• Unpopular opinions! V2: I Don't like half life edition.
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45773373]BTW I think certain people are generalizing that the kids are being spanked 24/7 for every little inconvenience. It's only in extreme situations, like literally IMPOSSIBLE to handle moments. And spanking doesn't revolve around a grown up slap to the face, it's a tap in the cheeks, it's not a black and white situation, there's a lot more to it.[/QUOTE] I feel like this can't be stressed enough, because people are acting like I think a kid needs 40 lashes for making a mistake, which is severely not the case in any way.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;45773353]It's called adjustment, and restraint. The fact that I might have to lightly tap my child's bottom for his inherent repeated immature behavior and refusal to listen doesn't make me a disgusting or bad parent, nor will it lead him becoming a serial killer or him hating me.[/QUOTE] Spanking isn't light tapping. Light tapping would be patting them on the butt. Spanking is when you smack with enough force to cause pain. The pain does nothing but say "You were bad", but in no clear way so as to actually enforce any real parenting, and only poisons your child against you. To you, spanking is a clear response, however brutal, to a misdeed by your child. All your child sees is "I was doing something, then my dad grabbed me and started hurting me". [editline]22nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;45773373]BTW I think certain people are generalizing that the kids are being spanked 24/7 for every little inconvenience. It's only in extreme situations, like literally IMPOSSIBLE to handle moments. And spanking doesn't revolve around a grown up slap to the face, it's a tap in the cheeks, it's not a black and white situation, there's a lot more to it. They aren't going to grow up with mental scars ffs.[/QUOTE] There's no "literally impossible" to handle moment that requires actively harming your child. If you don't have the willpower to resist causing your own kid pain, then you shouldn't be a parent and might possibly have anger issues.
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773389]Spanking isn't light tapping. Light tapping would be patting them on the butt. Spanking is when you smack with enough force to cause pain. The pain does nothing but say "You were bad", but in no clear way so as to actually enforce any real parenting, and only poisons your child against you. To you, spanking is a clear response, however brutal, to a misdeed by your child. All your child sees is "I was doing something, then my dad grabbed me and started hurting me".[/QUOTE] Again, for the hundredth time, you're confusing what I consider a spank (or what may be a spank at some point) with the layperson definition of a spank, and I'm sorry I haven't made it more clear what I mean by, "spank," despite my repeated efforts. I am [I]literally [/I]talking about a light pat on the butt, followed immediately by (at the point that this would be needed) yet another explanation about why he is being disciplined, followed by grounding/time out, depending on how old he is/his current privileges. I think it kind of goes without saying that I am not of the intent/purposefully attempting to harm/cause pain to my child while teaching him a lesson. Thank you for repeatedly generalizing my explanations/reasonings for the sake of your argument.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45773408]Reading comprehension classes will be helpful to you, I advise them.[/QUOTE] I read your post. [quote]BTW I think certain people are generalizing that the kids are being spanked 24/7 for every little inconvenience. [/quote] Some people are, but some aren't. I know you're not saying you're going to beat your kid half to death every time they step out of line; I just think it's unacceptable to strike your child under any circumstance. [quote]It's only in extreme situations, like literally IMPOSSIBLE to handle moments[/quote] I already covered this, but if you don't have the willpower to resist striking your child, you shouldn't be a parent. [quote]And spanking doesn't revolve around a grown up slap to the face, it's a tap in the cheeks,[/quote] It's pretty disturbing how you downplay causing tangible pain to your child as "a tap in the cheeks". [quote]it's not a black and white situation, there's a lot more to it.[/quote] Tell me how it isn't a black and white situation. Your child is misbehaving severely, and your response is to hit them. I'd really love to understand how that can be seen as anything but a violent overreaction. [editline]22nd August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hippowombat;45773413]Again, for the hundredth time, you're confusing what I consider a spank (or what may be a spank at some point) with the layperson definition of a spank, and I'm sorry I haven't made it more clear what I mean by, "spank," despite my repeated efforts. I am [I]literally [/I]talking about a light pat on the butt, followed immediately by (at the point that this would be needed) yet another explanation about why he is being disciplined, followed by grounding/time out, depending on how old he is/his current privileges. I think it kind of goes without saying that I am not of the intent/purposefully attempting to harm/cause pain to my child while teaching him a lesson. Thank you for repeatedly generalizing my explanations/reasonings for the sake of your argument.[/QUOTE] If you're not intentionally causing pain to your child as discipline then you're not spanking them, and that's fine. I wouldn't advise using the word spank, though, it gives the wrong meaning to what you do.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773452]It's pretty disturbing how you downplay causing tangible pain to your child as "a tap in the cheeks"[/QUOTE] It's pretty frustrating that you're exaggerating a tap on the behind to an ass beating and generalizing every parent-child relationship ever to exist to back what I am taking as a bit of an over reaction. Should I not tap my child on the shoulder to get his attention, is that, "attempting to break his collarbone?"
MY EVIL PLAN TO DERAIL THIS THREAD HAS SUCCEEDED MARVELOUSLY, MAHAHAAAHAHAHA no but for real it's frustrating you can't bring this up without causing a huge debate
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45773452]If you're not intentionally causing pain to your child as discipline then you're not spanking them, and that's fine. I wouldn't advise using the word spank, though, it gives the wrong meaning to what you do.[/QUOTE] I think it might be one of those things that's defined by a parent rather than a dictionary definition, similar to a lot of things in parenting.
Prisons should be transformed into rehabilitation centers and fixed sentences should be replaced with a system that determines whether a criminal still poses a threat to society or not.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;45773493]MY EVIL PLAN TO DERAIL THIS THREAD HAS SUCCEEDED MARVELOUSLY, MAHAHAAAHAHAHA no but for real it's frustrating you can't bring this up without causing a huge debate[/QUOTE] haha for real this is a brutally touchy subject :p it's good though, good to talk this out with people, it's nice to see different perspectives.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;45773503]haha for real this is a brutally touchy subject :p it's good though, good to talk this out with people, it's nice to see different perspectives.[/QUOTE] It would probably make for a good Mass Debate thread
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;45773525]It would probably make for a good Mass Debate thread[/QUOTE] I agree, it sped up this thread quite a bit. I don't think I have the energy to participate again though :p
[QUOTE=The golden;45773614]You know I don't mind debates and debating with people of opposing views but this kind of overly-aggressive condescending bullshit can fuck off. I actually used to like you somewhat Gwoodman but if this is what you degrade into when someone doesn't agree with your views then that's pretty sad.[/QUOTE] It's pretty annoying when someone hits the same note on a discussion regardless what you say as well so there's that. But I apologize, I understand it being upsetting, I'll focus on avoiding doing it ever again.
Last thing I'm going to post about this discussion: Yes, spanking (however you define it) can be used too liberally and cause your children real anguish, which is why restraint by the parent plays such a huge role in it, which I think was kind of skipped over in most arguments presented by pro-spankers, myself included. However, it can be argued that timeouts/groundings can be used too liberally as well. (really over-disciplining in any form can be damaging.) My mother only spanked me one time, when I was about 3 years old. I don't even remember it, that's how young I was. From that point on (and before then) she resorted to timeouts and groundings, and (aforementioned somewhere above) flat out denying any kind of attention (ignoring) which seems more nice, only she used these too liberally for really minor offenses, and as a result I had serious social issues until about half way through high school, and I resented my mother for a long time (in some ways I still do) which actually led to a major fallout between the two of us that lasted 7 months and caused a lot of damage for the both of us. Restraint, patience and understanding are hugely important in parenthood, and no matter your choice of punishment, there are absolutely limits to when and how you should utilize them. I think that's what we should really all take from this discussion.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45769926]Natural Selection 2 is fucking terrible. I can't understand why people defend this game. The Optimisation is some of the worst I've ever seen, even on my 1Gb 7750 and 6 Core OC'd CPU the game runs <25fps on Med-high settings, this is pretty incredible considering the game was released 2 years ago, received 286 patches and mostly consists of dark corridors. Not only does the game run awfully, the Loading times are unholy. I waited for [B]5 minutes [/B] for the game to load 1 map, I spent less time downloading the game. From what I managed to play of the game, the gameplay doesn't seem to be any better. Boring FPS for the Marines and Gimmicky gameplay for the Aliens. I pre-ordered this game before it was in pre-alpha in 2010 for £25 and I still feel ripped off. The original Mod was far better.[/QUOTE] It's not the best game, but I do agree that it kinda sucks. I spent steam wallet money on it during a sale (it was $6), but I regret it. It's just taking up space on my steam game list and I wish I could refund it.
robin williams wasn't funny
[QUOTE=drutehtkehs;45774468]robin williams wasn't funny[/QUOTE] I can actually understand this. He's got that fast-paced improv style going. I dig it, though.
[QUOTE=drutehtkehs;45774468]robin williams wasn't funny[/QUOTE] Maybe you should post that in this thread [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1419604[/url]
[QUOTE=Dub!;45774523]Maybe you should post that in this thread [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1419604[/url][/QUOTE] i didnt really care much for him at all i saw like, mrs doubtfire when i was a kid. havent really seen or cared about much else he's been in though
[QUOTE=Dub!;45774523]Maybe you should post that in this thread [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1419604[/url][/QUOTE] has avatar of devil may cry reboot
That reminds me. I liked the DmC Reboot.
[QUOTE=drutehtkehs;45774468]robin williams wasn't funny[/QUOTE] Although I didn't always find him funny there was always that sense of nostalgia for me whenever I watched him or heard his voice. That alone made me laugh by remembering all of the good times I had watching his stuff.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;45771408]The lead singer for Muse is one of my favorite singers of all time. I don't even know why, I just dig how cool his voice sounds. Plus, Matthew Ballamy is a sexy motherfucker, but that's beside the point. [t]http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_full/v1364526206/matthew-bellamy-pic.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] What is wrong with his face? It looks like someone took a face from another photo at a different angle and photoshopped it on to that one. [QUOTE=Gwoodman;45772506]What an overstatement, holy crap Have you ever even taken care of a child? Longer than ~6 months hopefully[/QUOTE] You know what actually really works in my personal experience? Treating a kid with quite a bit more respect than most people do and actually hearing what they have to say. I've dealt with quite a few kids ranging from 2 to mid teens and in every case (where they were old enough to actually communicate at least) that has always solved any issues. Especially in cases where the parent would normally punish them by spanking them. Also as someone pointed out earlier, doing things like spanking (as well as punishing a kid for coming clean when they've lied) only teaches them to just not get caught rather than teaching them not to do those things.
gta v's story is fucking awful
[QUOTE=Alice3173;45775432]You know what actually really works in my personal experience? Treating a kid with quite a bit more respect than most people do and actually hearing what they have to say. I've dealt with quite a few kids ranging from 2 to mid teens and in every case (where they were old enough to actually communicate at least) that has always solved any issues. Especially in cases where the parent would normally punish them by spanking them. Also as someone pointed out earlier, doing things like spanking (as well as punishing a kid for coming clean when they've lied) only teaches them to just not get caught rather than teaching them not to do those things.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm just a special case, then, because I'm open with my parents with just about everything. I talk to them about my problems and I'm always honest when something bad happens. Some people look at it as bizarre but that's just how I am. I don't see why you would want to do anything you wouldn't defend to your own mother and father. And, yes, at the same time, I was beat because there are some things that are impossible to get through to a stubborn child. I was that stubborn child once, and I'm in total defense for spankings. Note that I'm not saying "abuse" or "brawls" or "nonsense", I'm saying spankings. My parents have always respected me and has always taught me to question everything and speak up when I've got something to say - but also to not be a giant dick about it. That's the most valuable thing I think my parents have given me. Spankings aren't the problem, and all of you who think otherwise need to get it through your heads that it's so much more than that. Spanking your kid is not an admittance to failure - not talking to your kid and choosing to ignore your child is failure. I was spanked when I started getting physical but I wasn't ignored.
[QUOTE=tempunary;45775474]gta v's story is fucking awful[/QUOTE] GTA IV's was boring and so were most of the characters Niko is so fucking not interesting its insane
[QUOTE=tempunary;45775474]gta v's story is fucking awful[/QUOTE] It was still better than the others at least, honestly GTA has always had a shitty story.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45775676]Maybe I'm just a special case, then, because I'm open with my parents with just about everything. I talk to them about my problems and I'm always honest when something bad happens. Some people look at it as bizarre but that's just how I am. I don't see why you would want to do anything you wouldn't defend to your own mother and father. And, yes, at the same time, I was beat because there are some things that are impossible to get through to a stubborn child. I was that stubborn child once, and I'm in total defense for spankings. Note that I'm not saying "abuse" or "brawls" or "nonsense", I'm saying spankings. My parents have always respected me and has always taught me to question everything and speak up when I've got something to say - but also to not be a giant dick about it. That's the most valuable thing I think my parents have given me. Spankings aren't the problem, and all of you who think otherwise need to get it through your heads that it's so much more than that. Spanking your kid is not an admittance to failure - not talking to your kid and choosing to ignore your child is failure. I was spanked when I started getting physical but I wasn't ignored.[/QUOTE] You're definitely a unique case from what I've seen. Most parents aren't really that open with their kids at all. (Which only encourages the kids to go behind their back rather than discourage them from anything.) I disagree that spanking is necessary in the end but in a case like you mentioned I guess it's really up to the person in question. I'm apparently stupidly patient with kids despite being really impatient normally so I'll just stick through talking to them until I get across to them personally. But maybe others can't be so patient with kids.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45774646]If you, in stable mind, consent to being eaten by a cannible under no duress, its okay.[/QUOTE] the logic works out as long as you accept the premise i wonder who in the hell in a stable mind would want to eat eaten?
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45776341]the logic works out as long as you accept the premise i wonder who in the hell in a stable mind would want to eat eaten?[/QUOTE] there exist some furries out there with specific fetishes you know
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