. You can't just look at guns and go "Yep, that's the sole cause of all the problem that nations right there is having!" much like I've seen many do. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864270]and you still can't answer my question (which requires no research whatsoever) because...?[/QUOTE] You only asked that question because you can't, or are not willing to back up your claim.
I don't think the panic over law enforcement using drones is justified. In the capacity they're capable of being used they're little more than an improvement over the helicopters numerous Police SWAT divisions already use. Most of the panic seems to be just the fact that people hear the word "drone" and immediately think "5 kill streak, Predator strike inbound".
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44864380]I don't think the panic over law enforcement using drones is justified. In the capacity they're capable of being used they're little more than an improvement over the helicopters numerous Police SWAT divisions already use. Most of the panic seems to be just the fact that people hear the word "drone" and immediately think "5 kill streak, Predator strike inbound".[/QUOTE] I have a bad opinion of drones because they've been used to kill innocent people and what happens after that? The government released a half-assed apology if they do anything at all, God forbid they actually allocate some money for reparations. And I'm Canadian, but I don't like Obama because he's a war criminal who hasn't answered for his crimes, and is continuing to let US military involvement in foreign countries happen.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864358]And you should be able to defend your opinion. This isn't the "I get to state my opinion and never back it up thread.". So tell me then, who decides what's historically valuable in your case? You wanna have that opinion? Fine. Prove it to me about how its better.[/quote] actually yes i can totally state my opinion and not back it up. if you know what an opinion is, you should also know that i don't have to "prove" it to you [quote]One is a commercial issue, and the other issue a matter of a private home. The USA needs better mental health care, and if we're really going to do something about those murder rates we need to look at handguns and gangs. And on top of that illegal drugs and our prisons. And even further many of the social programs that were gutted under Reagan need to make a comeback, and we need to fix our education system, especially in inner cities to give kids there a better start on life. You can't just look at guns and go "Yep, that's the sole cause of all the problem that nations right there is having!" much like I've seen many do.[/quote] except i didn't do that? i'm saying guns are [I]A[/I] problem, not [I]THE[/I] problem [quote]You only asked that question because you can't, or are not willing to back up your claim.[/QUOTE]i'm not willing to take time to look up random statistics, no
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44864397]I have a bad opinion of drones because they've been used to kill innocent people and what happens after that? The government released a half-assed apology if they do anything at all, God forbid they actually allocate some money for reparations. And I'm Canadian, but I don't like Obama because he's a war criminal who hasn't answered for his crimes, and is continuing to let US military involvement in foreign countries happen.[/QUOTE] I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and say what happened to Truman, the crew of the Enola gay? They are responsible for dropping Nukes on other human beings, are they war criminals? Obama is doing what is necessary for the war we are fighting (To be fair though, after WWII we had the Marshall Plan and helped rebuild Western Europe). Warfare has changed, whether you want to like it or not. Do I agree that the US needs to get involved everywhere? Not necessarily, but when you've been transformed into the world's only superpower due to the end of the Cold War, and with Globalization becoming more and more prevalent, what do you think is going to happen? We're going to sit on our continent with our hands under our ass playing Isolationist? That era ended in 1917 when we got involved in WWI. Whether you want to admit it or not, the USA has been made a superpower in this world, and we were thrust into a position of power and responsibility.
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;44864397]I have a bad opinion of drones because they've been used to kill innocent people and what happens after that? The government released a half-assed apology if they do anything at all, God forbid they actually allocate some money for reparations. And I'm Canadian, but I don't like Obama because he's a war criminal who hasn't answered for his crimes, and is continuing to let US military involvement in foreign countries happen.[/QUOTE] 1. That's in a completely different context, I was addressing how police using drones is seen as "Orwellian", but them using light helicopters (which serve pretty much the exact same purpose with less mobility and higher operation costs) is a-okay 2. As for them being used in war times there's actually a bit of a similar disconnect, what makes a Predator different from a B-52? It's more modern and generally more efficient from an operator's standpoint (cheaper, less dangerous, etc), nothing else.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864404]actually yes i can totally state my opinion and not back it up. if you know what an opinion is, you should also know that i don't have to "prove" it to you[/quote] Except I've seen plenty of people get dumbed in this very thread for not backing up their opinions or for having dumb ones. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864404]except i didn't do that? i'm saying guns are [I]A[/I] problem, not [I]THE[/I] problem[/quote] Then why are you acting as if they are? Why are you acting as if we take guns out of the US that all our problems will be served? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864404]i'm not willing to take time to look up random statistics, no[/QUOTE] Then don't bother to argue a position if you're not willing to actually back it up. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] Here's another unpopular opinion: You should always be ready to argue your POV and Opinion, especially in a thread dedicated to that.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864454]Except I've seen plenty of people get dumbed in this very thread for not backing up their opinions or for having dumb ones.[/quote] ok?? [quote]Then why are you acting as if they are? Why are you acting as if we take guns out of the US that all our problems will be served?[/quote] find ONE thing that i said that applies [quote]Then don't bother to argue a position if you're not willing to actually back it up.[/QUOTE] yeah yeah whatever. now, can you answer my question?
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864358]So exactly and ideal that can not be realistically obtained. I prefer a Realpolitik approach, because it's far more realistic. [/QUOTE] If we don't strive for the best it can never come about and we'll just be accepting defeat against our own selfishness. And that's a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864497]ok??[/quote] You're not special. You're not exempt. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864497]find ONE thing that i said that applies[/quote] [quote=Zukriuchen] no, but it seems like americans have it way too high on their list of priorities [/quote] By saying that you are implying that is the single issue that is plaguing the US and causing all of our problems. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864497]yeah yeah whatever. now, can you answer my question?[/QUOTE] Not until you back up the claims you made in your argument. You want to argue that that position is correct? Prove me wrong. Show me how easy it is to get firearms in the US with statistics that back up your claim of "it takes less money and paperwork". Stick by your words. I don't care if it's a fucking biased source I just want something that can help back up your claim. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44864556]If we don't strive for the best it can never come about and we'll just be accepting defeat against our own selfishness. And that's a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah we thought fighting for an ideal in the Cold War was a good idea and look what that brought us. Korea. Bay of Pigs. Cuban Missile Crisis. Vietnam. It wasn't until we stopped fighting for an ideal, and started working towards realistic goals did things start to get better (Nixon, for all his faults, was a genius when it came to foreign politics specifically because he adhered to a Realpolitik stance).
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