[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48310915]I wouldn't say it's BAD, but it is overrated a bit/lot.
Also, overrated =! bad; I have no idea why people constantly confuse the two[/QUOTE]
Because for some reason if somebody isn't as good as people are hyping it up to be, or it isn't as good as it could be, it's automatically trash. It's this weird automatic hyperbole that a stupid number of people fall into.
[QUOTE=RejectedPost;48310930]Because for some reason if somebody isn't as good as people are hyping it up to be, or it isn't as good as it could be, it's automatically trash. It's this weird automatic hyperbole that a stupid number of people fall into.[/QUOTE]
I told a good friend of mine that I thought Cowboy Bebop was overrated, and he assumed I hated it and proceeded to rant at me for a good few hours about how great it was
[QUOTE=xBackfire;48310837]"like a child trying to imitate evangelion" what the fuck are you talking about dude lmao
Are you trying to say Ikuhara has no idea what he's doing? That Utena was "a child trying to imitate evangelion" as well? His works are beautiful, have lots of meaning and typically aren't "meaningless".
Explaining why something has meaning is like explaining a joke. If you didn't get it, you won't get it.
I've seen a lot of things that go over peoples heads, and instead of trying to handle them, or god forsake put thought into why they're there or research anything, they call it meaningless and trash it.
I don't care if you don't like penguindrum but you dislike it for childish reasons.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen utena, I compared eva and penguindrum because I felt their approach to symbolism was similar, I fully understand what penguindrum's symbolism was trying to do, it just utterly failed at it.
Humor is subjective, symbolism is partially subjective, but the creator has to have intentional plans for it's interpretation other wise it's meaningless. In 2001 a space odyssey, Stanly Kubrick said he "wanted there to be more questions then answers", meaning the symbolism in 2001 is actually bullshit with no thought behind it thrown in to confuse you.
This is how I feel about penguindrum, half the symbolism feels utterly meaningless in it's story about abandonment, the end, the symbolism is about abandonment. I understand what the show is about, it does it badly, wastes time, throws in red herrings ad it all amounts to an ending that takes the allegory of the earlier episodes and makes it fact randomly.
if you try and tell me I don't understand the symbolism I won't believe you, I'm smart enough to see what's laid out in front of me. Defending something with "it's just 2deep4u" kind of makes me more confident in my belief that I'm not wrong, evangelion isn't even deep it just contains symbolism, incredibly obvious symbolism.
but it actually meant something in the story instead of meaning absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=RejectedPost;48310930]Because for some reason if somebody isn't as good as people are hyping it up to be, or it isn't as good as it could be, it's automatically trash. It's this weird automatic hyperbole that a stupid number of people fall into.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad I'm a person who never does research about shows beforehand, nor do I read nearly enough still media to get hyped about adaptations.
Though I read Watamote and Prison School as manga, and the adaptions are pretty satisfying.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48310913]I like this version of why it was bad.
But, this guy isn't actually in Brazil. He moved to Japan and even changed his name just so he could make weeb media[/QUOTE]
why bother, brazil already has one of the world's highest populations of japanese immigrants/descendants of immigrants
being a weeb here is almost obligatory, especially in younger generations
oh wow these last few pages went by [I]fast[/I]
Who's doing next thread?
[QUOTE=ashxu;48310890]i bet you're behind the majority of the bad ocs in on /aa2g/
although i haven't been there in awhile, waiting on english tl of that new meido game[/QUOTE]that depends on what you mean by that
As for CM3D2, i've been doing a completely blind playthrough of CM3D2 and I like it so far for some of it's aspects. Notably there's more sex positions and the animation is on par, if not better than AA2's. The way it's done is fine, though you get penalized if you go over some stamina bar thing. I'm sure you've probably read some people's thoughts on it but the grind is absurd with admittedly not much payoff; though a hongfire source posted on /hgg/ claimed there was over 70k lines but I'm skeptical of that. Though you have to keep in mind KISS might've had a bigger budget for VAs and the Personality pool is far smaller, being only 3 total, but they're still good though.
Though AA2 is also somewhat grindy with not much payoff either; shallow as heck, no real relationship development after getting into a relationship, even lesser dialogue and such than CM3D2, though that's to be expected because ILL had like almost close to 28? VAs, compared to KISS (so far?) having only 3. This can change though because from what I've read KISS likes to thoroughly milk it's games unlike ILL, who shovels in new games on a regualr basis and aside from AA2 don't really support their games after release.
Like AA2 it suffers from repetitiveness but there are still a good amount of random events that happen. The VAs, though limited, deliver their lines pretty well even though I understand jackshit of it. The middle personality, kuudere in particualr is really great. I haven't gotten to do a meido of the 1st default one but the 3rd one is alright, but I don't care too much for her.
I can't really compare nor say one which is better than the other because you just can't, they're both shallow, grindy, and suffer from repetiveness. AA2 at least has a strong modding community and better sliders, but I'm inclined to like KISS's artstyle more, but it suffers from severe sameface and very limited sliders and a collection of limited clothings that you have to grind hours to even get. This could change if KISS updates to milk it and I've heard time and again that the 1st meido game had a pretty decent modding community so I kinda have hopes for this, never played it myself though but I heard from veteran players that KISS is lagging behind in some aspects while Illusion is moving forward when it's stuff (sexy beach had a crap ton holy crap)
ok that was really uncencssary post but whatever it couldn't be helped :ok:
edit: I should mention there is a basic UI hongfire translation out, it only translates the circle things as far as I'm aware. I have no idea if /hgg/ or /aa2g/'s original translators will step forward; apparently one of the original AA2 translators didn't like CM2D2's gameplay so we probably most likely won't expect a TL from either of them. Someone in /hgg/ managed to find that you could easily edit some files (as the game is unity based) so we might still be able to get translation faster than expected. But hey. Six months.
[QUOTE=ashxu;48310840]i want to believe you only did this so people come out with opinions that they're normally too scared to post so we can judge their taste[/QUOTE]
I did it because I wanted to post I disliked punpun in a way that wouldn't sound like I came here just to complain about people liking something I don't
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48310997]oh wow these last few pages went by [I]fast[/I]
Who's doing next thread?[/QUOTE]
Maybe dgg if Orkel isn't online? He made the OP after all.
If neither of them are online, eh, I'll do it.
Hey xBackfire thanks for dumbing me and not actually responding, that basically means you admit you have no followup argument and are mad at me for disagreeing with your opinion.
I don't think anything is changing outside now Spring anime list is Summer, not sure if it matters
I haven't been following the Penguin-bongo-drums argument since I think I've had enough Ikuhara after Utena but the worst thing to do when you're arguing with somebody who doesn't like a heavily symbolic and whatever show like Ikuhara's stuff is to go "2deep4u". That usually just makes people more convinced that what they're against is pretentious or tryhard.
[QUOTE=RejectedPost;48311042]I haven't been following the Penguin-bongo-drums argument since I think I've had enough Ikuhara after Utena but the worst thing to do when you're arguing with somebody who doesn't like a heavily symbolic and whatever show like Ikuhara's stuff is to go "2deep4u". That usually just makes people more convinced that what they're against is pretentious or tryhard.[/QUOTE]
Clearly the penguin farts are a metaphor.
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[del]I'd explain the meanings behind the extensive symbolism, but that would be like explaining a joke, so I won't.[/del]
:snip: I'm early for once
[QUOTE=kamikaze470;48311007]that depends on what you mean by that
As for CM3D2, i've been doing a completely blind playthrough of CM3D2 and I like it so far for some of it's aspects. Notably there's more sex positions and the animation is on par, if not better than AA2's. The way it's done is fine, though you get penalized if you go over some stamina bar thing. I'm sure you've probably read some people's thoughts on it but the grind is absurd with admittedly not much payoff; though a hongfire source posted on /hgg/ claimed there was over 70k lines but I'm skeptical of that. Though you have to keep in mind KISS might've had a bigger budget for VAs and the Personality pool is far smaller, being only 3 total, but they're still good though.
Though AA2 is also somewhat grindy with not much payoff either; shallow as heck, no real relationship development after getting into a relationship, even lesser dialogue and such than CM3D2, though that's to be expected because ILL had like almost close to 28? VAs, compared to KISS (so far?) having only 3. This can change though because from what I've read KISS likes to thoroughly milk it's games unlike ILL, who shovels in new games on a regualr basis and aside from AA2 don't really support their games after release.
Like AA2 it suffers from repetitiveness but there are still a good amount of random events that happen. The VAs, though limited, deliver their lines pretty well even though I understand jackshit of it. The middle personality, kuudere in particualr is really great. I haven't gotten to do a meido of the 1st default one but the 3rd one is alright, but I don't care too much for her.
I can't really compare nor say one which is better than the other because you just can't, they're both shallow, grindy, and suffer from repetiveness. AA2 at least has a strong modding community and better sliders, but I'm inclined to like KISS's artstyle more, but it suffers from severe sameface and very limited sliders and a collection of limited clothings that you have to grind hours to even get. This could change if KISS updates to milk it and I've heard time and again that the 1st meido game had a pretty decent modding community so I kinda have hopes for this, never played it myself though but I heard from veteran players that KISS is lagging behind in some aspects while Illusion is moving forward when it's stuff (sexy beach had a crap ton holy crap)
ok that was really uncencssary post but whatever it couldn't be helped :ok:[/QUOTE]
woah there you may corrupt the newbies with mentioning lewd games
I usually cheat in hgames anyway, 3d or shitty rpg maker, almost no hgames have interesting gameplay. Only VH does sort of but that'll never be complete.
Whoever the next OP is, they need to correct the fact that Orkel wrote "are bullet hell games your thing" as "is bullet hell games your thing".
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;48311034]Hey xBackfire thanks for dumbing me and not actually responding, that basically means you admit you have no followup argument and are mad at me for disagreeing with your opinion.[/QUOTE]
Gave me 11 minutes to come up with a rebuttal (sorry im bad at spel1!!!)and called my ass out for not following up. Chill out my dude, ratings shouldn't make you that mad.
Basically, what should I say? I'm not going to try to convince you to enjoy it, if you don't like it, that's perfectly fine. If I think you're saying something that isn't entirely based in any knowledge, why am I not allowed to dumb you and then fuck off? I don't want to shit up the thread, but at this point, you have provoked me.
I didn't say "Mawaru is 2deep4u", what I said is, people (you) seem to typically do this where they will go "MAN I DIDN'T LIKE THAT THE DIRECTOR JUST THREW IN RANDOM IDEAS TO CONFUSE PEOPLE, THE STORY SUCKED TOO!", and honestly, Mawaru isn't deep. It's a puddle. But it has great use of juxtaposition throughout the story with the penguins, and there is lots of imagery that connected for me personally.
[sp]The anime does piece it together for you what all these images mean, and it wasn't just "abandonment". The theme of the anime is that fate CAN be changed, because you hold it within yourself to mold your future. The apple represents this, and they beat you over the head with it, and that can get annoying, but you cannot say it has "no meaning". Other things like the penguins represent beings which are servants, they are not free, yet they are birds which is something which >should< represent freedom, which is another theme of the anime, in that all of the siblings are "trapped" within their fate. You can see this in that Shouma and Kanba are doomed due to their parents actions and slip into the evils that their parents pushed upon them (more so kanba than shouma), as well as the fact that both of them were indebted to each other over the actions that happen in "the box", or whatever they call it.[/sp]
All of this ends up being tied through the story, and it's all right there for you in the final episode. Lots of things in that anime mean something, however small. I have no idea what anime you were watching, but the symbolism in Mawaru was not without its purpose. I felt like literally every symbol in the anime was related to freedom and fate, and the fact you thought it was about abandonment makes me question if you DID understand the anime.
Again, no offense, but Mawaru is one of my favorites and seeing the whole thread kind of trash on it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't think rebuttle is a word.
[QUOTE=xBackfire;48311124]
Again, no offense, but Mawaru is one of my favorites and seeing the whole thread kind of trash on it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
Get used to it, we all have something like that
I think I need to re-watch FLCL again
and again
and again
and again
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Had to re-watch the first bit of Penguin Drum. I distinctly remember liking this anime
Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
that's exactly why i like it
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
I have a sub-complaint for the Monogatari series, I don't like Senjougahara very much, and I don't like the fact that everybody gets a lot crazier every season.
[editline]28th July 2015[/editline]
It just bothers me a bit that Araragi is about as normal as you can get in Bakemonogatari season 1, but in Nekomonogatari, which is supposed to be a prequel, he's absolutely nothing like how he originally was.
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
watching characters drone on and on about inconsequential bullshit isn't interesting imo; that aside I love the visuals used
the art is the reason u watch monogatari
Ok, well, since everyone else is having a party, i'll join in. I'm sorry if I was coming off as a dick.
I really enjoy the Eva Rebuilds and think they are an amazing addition to the Eva library. 3.33 is my favorite too, because it added lots of interesting and new stuff we had previously never seen before, even though this seemed to anger pretty much everyone else. I am eagerly in anticipation of 3.0 + 1.0.
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
I think that's kinda preference, yeah most of the dialogue is pointless, but there's a lot of humor and silliness and wordplay in there so it's not just filler.
If you don't like it that's aight tho, I can understand that.
I guess my unpopular opinion is I think lain was pretty boring, had some cool moments and I liked the core concept but there was a lot of pointless stuff in there to throw you off, I pretty much understood about 70% of the plot (and then doing some research I've now got it all figured out) and yeah it just didn't blow me away.
Rather surprising since I fucking love scifi but I just felt like it was taking it too far.
Which reminds me I need to finish boogiepop phantom.
[QUOTE=Wingz;48311305]the art is the reason u watch monogatari[/QUOTE]
I wish I could get a version of this without their silhouettes.
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/229468864/Screencaps/%5BCoalgirls%5D_Nisemonogatari_05_%281280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC%29_%5BEB868D50%5D.mkv_snapshot_15.41_%5B2014.09.02_13.13.50%5D.jpg[/t]
Whoever does the backgrounds for Monogatari must have bleeding fingers by the end of each episode.
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
Except the dialogue and story line unfolds a lot of good character development.
[QUOTE=maxumym;48311252]Am I late to the dissident meetup?
Well here goes: I think the Monogatari series is tedious and boring. It's just lots of long-winded dialogue about completely nothing.[/QUOTE]
Well that's like 80% of the point of the show, if you don't like that you're going to have a bad time.
[QUOTE=ashxu;48311327]Except the dialogue and story line unfolds a lot of good character development.[/QUOTE]
which is fair enough, but that same dialogue is so [I]boring[/I] that its hard for me to sit through it
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