Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45772698]Uhh obviously he should have given you a bible and let god do the punishment for you[/QUOTE]
Hah, he should have sent him to atheist camp.
Pffffft, sheeple shouldn't be parents
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772747]get off your high horse says the guy who cannot make a single post without sounding as condescending as possible[/QUOTE]
High horse, low horse or Seabiscuit you're still not answering the question. Defend your point.
Fine here's this.
Stop being a little bitch and give us your thoughts, the floor is yours, you can make another post delaying everything or being counter-productive to the actual argument, might as well stop there since you can't stop, and yes I'll say it again, being petty.
I don't care, I'm not going to abuse my child even if you think our posts indicate such a thing, I'm not a violent person nor will I ever spank my child even in extreme situations.
And I thought you were a cool person too, guess the internet gets the best of us.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772747]get off your high horse says the guy who cannot make a single post without sounding as condescending as possible[/QUOTE]
And sorry if I sounded condescending[I] in the first post(only)[/I] which I admitted too but you could at least be mature about it. And no, I'm not making a smart remark to the topic when I say "Mature" if you are going to comment on that.
[URL="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/08/16/why-shouldnt-you-spank-your-kids-heres-9-reasons/"]first[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids"]three[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain"]results[/URL] on Google say that spanking is a bad idea.
It shouldn't be done.
Dumb, gwoodman? I suppose you think yourself more learned in psychology than actual psychologists?
Oh dear, I did not mean to start this...
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45772838]Oh dear, I did not mean to start this...[/QUOTE]
That feeling you have is probably the same franz ferdinand's killer felt.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45772838]Oh dear, I did not mean to start this...[/QUOTE]
It's mainly our fault, if only I had explained myself better in one post rather than let it linger.
oh well shit happens
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[QUOTE=Samiam22;45772809]Dumb, gwoodman? I suppose you think yourself more learned in psychology than actual psychologists?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Google isn't exactly a parenting learning book. You can get anything positive to your argument from it, even sexism and nazism and dumb shit like that.
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Sorry, Google isn't exactly a parenting learning book. You can get anything positive to your argument from it, even sexism and nazism and dumb shit like that.[/QUOTE]
What makes you qualified to make statements on hitting children, then? Are you a parent?
[QUOTE=Samiam22;45772924]What makes you qualified to make statements on hitting children, then? Are you a parent?[/QUOTE]
You don't need qualifications for parenting, it's not a school degree, it's a natural process that comes with experience.
Given my culture, we are constantly taking care of children, whether it be our brothers and sister or even our friend's brothers and sisters. No, I'm not a parent but I have a little sister that I have to take care of, though she's not a child anymore, she was once. Again, a reminder that "Hitting children" isn't the correct term for this, it's discipline, I'm not advocating child abuse.
Please, don't hit the same nail again, otherwise it's pointless, we're going in circles now.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45772747]get off your high horse says the guy who cannot make a single post without sounding as condescending as possible[/QUOTE]
Here's the problem: You're saying that hitting kids is a form of child abuse and that everyone should be able to solve problems with words only. That in itself is condescending, and we're simply asking for you to explain your point. If you can't do it, just say I can't. There's no need to have a whole hubbub about it.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772959]You don't need qualifications for parenting[/QUOTE]
so what makes Google not fit for parenting then?
[QUOTE=Samiam22;45773014]so what makes Google not fit for parenting then?[/QUOTE]
Textbook cherrypicking right here. Argument over, it was already a clusterfuck in the beginning, I'm not making one about what fits parenting or not when it's not even about that.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772852]It's mainly our fault, if only I had explained myself better in one post rather than let it linger.
oh well shit happens
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Sorry, Google isn't exactly a parenting learning book. You can get anything positive to your argument from it, even sexism and nazism and dumb shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Well, he gave three sources from psychology websites
you gave yourself
Oh, hey, I actually agree with one of the reasons on those pages:
[quote=Some site]9. Spanking teaches children to lie to avoid detection or to avoid you.[/quote]
Except it's not the end result of spanking but being an overly strict unreasonable parent. I have a friend who got scolded for doing so much as kissing a boy back in High School. She taught herself to lie and stuff to keep it cool with her parents, and when she was finally let free into the world of college she exploded with sexuality.
And, again, it seems that all of these problems really only matter if the spanking is going overboard and done frequently. When I was a kid, I didn't think, "What's wrong with me?" after being spanked. I thought, "What's wrong with what I did?" I didn't think, "Stronger people are always right!" but instead "I should act better."
I was spanked only for doing the most ridiculous of things and being out of control, so it taught me to be in control and think about what I'm doing. My dad and I have [I]always[/I] talked things out - always. My dad doesn't like being overly strict, unreasonable, and physical. He's never been that kind of person. And every time he spanked me I knew something was up.
Maybe the problem isn't the hitting itself but instead the personality of the father physically disciplining.
[url=http://www.google.com]Please ignore this link. I'm testing something[/url]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45773063]Well, he gave three sources from psychology websites
you gave yourself[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://scienceblogs.com/appliedstatistics/2010/01/05/spanking-makes-kids-perform-be/"]Fine[/URL] [URL="http://www.parentdish.com/2010/01/05/researcher-says-a-little-spanking-is-good-for-kids/"]then[/URL]
Every website you find on Google could be biased and provide bullshit, so that's why I don't trust them, even my own two links.
Since when did Google become a source of correct and non-biased information?
[QUOTE=hippowombat;45773223]Again not trying to be a dick, but I'm a parent. Generally speaking the only thing I use google for in parenting is when I'm getting the link to the webmd site for non-emergency situations. Parental advice is discussed between my wife and I and if we can't find a solution, we'll call our parents/talk to our friends who have kids.[/QUOTE]
The perfect thing to do, this I can trust because it's all from experience and we all have different ones.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;45772924]What makes you qualified to make statements on hitting children, then? Are you a parent?[/QUOTE]
Again not trying to be a dick, but I'm a parent. Generally speaking the only thing I use google for in parenting is when I'm getting the link to the webmd site for non-emergency situations. Parental advice/planning is discussed between my wife and I and if we can't find a solution, we'll call our parents/talk to our friends who have kids.
Also you could google why spanking is an acceptable tool in parenting and yield the same results as the other way around, a prime reason why I don't generally use it for anything major when it comes to parenthood.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45773063]Well, he gave three sources from psychology websites[/QUOTE]
But not everybody's wired the same way to boot so there's no definite way to tell if one thing will affect someone just because some site says so. And two sources were from the same site.
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Oh man this discussion brings me back to the ol' wooden spoon for when we really screwed up big time.
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[quote]It destroys trust. Children trust their parents just a little less.[/quote]
The difficulty from that sounds more like getting the child to understand that what they did wrong and they're getting a spanking because they did something wrong. Sheesh, those sources try to pass some research as "this is fact don't you dare question it".
[quote]According to the report, spanking may reduce the brain's grey matter, the connective tissue between brain cells.[/quote]
I don't know if I can really take this seriously anymore.
[quote]Physical punishment most frequently occurs at the toddler or preschooler age.[/quote]
Whoa whoa whoa that just sounds too young to bring over the knee.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;45772809][URL="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/08/16/why-shouldnt-you-spank-your-kids-heres-9-reasons/"]first[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids"]three[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain"]results[/URL] on Google say that spanking is a bad idea.
It shouldn't be done.
Dumb, gwoodman? I suppose you think yourself more learned in psychology than actual psychologists?[/QUOTE]
I'd also like to point out that the results posted in these articles are referring to spanking out of anger, in reference to the destruction of trust, etc, for the most part. Again, there are a thousand definitions of spanking, I'm not talking about having no patience for my son and spanking him to shut him up. I'm talking about a last, final resort.
It's sincerely disgusting how many people here are perfectly ok with abusing their child because they did something they didn't like
It's been proven again and again that spanking only harms your child, physically and mentally. Not only do we have Samiam22's links ([URL="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/08/16/why-shouldnt-you-spank-your-kids-heres-9-reasons/"]One, [/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids"]Two,[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain"]and Three,[/URL]) But there's [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-spanking-idUSTRE8161R220120207"]countless[/url] [url="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/16/spanking.children.parenting/"]other[/url] [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/spanking-increased-aggression-study_n_4143886.html"]links[/url] ([url="http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2013/10/21/kids-still-spanked-to-their-detriment-study-finds"]here's one more, as well[/url]) to proof of spanking being harmful. ([url="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_ParentingResource/spanking-lead-aggression/story?id=15529554"]And one more, just to drive the point home.[/url])
You want to discipline your child without abusing them? You deny them something. They hit you? Deny them television for the day. They stole? Deny them a favorite toy for the day. If they escalate afterwards? deny it for longer. Are they screaming just because? deny them attention. Unless they're about to hurt themselves, others, or break something, ignore them until the meltdown is over. And always follow this with, once they've calmed down, an explanation of what they did wrong and why they shouldn't do it. If you're a good enough parent, it's easy to not "have" (as if you're ever forced to strike your child) to spank your kid.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772207]I doubt a tap to the cheek is going to turn a child into a person that contracts at every sudden movement like they've been beaten their entire life. Honor and dignity, I didn't know we were still in the Edo Period.
Sorry, I'm being condescending but I doubt a parent that doesn't mind this is going to "physically discipline" or "beat up" their child every single day at every little thing, only and exclusive at moments of utter immaturity that we all know children tend to have once in a while where words can't do anything.[/QUOTE]
You know what happened to the LAST generation who were hit as a form of punishment? Most of them are now afraid to even comb their hair the wrong way, let alone hit them. Not saying that talking is the only form of discipline, you can easily ground them or take their phone and such away.
[QUOTE=SirLemon;45773285]You know what happened to the LAST generation who were hit as a form of punishment? Most of them are now afraid to even comb their hair the wrong way, let alone hit them. Not saying that talking is the only form of discipline, you can easily ground them or take their phone and such away.[/QUOTE]
Could you explain to me how depriving a child from their entertainment will teach them? Could it not make them impatience removing their toys or putting them in their room with nothing to do or forcing them to study in leisure hours? Is taking their freedom away from them not abuse as well since we are all going overboard with reasoning, might as well say this too.
[QUOTE]You know what happened to the LAST generation who were hit as a form of punishment? Most of them are now afraid to even comb their hair the wrong way[/QUOTE]
And please don't exaggerate, you know this isn't true.
I was slapped, like, 3 times? Spanked twice?
I'm not a nervous wreck who needs PTSD therapy, actually, I know it's shocking.
lmao chill out giving your kid a light spank or two wont ruin their childhood or make them hate you forever
[QUOTE=Shortyish;45773321]lmao chill out giving your kid a light spank or two wont ruin their childhood or make them hate you forever[/QUOTE]
It's still unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Shortyish;45773321]lmao chill out giving your kid a light spank or two wont ruin their childhood or make them hate you forever[/QUOTE]
It actually made me respect my parents a lot more. They instead began to threaten me with long, drawn out punishments (I.E, lied about detention, grounded for 2 months).
That too got me into shape. Hell, I feel the discipline made me a better person than I would have been without.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773280]Are they screaming just because? deny them attention.[/QUOTE]
Now that's just selfish. Nice to know you have nerves of titanium, but other people more often than not don't, especially in public places.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773280]It's sincerely disgusting how many people here are perfectly ok with abusing their child because they did something they didn't like
It's been proven again and again that spanking only harms your child, physically and mentally. Not only do we have Samiam22's links ([URL="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/08/16/why-shouldnt-you-spank-your-kids-heres-9-reasons/"]One, [/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids"]Two,[/URL] [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain"]and Three,[/URL]) But there's [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-spanking-idUSTRE8161R220120207"]countless[/url] [url="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/16/spanking.children.parenting/"]other[/url] [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/spanking-increased-aggression-study_n_4143886.html"]links[/url] ([url="http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2013/10/21/kids-still-spanked-to-their-detriment-study-finds"]here's one more, as well[/url]) to proof of spanking being harmful. ([url="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_ParentingResource/spanking-lead-aggression/story?id=15529554"]And one more, just to drive the point home.[/url])
You want to discipline your child without abusing them? You deny them something. They hit you? Deny them television for the day. They stole? Deny them a favorite toy for the day. If they escalate afterwards? deny it for longer. Are they screaming just because? deny them attention. Unless they're about to hurt themselves, others, or break something, ignore them until the meltdown is over. And always follow this with, once they've calmed down, an explanation of what they did wrong and why they shouldn't do it. If you're a good enough parent, it's easy to not "have" (as if you're ever forced to strike your child) to spank your kid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hippowombat;45772737]Not every person who spanks there child is the stereotypical wal-mart parent who just shrieks at their kids and backhands them at the slightest provocation, this thread is full of people equating those two things when that's just straight up not the case, and regardless of whether you're for or against spanking, resulting to tactics like this just cheapens your argument.[/QUOTE]
It's called adjustment, and restraint. The fact that I might have to lightly tap my child's bottom for his inherent repeated immature behavior and refusal to listen doesn't make me a disgusting or bad parent, nor will it lead him becoming a serial killer or him hating me.
[QUOTE=Shortyish;45773321]lmao chill out giving your kid a light spank or two wont ruin their childhood or make them hate you forever[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying, isn't it kind of true that the last generation of children who were hit for punishment are now for the most part very against hitting their own children? And I'm not talking about the light spankings, talking about what a lot of parents would actually do 20 years ago, with the belts and the wooden spoons and such.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773332]It's still unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
Because you say so? He's just made an argument that it's not detrimental, and your rebuttal is that it's still unacceptable, but why, if you're not debating that it's not detrimental?
BTW I think certain people are generalizing that the kids are being spanked 24/7 for every little inconvenience. It's only in extreme situations, like literally IMPOSSIBLE to handle moments. And spanking doesn't revolve around a grown up slap to the face, it's a tap in the cheeks, it's not a black and white situation, there's a lot more to it. They aren't going to grow up with mental scars ffs.
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