Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=Samiam22;45772325]It's called morals. You don't hit something that you know won't fight back because it simultaneously makes you look cowardly because there's no other way you could win and an oppressive bully for abusing your power.[/QUOTE]
A parent's job is to teach their child, but sometimes your kid flat out refuses to learn. It's at that moment that you have to remind them that they need to be trying to learn instead of trying to stay a bratty little twat.
The moment I have to legitimately spank my son I'm going to send him to his room so I can cry quietly in mine.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772465]of course they're immature they're fucking children[/QUOTE]
And thus comes a mature adult's discipline to teach a child proper social manners, please divulge your solution towards a situation like the typical kid yelling in the supermarket because you don't buy him what he wants. Do you let him yell and cry through the entire trip back home and become a nuisance to others for creating too much noise?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45772394]But here's a question: What if the kid isn't going to understand it any other way? What if the kid is a gigantic ass that just isn't getting it?[/QUOTE]
then that means you've failed as a parent long before you felt the need to hit your child
The, "morals," statement makes it sound like you're beating the fuck out of a small dog or something. It's not that black and white.
You guys are combining spankings with child abuse. That's totally not the case.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772492]then that means you've failed as a parent long before you felt the need to hit your child[/QUOTE]
What an overstatement, holy crap
Have you ever even taken care of a child? Longer than ~6 months hopefully
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772492]then that means you've failed as a parent long before you felt the need to hit your child[/QUOTE]You realize parents aren't the only influence on their child right?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45772498]I would hope you wouldn't spank a 2 year old, that's wayy too young[/QUOTE]
he's probably talking about in the future.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772430]No? It's a parent disciplining their child, it's not a bully harassing and abusing another kid, wth.[/QUOTE]
exactly- one of them has the power of influence and authority and the maturity to know that you don't have to resort to violence, the other one can't fight back. so yeah i agree it's different than two kids arguing and much, much worse
[QUOTE=The golden;45772525]If your child is so rebellious against you that it won't ever listen to you then you have some other issues to deal with and adding physical abuse isn't going to make anything better.[/QUOTE]
Again, children are immature, moments like these can happen sometimes without there being another issue causing their irrationality. Can you at least give an example of "other issues"?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772492]then that means you've failed as a parent long before you felt the need to hit your child[/QUOTE]
Pop out a child then tell me how it turns out when you try and discipline it with words.
[B]Edit:[/B] Only words
Dude, I was spanked a fair amount as a kid because I was a huge jerk. I'm not abused or messed up or anything.
You guys are expecting kids to be the pinnacle of rationale but they're kids. They're going to act out of line. They're not perfect beings ready to hear what their father has to say.
There is a huge difference between abuse and putting your kid in line on the occasions that words alone won't fix the problem.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772492]then that means you've failed as a parent long before you felt the need to hit your child[/QUOTE]
Oh, okay. So what are they supposed to do then? Come up with a solution and I'll consider your opinion.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772546]exactly- one of them has the power of influence and authority and the maturity to know that you don't have to resort to violence, the other one can't fight back. so yeah i agree it's different than two kids arguing and much, much worse[/QUOTE]
What violence?
Are we not on the same page here, I'm not talking about a punch or slap to the face. Is taking their toys abuse too? Or is this okay despite depriving them of their entertainment?
[QUOTE=The golden;45772525]If your child is so rebellious against you that it won't ever listen to you then you have some other issues to deal with and adding physical abuse isn't going to make anything better.[/QUOTE]
Really? So if I tell my kid it's wrong to steal, why it is, how it harms the people implicated (ie who he steals from) and he turns around and steals a candy bar after he knows it's wrong, does that make me a shitty parent when I reinforce the idea with a light slap on the behind along with a 2nd explanation, or does he just want the candy bar more than he wants to consider the results of his actions because he's a kid and wants what he wants?
What kind of treatment would you give your child if verbal discipline is pointless to them?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772546]exactly- one of them has the power of influence and authority and the maturity to know that you don't have to resort to violence, the other one can't fight back. so yeah i agree it's different than two kids arguing and much, much worse[/QUOTE]
Slapping him on the behind for directly betraying the morals I'm trying to instill in him isn't the same as holding him down and punching him repeatedly. I'm not maliciously attacking, I'm reinforcing the idea because he's ignoring me and choosing to be a brat.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772546]exactly- one of them has the power of influence and authority and the maturity to know that you don't have to resort to violence, the other one can't fight back. so yeah i agree it's different than two kids arguing and much, much worse[/QUOTE]
Kids can fight back, as evidenced by me punching my father in the face. The problem is, do you really want to do that?
I get your point, one can literally kill the child and the other can't do anything. However, your point falls apart once you realize the dad isn't killing the child or really causing much physical pain at all. If the kid isn't going to listen, then they need to learn that punishments will only get worse if they don't listen or properly talk about things.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45772575]Dude, I was spanked a fair amount as a kid because I was a huge jerk. I'm not abused or messed up or anything.
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But was it the best option?
[QUOTE=AcidGravy;45772562]Pop out a child then tell me how it turns out when you try and discipline it with words.[/QUOTE]
what the heck are you even saying? that you can't possibly discipline children with words alone? jesus fucking christ
[QUOTE=The golden;45772597]That is a fucking psychological nightmare.[/QUOTE]
If your dad is providing you with a psychological nightmares then there's a mental issue with your dad for going too far with it, or you for being hyper-sensitive.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45772601]Kids can fight back, as evidenced by me punching my father in the face. The problem is, do you really want to do that?[/QUOTE]
protip: they probably won't feel the need to if you don't hit them
[QUOTE=The golden;45772597]Do you know what a really effective way is to get a child to calm down when they are having an irrational hissy fit and not listening to anything?
This one comes straight from my father who raised 2 children: Let the kid burn themselves out. Let them burn off the energy and they will tire out to a point where you can communicate with them properly or, if they're young enough, they will just fall asleep after.
There are methods in parenting like this that you use to get your child under control. You do NOT resort to physical abuse. That is a fucking psychological nightmare.[/QUOTE]
lol ok
Thanks for sharing your father's experience but you can surely understand a fact that there a billions of humans out there and everyone is different, btw, not everyone is willing to let their child "burn off" or "fall asleep" as no one knows how long it would take and being in public with a incoherent child sure isn't going to make them fall asleep while we are in constant movement.
But please, go ahead with your bias.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45772603]But was it the best option?[/QUOTE]
Sure. My dad talked out things as much as he could, and when that was futile, he spanked me.
He didn't like spanking me and it's not like he was over-aggressive, but you've gotta remember that I [B]literally punched him in the face[/B]. That's grounds for getting the crap kicked out of me with anyone.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772604]what the heck are you even saying? that you can't possibly discipline children with words alone? jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772604]what the heck are you even saying? that you can't possibly discipline children with words alone? jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I'm saying. You can't possibly expect to get a point across to a 4 year old child by talking to them all of the time. They just don't understand, they want to eat, shit, play and fuck everything else, and most of the time they don't care either as long as they're having fun.
A light tap for doing something wrong immediately lets them know that they shouldn't do that. A negative action gets a negative result. Even with a raised voice the child still just won't grasp the severity of the situation, sometimes it takes something a little harsher.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772581]What kind of treatment would you give your child if verbal discipline is pointless to them?[/QUOTE]
Still waiting, you can disregard everything we say despite being easily debunked situations but you can't provide YOUR solution by YOUR own words.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772628]But please, go ahead with your bias.[/QUOTE]
so people's [I]opinions[/I] are... biased???
holy shit thanks for enlightening me on this topic gwoodman i mean it's not like that's what the basic fucking idea of an opinion is
I mean, no one here is supporting child abuse or anything like that, but for some reason you're acting like we are certified future bad parents.
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772669]so people's [I]opinions[/I] are... biased???
holy shit thanks for enlightening me on this topic gwoodman i mean it's not like that's what the basic fucking idea of an opinion is[/QUOTE]
Get off your high horse and answer the question above you. Stop being so petty.
Okay, so take the example of me punching my dad in the face. What is the alternative to a real-life punishment of getting my ass whooped?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45772698]Uhh obviously he should have given you a bible and let god do the punishment for you[/QUOTE]
Oh man, that broke my focus and made me laugh too hard. That was perfect man, I'm gonna go work on dishes now.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45772640]Sure. My dad talked out things as much as he could, and when that was futile, he spanked me.
He didn't like spanking me and it's not like he was over-aggressive, but you've gotta remember that I [B]literally punched him in the face[/B]. That's grounds for getting the crap kicked out of me with anyone.
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This. Had dad not disciplined him, he may very well have continued along that line of thinking and continued this shitty behavior into adulthood. And then if he gets mad and punches someone because he's not getting his way, they're more than likely gonna either call the police and have him arrested, or beat the shit out of him.
Not every person who spanks there child is the stereotypical wal-mart parent who just shrieks at their kids and backhands them at the slightest provocation, this thread is full of people equating those two things when that's just straight up not the case, and regardless of whether you're for or against spanking, resulting to tactics like this just cheapens your argument.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772675]
Get off your high horse and answer the question above you. Stop being so petty.[/QUOTE]
get off your high horse says the guy who cannot make a single post without sounding as condescending as possible
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