[QUOTE=Eric95;47922457]I never saw any implied romance between any of the girls in Euphonium, I think the people who do are just kind of looking too hard and imagining things[/QUOTE]
Nerds find yuri in everything; I didn't really see any overt yuri in madoka but apparently people did, and now the pandering as fuck third movie has made it canon. Nerds can't accept that girls can be friends without it being yuri.
[editline]10th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=maxumym;47922482]Eh, you can't deny that scene on the mountain was sort of baiting it.
But on the other hand apparently people thought Love Lab would be yuri when they establish the fact the girls are all straight in the very first episode so I don't know.[/QUOTE]
people are just desperate for a yuri anime that isn't shit, probably.
kiniro mosaic is my favorite yuri
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47922492]Nerds find yuri in everything; I didn't really see any overt yuri in madoka but apparently people did, and now the pandering as fuck third movie has made it canon. Nerds can't accept that girls can be friends without it being yuri.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what being horny and wanting fictional characters to be shipped together has to do with not being able to accept girls as just being friends.
If they are friends and they don't think they are hot enough together then they're left alone. Obviously this never happens because there is more than 1 person and 1 taste in a fanbase.
I still don't understand where I was supposed to look for yuri in K-ON.
I mean there are pretty glaring cases where it's visible to the naked eye they're more than just friends, like Saki (good god, Saki), YYY or Symphogear, but baseless shipping makes you the same as a fujoshi and people don't like fujoshi.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922507]I don't know what being horny and wanting fictional characters to be shipped together has to do with not being able to accept girls as just being friends.
If they are friends and they don't think they are hot enough together then they're left alone. Obviously this never happens because there is more than 1 person and 1 taste in a fanbase.[/QUOTE]
Romance is in damn near everything and yuri bait is common. Anything and everything is interpreted as a romantic gesture.
The mountain scene was clearly baiting though, even [url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/229468864/4chan%20Numbered/1433854580693.jpg]Kumiko[/url] is going "are you implying something here". Other than that though there's none of it.
I'm vaguely reminded of Pacific Rim and how people came out of it going "wow the romance was written really poorly", the idea of the mandatory romance so ingrained that they didn't realise that the movie has no romance and the leads are just friends.
I would be quite happy if shows would give romance a break every once in a while and just have the leads be friends or not give the main character a love interest.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922507]I don't know what being horny and wanting fictional characters to be shipped together has to do with not being able to accept girls as just being friends.
If they are friends and they don't think they are hot enough together then they're left alone. Obviously this never happens because there is more than 1 person and 1 taste in a fanbase.[/QUOTE]
Because every time two girls in an anime are slightly closer then average friends people start shipping them super hard? madoka's relationships can easily be interpreted as very close friendships that are not romantic, but everyone is just "nope they must be gay"
[QUOTE=Reds;47922526]Romance is in damn near everything and yuri bait is common. Anything and everything is interpreted as a romantic gesture.[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of non-romance amongst side-characters. Just because girls touch each other a bit and give off some compliments doesn't mean there is any yuri baiting in it, that's just what some girls do.
As you say, everything and anything is interpreted in a romantic and/or sexual fashion, but that's just people seeing what they want to see. Tumblr wouldn't be a thing if people didn't insert their own interpretations onto other peoples work and words, finding things that aren't there, making assumptions.
[editline]10th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47922552]Because every time two girls in an anime are slightly closer then average friends people start shipping them super hard? madoka's relationships can easily be interpreted as very close friendships that are not romantic, but everyone is just "nope they must be gay"[/QUOTE]
They are fictional characters, these people find them hot and think they would make for a good lesbian couple to fap to.
Why does their interests matter to you? Do they represent everyone else that aren't you? You're using a huge comb right now.
The whole "close friends automatically means homosexuality" thing gets pretty tedious pretty quickly.
[QUOTE=Reds;47922584]The whole "close friends automatically means homosexuality" thing gets pretty tedious pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
"they looked at each other! They must be in love!'
[QUOTE=Reds;47922584]The whole "close friends automatically means homosexuality" thing gets pretty tedious pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to look up fanart, and it is just that, fanart, fanfiction.
Why do you let a minority of people bother you because they have fun with their own fantasies?
There is a new wave of 13-16 year olds coming every year, they will never stop being introduced to anime and being inspired to make their own pieces of fanfic, fanart and shippings.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922588]You don't have to look up fanart, and it is just that, fanart, fanfiction.
Why do you let a minority of people bother you because they have fun with their own fantasies?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say people who are shipping/drawing conclusions like these are a minority for that show. It also depends where you discuss it. On Facepunc/SA shipping is kinda a minority, but most anywhere else it comes up fairly often.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922588]You don't have to look up fanart, and it is just that, fanart, fanfiction.
Why do you let a minority of people bother you because they have fun with their own fantasies?[/QUOTE]
Because they fuck the threads up.
Although it's not like a KyoAni anime can get shitpost-free threads on /a/ anyway, just the name is enough to attract shitposters.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47922594]I wouldn't say people who are shipping/drawing conclusions like these are a minority for that show. It also depends where you discuss it. On Facepunc/SA shipping is kinda a minority, but most anywhere else it comes up fairly often.[/QUOTE]
That show? We are talking about anime in general. Eupho (which I'm not watching) and Madoka are only examples brought up.
It's a minority for all shows, compare the amount of people doing it "anywhere else" to the people not doing it "anywhere else".
You're just putting on your bias glasses and combing a lot.
This is why it's a bit of a dillema for a show you like that has low popularity: on one hand you want it to succeed commercially and get more popular, on the other hand, the less posters a show attracts, the better the threads for the show will be. Which is why I cherish the memories of Buddy Complex, Argevollen etc threads.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922588]You don't have to look up fanart, and it is just that, fanart, fanfiction.
Why do you let a minority of people bother you because they have fun with their own fantasies?[/QUOTE]
You seem a bit aggressive in defending people's rights to ship gratuitously here.
I don't care if people enjoy shipping characters because they've been doing it since the dawn of time and will never stop, that doesn't bother me, it's the insistence and overfocusing on it that is a little annoying. Like, I get that people enjoy romance but not everything has to be it and it kind of feels like that kind of thinking occasionally leaks into shows and baits at something that isn't even real in how some acts of people caring for their friends are occasionally portrayed. Usually in the form of yuri bait. That's a bit of an over-encompassing statement but whatever.
I can't think of a very good way to express my thoughts on the matter, this may or may not turn into a "wait that's not what I meant' back and forth...
[QUOTE=maxumym;47922603]Because they fuck the threads up.
Although it's not like a KyoAni anime can get shitpost-free threads on /a/ anyway, just the name is enough to attract shitposters.[/QUOTE]
You can't get shitpost-free threads on 4chan, why the hell are you expecting anything else?
Why are you even on 4chan and complaining when people act like they're on 4chan?
[QUOTE=dgg;47922588]You don't have to look up fanart, and it is just that, fanart, fanfiction.
Why do you let a minority of people bother you because they have fun with their own fantasies?
There is a new wave of 13-16 year olds coming every year, they will never stop being introduced to anime and being inspired to make their own pieces of fanfic, fanart and shippings.[/QUOTE]
There are people literally complaining that the SHOW ITSELF wasn't yuri enough in Euphonium's case, and getting mad it kyoani for teasing them when it was all in their own heads. fanfiction has nothing to do with this, I mena when fans try and act like the shipping is in the show itself when it isn't.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922605]That show? We are talking about anime in general. Eupho (which I'm not watching) and Madoka are only examples brought up.
It's a minority for all shows, compare the amount of people doing it "anywhere else" to the people not doing it "anywhere else".
You're just putting on your bias glasses and combing a lot.[/QUOTE]
Just speaking from experience man.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47922552]Because every time two girls in an anime are slightly closer then average friends people start shipping them super hard? madoka's relationships can easily be interpreted as very close friendships that are not romantic, but everyone is just "nope they must be gay"[/QUOTE]
I do agree that people do ship some girls in anime too easily(like k-on! for example) with other girls
Personally I don't ship THAT much. Although in the case of Madoka
[sp] Only 2 I really ship are Madoka and Homura is because at least Homura definitely loves Madoka in a romantic way.
The series didn't make it 100% IMO ( although going back in time 100 times, reliving the same month over and over made me go like 'yeah she loves madoka').
But Rebellion did make it 100% because she literally says it. Its very unclear if Madoka feels the same back though.[/sp]
In case of Euphonium [sp] That mountain scene made me ship those 2 cause I really thought it would go that way. And maybe I am a fool for doing so, I will admit it.[/sp]
Although people also do the same with straight relationships in anime much of the time. But I can see your point and understand.
[QUOTE=maxumym;47922612]This is why it's a bit of a dillema for a show you like that has low popularity: on one hand you want it to succeed commercially and get more popular, on the other hand, the less posters a show attracts, the better the threads for the show will be. Which is why I cherish the memories of Buddy Complex, Argevollen etc threads.[/QUOTE]
Eh, that's just because people would rather watch something popular that they hate so they can bitch and whine and shitpost and go "look at me i don't like thing" more than they would watch a low-key show that isn't as flashy and doesn't reach as high but ends up being extremely good and they would definitely like.
Argevollen was a horrible case of this. It's Front Mission: the anime and what were people doing? Watching and whining about Aldnoah.Zero because nobody cares if you're watching a show that not many people are watching and has slow pacing compared for the show that screams "look at me look at me" and proceeds to embarrass itself.
/m/'s the worst for this. Pick a random popular seasonal show and people will crawl over each other to tell you how special they are for not liking it, while carefully watching each episode each week with extreme dedication just so they're up to date on what to whine about.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922615]You can't get shitpost-free threads on 4chan, why the hell are you expecting anything else?
Why are you even on 4chan and complaining when people act like they're on 4chan?[/QUOTE]
Sure you can.
Hell, the threads are like 1/3rd of my overall enjoyment I get from Pleiades.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;47922619]I do agree that people do ship some girls in anime too easily(like k-on! for example) with other girls
Personally I don't ship THAT much. Although in the case of Madoka
[sp] Only 2 I really ship are Madoka and Homura is because at least Homura definitely loves Madoka in a romantic way.
The series didn't make it 100% IMO ( although going back in time 100 times, reliving the same month over and over made me go like 'yeah she loves madoka').
But Rebellion did make it 100% because she literally says it. Its very unclear if Madoka feels the same back though.[/sp]
In case of Euphonium [sp] That mountain scene made me ship those 2 cause I really thought it would go that way. And maybe I am a fool for doing so, I will admit it.[/sp]
Although people also do the same with straight relationships in anime much of the time. But I can see your point and understand.[/QUOTE]
madoka rebellion: [sp]yeah, but madoka rebellion is fanwank trash, why is mami living with the witch that ate her? cause the fans like it. why is homura explicitly in love with madoka romanticly? fans. You can love someone without it being romantic, sure homura was leaning more towards romance with madoka, but it's still only implied by the viewer until madoka: fanwank[/sp]
[QUOTE=Reds;47922630]
Argevollen was a horrible case of this. It's Front Mission: the anime and what were people doing? Watching and whining about Aldnoah.Zero because nobody cares if you're watching a show that not many people are watching and has slow pacing compared for the show that screams "look at me look at me" and proceeds to embarrass itself.
[/QUOTE]
I was going to bring up the Aldnoah.Zero series for how little discussion there was about the show vs. shipping but I felt like that wasn't really fair.
[video=https://youtu.be/FckkZihQUaU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckkZihQUaU[/video]
A little NSFW.
[QUOTE=dgg;47922615]You can't get shitpost-free threads on 4chan, why the hell are you expecting anything else?
Why are you even on 4chan and complaining when people act like they're on 4chan?[/QUOTE]
I don't bother with /a/ for two reasons: one, they spoil everything in abundance. Two, they're far more concerned with obsessing over OTPs and waifus than actually discussing the show.
Exceptions to this are usually shows that only a few people are watching. They don't attract the lowest common denominator due to their low numbers, the only people watching are the ones that enjoy the show so they just want to talk about it properly, and there's very few shitposters because you get no attention for shitposting about shows the big crowds aren't watching. Akatsuki no Yona threads were downright pleasant whenever I stuck my head in.
[editline]11th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=maxumym;47922631]Sure you can.
Hell, the threads are like 1/3rd of my overall enjoyment I get from Pleiades.[/QUOTE]
It must be great for you and the four other people watching it.
[QUOTE=Reds;47922613]You seem a bit aggressive in defending people's rights to ship gratuitously here.
I don't care if people enjoy shipping characters because they've been doing it since the dawn of time and will never stop, that doesn't bother me, it's the insistence and overfocusing on it that is a little annoying. Like, I get that people enjoy romance but not everything has to be it and it kind of feels like that kind of thinking occasionally leaks into shows and baits at something that isn't even real in how some acts of people caring for their friends are occasionally portrayed. Usually in the form of yuri bait. That's a bit of an over-encompassing statement but whatever.
I can't think of a very good way to express my thoughts on the matter, this may or may not turn into a "wait that's not what I meant' back and forth...[/QUOTE]
I defend peoples right to be themselves and do what they want. I don't see the point in getting annoyed at what others do because you wouldn't do it yourself, that is just causing trouble and frustration for yourself for no reason.
What insistence and over focusing? What are you referring to? The shows? The fans?
Anime is primarily meant for teenagers, at time when relationships, tits, penis and vagina starts becoming a part of their lives, when their hormones are out of wack and they have an urge to bang anything. Obviously you get their attention when you appeal to their lusts and fantasies, leaving in subtle hints for them to fantasize further.
I don't think most anime ever intended to portray a real sense of friendship to begin with, they're all sugarcoated honey dipped sweethearts. Anime portrays the pure friendship, where everyone cares more about others than themselves, and when they get a bit selfish they feel bad about it and then everyone else cheers them up and hey lets make dinner and do a sleepover and have the best time of our lives.
I think it's important when criticizing anime shows to keep in mind who they're meant to appeal to, who they're meant to sell for. In most cases the answer is most likely "not me".
[QUOTE=dgg;47922668]I defend peoples right to be themselves and do what they want.[/QUOTE]
It's not like anyone here wants to deny them that right.
They're just stating that they don't like that particular form of what they're doing.
I just like to watch anime because it is fun.
That's all fine and dandy for them but sometimes I just want to talk about all aspects of a show with a bunch of people in a calm and polite fashion.
Even if I know I won't get it from most of /a/ there's nothing wrong with still wanting it and pointing out that it's often annoying.
And then you go "well why bother complaining at all if it's a foregone conclusion", and the answer is that it's because I'm a human being and I'm going to whine about things that bother me regardless of whether or not it's practical to do so.
[editline]11th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47922688]I just like to watch anime because it is fun.[/QUOTE]
everybody get a load of this loser
Seriously though Euphonium [sp]should have gone Yuri or nothing because Shuichi sucks. He isn't even a character.[/sp]
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