• Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=bdd458;44864588] Yeah we thought fighting for an ideal in the Cold War was a good idea and look what that brought us. Korea. Bay of Pigs. Cuban Missile Crisis. Vietnam. It wasn't until we stopped fighting for an ideal, and started working towards realistic goals did things start to get better (Nixon, for all his faults, was a genius when it came to foreign politics specifically because he adhered to a Realpolitik stance).[/QUOTE] I didn't say we should FIGHT for an ideal, I said we should WORK TOWARDS one.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44864608]I didn't say we should FIGHT for an ideal, I said we should WORK TOWARDS one.[/QUOTE] The US Government from the late 1940's to the 1990's was working towards an ideal world free of Communism, with the ideal of Democracy in mind. You can't change human nature, and humans will go crazy with power. It's unavoidable. If you actually expect that to change, you're insane.
politics should be boring and slow if politics gets exciting thats when problems start to happen
[QUOTE=bdd458;44862167]Here's an actual unpopular opinion: Those who are willing to trust the government far more than themselves, and their immediate families scare me more than anyone with a gun. Trust me, I believe the government has a place, and when well commanded does its job well. But do I put all my faith in elected officials everywhere? No. In the end, I can only truly trust myself and those around me to take care of me, and not to want to screw me over. And what you said isn't unpopular, from what I've seen it's pretty popular in countries that don't allow citizens to carry guns. I also find it to be a ridiculous opinion. Almost as ridiculous as me saying that I'm scared of Switzerland's gun culture.[/QUOTE] I was born in Russia during the fall of the Soviet Union, which has some fairly backwards gun laws. The politicians there are corrupted beyond measure, many affiliated with the mafia or corporations, and push to ban firearms for public usage. Why? Because they're afraid that word of their actions gets out, people will rise up against them. I'm not hiding the fact I have an affinity of firearms, and in this day and age doing so makes you labeled a psychopath baby-killer Sandy Hook 2.0 type of person, which frankly people can believe that and I give no fucks. I was involved in a couple of situations which was resolved because I armed myself, and only once did it end in the demise of human life; however that was when I was 14 years old still residing in Russia. [B]I'm not out for police blood, politicians, or more... but how can we trust people that use their political powers to ban firearms, then sell RPGs to the Yakuza (Fmr. Senator Yee I'm looking at you), or believes they're above the law because they were given a uniform and a gun.[/B] Another part of the whole guns-cause-crime argument is skewed by the sheer numbers of suicide in the country. I forget the number off the top of my head, but it's 60-70% of all gun deaths are self-inflicted. Not only that, but a healthy portion of the remaining deaths are justified, or drug/gang-related. If guns truly did cause crime, you'd be damn sure I would've killed thousands because of my guns forcing me to kill innocent babies. Yet I haven't, nor has 99% of gun owners in America. In the end, when I'm in the heat of the moment and someone is threatening my life, my family, or my property, I'd be reaching for a gun even if I didn't have to use it. Look. I'm a mass murderer. Here's my murder-weapon collection. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LDgaUfT.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hpkeTCP.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fZmComJ.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6ZFPTM1.jpg[/IMG] What also pains me is the senseless hatred over laws like Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine, especially after the backlash following the Zimmerman trial. Why take away the right to self-defense? Without those laws, you'd be incriminating thousands or more Americans every year.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864497]ok?? find ONE thing that i said that applies yeah yeah whatever. now, can you answer my question?[/QUOTE] Dude, if you're just gonna backpedal and be like 'NUH UH I DON'T GOTTA CAUSE YOU WON'T', drop the argument or leave the thread. Don't ever state your opinion without being willing and able to back it up.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864588]You're not special. You're not exempt.[/quote] ok getting rated dumb isn't exactly the end of the world yknow [quote]By saying that you are implying that is the single issue that is plaguing the US and causing all of our problems.[/quote] i said americans have GUNS way too high on their list of priorities. how exactly am i mentioning any other issues here? [quote]Not until you back up the claims you made in your argument. You want to argue that that position is correct? Prove me wrong. Show me how easy it is to get firearms in the US with statistics that back up your claim of "it takes less money and paperwork". Stick by your words.[/QUOTE] nah its fine you dont have to answer it then [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DeVotchKa;44864710]Dude, if you're just gonna backpedal and be like 'NUH UH I DON'T GOTTA CAUSE YOU WON'T', drop the argument or leave the thread. Don't ever state your opinion without being willing and able to back it up.[/QUOTE] im not backpedaling i just said i'm not willing to look up statistics for a random argument on the internet
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864716]ok getting rated dumb isn't exactly the end of the world yknow i said americans have GUNS way too high on their list of priorities. how exactly am i mentioning any other issues here? nah its fine you dont have to answer it then [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] im not backpedaling i just said i'm not willing to look up statistics for a random argument on the internet[/QUOTE] Then don't start one.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864716]ok getting rated dumb isn't exactly the end of the world yknow [/quote] It isn't, but it is also a very unsubtle way of telling you what people think of your positions. Especially if you are not willing to back up your own claims. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864716]i said americans have GUNS way too high on their list of priorities. how exactly am i mentioning any other issues here?[/quote] But by insinuating that it's at the top of our priorities, you're saying that we are ignoring other issues and thus is causing us more harm. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864716]nah its fine you dont have to answer it then[/QUOTE] I'm going to quote the guy above you, because he is right. [QUOTE=DeVotchKa;44864710]Dude, if you're just gonna backpedal and be like 'NUH UH I DON'T GOTTA CAUSE YOU WON'T', drop the argument or leave the thread. Don't ever state your opinion without being willing and able to back it up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864716] i said americans have GUNS way too high on their list of priorities. how exactly am i mentioning any other issues here? im not backpedaling i just said i'm not willing to look up statistics for a random argument on the internet[/QUOTE] First off, the reason Americans have guns so high up in their priorities is because it's apart of the Bill of Rights... the set of documents along with the constitution that sets the laws for the land, personal liberties, and more. It's a freedom thing, you wouldn't understand. Why drag yourself into a situation, and end up not looking for evidence? It just makes you look dumb, and throws credibility out the window. I know it's an internet argument, but at least make an effort.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;44864765]Then don't start one.[/QUOTE] i made a claim and recognized the fact that i can't provide a source for it. i'm still allowed to argue the points that don't require evidence or sources, which was 90% of that argument
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864802]i made a claim and recognized the fact that i can't provide a source for it. i'm still allowed to argue the points that don't require evidence or sources, which was 90% of that argument[/QUOTE] No you made a claim and then said you were too lazy to actually look anything up. I asked you to find sources on that one claim. The one that you need statistics and sources for.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864772]It isn't, but it is also a very unsubtle way of telling you what people think of your positions. Especially if you are not willing to back up your own claims.[/quote] *one of my claims and most of the dumb ratings are by that one starlight guy who rates almost everyone dumb anyway so w/e [quote]But by insinuating that it's at the top of our priorities, you're saying that we are ignoring other issues and thus is causing us more harm.[/quote] context is important. i meant that when it comes to protecting your home, guns are at the top of your priorities, not in the bigger context of things. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=bdd458;44864836]No you made a claim and then said you were too lazy to actually look anything up. I asked you to find sources on that one claim. The one that you need statistics and sources for.[/QUOTE] exactly? i recognized the fact that i can't provide a source- by pointing out i'm too lazy to do it
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864881]*one of my claims and most of the dumb ratings are by that one starlight guy who rates almost everyone dumb anyway so w/e[/quote] It was the one claim you needed to be able to back up and you failed to do that. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864881]context is important. i meant that when it comes to protecting your home, guns are at the top of your priorities, not in the bigger context of things.[/quote]. Then maybe, you should have made that clear from the start. However, even then guns are a major part in protecting your home, especially when all other measures have failed. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44864881]exactly? i recognized the fact that i can't provide a source- by pointing out i'm too lazy to do it[/QUOTE] No it means you can provide a source, but won't. If you can provide a source when asked you should.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864935]It was the one claim you needed to be able to back up and you failed to do that.[/quote] not really. the sheer number of guns in america, which is "over 50% more than the next two highest [gun owning] nations" (this is from the wikipedia article btw) already means that guns are more readily available, regardless of how easy they are to purchase [quote]No it means you can provide a source, but won't. If you can provide a source when asked you should.[/QUOTE] k
[QUOTE=bdd458;44864621]The US Government from the late 1940's to the 1990's was working towards an ideal world free of Communism, with the ideal of Democracy in mind. You can't change human nature, and humans will go crazy with power. It's unavoidable. If you actually expect that to change, you're insane.[/QUOTE] I don't believe the want to abuse power is unable to be risen above.
You've been both arguing for over 4 hours, let's take a break... Unpopular opinion: I found the new Godzilla entertaining.
[QUOTE=Onepu;44865033]You've been both arguing for over 4 hours, let's take a break... Unpopular opinion: I found the new Godzilla entertaining.[/QUOTE] my thirst for internet arguments must be quenched! also that's not an unpopular opinion at all
Here's another big one: tearing everything down and starting from scratch, in reference to pretty much everything (governments in particular) is almost invariably a bad idea when there are other options. Seriously: try voting before going all "Viva la revolution!", it would get a lot further.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44864636]politics should be boring and slow [/QUOTE] Parliament needs more fist fights.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44865005]I don't believe the want to abuse power is unable to be risen above.[/QUOTE] Let me know when you've woken up and entered the real world. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely
[QUOTE=bdd458;44865112]Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely[/QUOTE] Power just reveals who is corrupt for the most part.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44865112]Let me know when you've woken up and entered the real world. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely[/QUOTE] Sorry for being an optimist.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44865053]Here's another big one: tearing everything down and starting from scratch, in reference to pretty much everything (governments in particular) is almost invariably a bad idea when there are other options. Seriously: try voting before going all "Viva la revolution!", it would get a lot further.[/QUOTE] Voting doesn't work under tyranny. Not saying there's tyranny now, but in the end there are instances where there absolutely must be a need of revolution.
[QUOTE=Bonswazzle;44865241]Voting doesn't work under tyranny. Not saying there's tyranny now, but in the end there are instances where there absolutely must be a need of revolution.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but first world democratic governments are not those instances.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44865053]Here's another big one: tearing everything down and starting from scratch, in reference to pretty much everything (governments in particular) is almost invariably a bad idea when there are other options. Seriously: try voting before going all "Viva la revolution!", it would get a lot further.[/QUOTE] Historically, revolutions such as the french revolution rarely have good results as well. [QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44865227]Sorry for being an optimist.[/QUOTE] Beats the overwhelming amount of pessimism in the world in general, but I like a mix the best.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;44865648]Historically, revolutions such as the french revolution rarely have good results as well.[/QUOTE] It did have good results.
Now I'm not a sports person myself, but the whole internet-popular opinion of "sports are a waste of time" definitely reinforces the stereotype of basement-dwelling internet nerd. which is a shame b/c for the most part that's not true
It's dumb how cows can eat and shit at the same time no one cares but if a person does it then its a big deal
[QUOTE=NoShogun;44865913]Now I'm not a sports person myself, but the whole internet-popular opinion of "sports are a waste of time" definitely reinforces the stereotype of basement-dwelling internet nerd. which is a shame b/c for the most part that's not true[/QUOTE] Saying that a hobby is a waste of time is pretty damn stupid no matter what it is.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44867371]Saying that a hobby is a waste of time is pretty damn stupid no matter what it is.[/QUOTE] I thought the point of a hobby is to spend time doing something you like when you'd otherwise be wasting time.
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