[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47948709]don't watch it in broadcast order, it's only like that because s1 has no ending. if you watch it in chronological order with season 2 and the movie it doesn't have that problem and you can experine the story [I]correctly[/I]
I also think the broadcast order is just dumb as hell in general and annoying to watch, it sticks total filler in between a 2 part episode for one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, chronological order is the reasonable thing to do.
However.
Whatever you do.
Watch Episode 00: The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru BEFORE you start the Sigh of Suzumiya Haruhi arc. Which means watch episode 25 before episode 20, then continue as usual.
[QUOTE=butre;47948860]for story driven things I generally prefer to watch the anime first but if it's just gag strip after gag strip like azumanga daioh then I don't mind reading the manga first[/QUOTE]
The thing with shokugeki is, that it works even better when having read the manga. But thats just personal experience
[QUOTE=t h e;47948482]Hey, can anyone help me out here? I wanna start watching the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya but I know there's two different orderings to the episodes (broadcast & chronological). I want to watch it in the broadcast order, because it seems more fun that way, I suppose. But I've also heard that the second season was aired interspersed with the first one, so do I watch it like: S1 broadcast order > S2 normally? Or is there another ordering that has S2 episodes mixed up with S1 that people recommend? Because I can't find a proper episode ordering list for the latter.
edit: Im just gonna watch it S1 broadcast order and then do the rest normally, and stuff. I just thought there was a special ordering with both S2 and S1 but I think I misunderstood[/QUOTE]
Haruhi is the only thing I would advise people to not watch in broadcast order. It doesn't make any sense. I remember reading the production company reordered the episodes after it was animated in order to give it a dramatic ending, but the episode they chose as the ending is a key episode half way through.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;47949009]i'm not memeing though[/QUOTE]
what, so you believe OPM anime will change anything?
[QUOTE=Akuma_lektro;47949588]what, so you believe OPM anime will change anything?[/QUOTE]
almost everything the past 2 seasons have been pretty shit so yeah
if the adaptation is done well then it will easily be the best
[QUOTE=Boaraes;47949709]almost everything the past 2 seasons have been pretty shit so yeah
[/QUOTE]
In the last two seasons we've had: Assassination Classroom, Death Parade, Durarara!!x2 Shou, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders s2, Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works 2, Kekkai Sensen, Ore Monogatari, and Shokugeki no Souma.
*Note, these are just the shows I personally watched that I think are great, there's probably other standout shows like the new Gintama which I'm not watching.
Anime is a lot stronger now then it's ever been IMO, looking at old lineups on anichart show that most years didn't have shit worth remembering, 1 or 2 good shows at best a season.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47950414]In the last two seasons we've had: [b]Assassination Classroom[/b], Death Parade, Durarara!!x2 Shou, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders s2, Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works 2, Kekkai Sensen, Ore Monogatari, and Shokugeki no Souma.[/QUOTE]
whaaaat i didnt know about that, im really out of the loop. the consolation is that i can bing watch most of it tho
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47950414]In the last two seasons we've had: Assassination Classroom, Death Parade, Durarara!!x2 Shou, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders s2, Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works 2, Kekkai Sensen, Ore Monogatari, and Shokugeki no Souma.
*Note, these are just the shows I personally watched that I think are great, there's probably other standout shows like the new Gintama which I'm not watching.
Anime is a lot stronger now then it's ever been IMO, looking at old lineups on anichart show that most years didn't have shit worth remembering, 1 or 2 good shows at best a season.[/QUOTE]
How is Assroom a good example, let alone even worth naming in any regard?
F/SN is only for people that have played the novel, being otherwise a shitstain.
JoJo isn't anything special outside a finger few episodes.
Wouldn't know about Shoku or Kekkai
Yeah dgg, I agree. You should start shit again!
:v:
Before you assume I'm serious dgg. I'm joking.
I'm somehow quite annoyed when you keep calling it assroom. I know you do it on purpose at this point, just to annoy people like me who care about it. Still, i want to tell you how it is annoying.
Why are you not watching Kekkai sensen or Shokugeki no souma?
And:
There was Shigatsu, and now Kiniro mosaic s2, Oregairu s2, Danmachi, Nisekoi s2 (fuck you haters, its fun to watch), Plastic memories (kinda still alright despite being predictable).
[QUOTE=dgg;47950869]How is Assroom a good example, let alone even worth naming in any regard?
F/SN is only for people that have played the novel, being otherwise a shitstain.
JoJo isn't anything special outside a finger few episodes.
Wouldn't know about Shoku or Kekkai[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, maybe you missed the part of my post where I literally say "this is my opinion"? You not liking a show does not in any way mean that I don't like them, or that I shouldn't like them, or that I consider them good and notable?
Your opinion of UBW is wrong, you expected the wrong kind of show, namely a show like zero, and bitch about it despite that fact that it's fucking great and I'm not saying that as a fan of the VN, it's different and changed enough from the VN to stand on it's own, again in my opinion. No matter what you say now your entire argument at one point was "why isn't it more like zero", you were biased against it from start.
jojo is fucking jojo man, even the weakest parts of jojo are more interesting then almost any other shounen, maybe if you stopped trying to question the logic of videogames being too advanced in a universe with cyborgs you'd like it more?
Shoukugeki is fantastic. The only problem i have with it is 'Do I read the manga'. Because I'm told it's good... but at the same time I am too much of a book nazi and don't want it to ruin my experience of the show.
Also. Kekkai's episode is a recap? Disappointing. then again I'm not entirely sure where this series is going. Though I don't think it will end happy.
[QUOTE=The Jack;47951452]Shoukugeki is fantastic. The only problem i have with it is 'Do I read the manga'. Because I'm told it's good... but at the same time I am too much of a book nazi and don't want it to ruin my experience of the show.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I can't see it ruining your experience considering it's JC fucking Staff making it. Also from the little I've seen of it (a certain cabbage related mahou shoujo transformation scene), which was a quick two page gag in the manga that made you go "eh, haha" is turned into an hilariously awkward and poorly voiced 30 seconds long sequence of animation that makes you go "will my suffering end already" as you go and grab for the nearest sharp object.
I really like the manga. Read 121 chapters in 2-3 days. (That's fast for me)
[QUOTE=ze beaver;47951651]Honestly I can't see it ruining your experience considering it's [B]JC fucking Staff making it.[/B][/QUOTE]
They do good work. Hit or miss.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47951847]They do good work. Hit or miss.[/QUOTE]
Often miss. JC Staff is pretty much the low-mid budget "we will adapt anything for anyone" studio right now, and they do multiple shows every season which spreads out their staff even further.
Every studio can do good or bad shows, it all depends on the staff, budget and source material. As far as SnS goes, we're looking at great source material, and yet the anime looks sort of bleh so I'm gonna guess the issue is with either the budget or the staff. Visually it's very bland and the voice cast is absolutely uninteresting, I'm going to assume the rest is decent if they follow the manga continuity at the right pace which is what seems to be happening.
What I want out of an anime adaptation is quality equal or better than the source material, I'd rather have no adaptation at all than a half assed attempt.
After watching the latest UBW, I just realised something. (spoilers just in case but is probably ok)
[sp]After the reveal of Assassin's "identity," does that mean all the other heroic spirits are "real"? As in, in the Nasu-verse, figures such as King Arthur(ia), Gilgamesh, Medea and Heracles are historically...er...canon? That the Holy Grail is actually meant to summon these people out from the "real" past instead of just summoning Heroic Spirits that are simply storybook characters?[/sp]
Allright, i'm going to go read shokugeki no soma since you guys insist that it won't ruin the enjoyment of the show for me.
I love Yahari, it's a great show, but sometimes it pretentious as hell.
Also I really want someone to punch Hayato right in the fucking jaw.
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;47952826]I love Yahari, it's a great show, but sometimes it pretentious as hell.
Also I really want someone to punch Hayato right in the fucking jaw.[/QUOTE]
If you want to hate someone from Yahari, Haruno is a piece of shit far more deserving of hate.
[QUOTE=maxumym;47952870]If you want to punch someone, punch Haruno.
What a piece of garbage.[/QUOTE]
I hate her too. I think when I called the show pretentious, I actually just meant Hayato, and Haruno too. They're both fucking obnoxious, and I love the show because they can make me hate those two so much.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47951847]They do good work. Hit or miss.[/QUOTE]
As of this season yes. As of after New Dominion, no.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;47952733]After watching the latest UBW, I just realised something. (spoilers just in case but is probably ok)
[sp]After the reveal of Assassin's "identity," does that mean all the other heroic spirits are "real"? As in, in the Nasu-verse, figures such as King Arthur(ia), Gilgamesh, Medea and Heracles are historically...er...canon? That the Holy Grail is actually meant to summon these people out from the "real" past instead of just summoning Heroic Spirits that are simply storybook characters?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]No, some are real people immortalized by their deeds, some are only from myth or legends, and some are real people who made a contract to become heroic spirits (like Archer and Saber). Assassin is an odd case.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Novangel;47953321][sp]No, some are real people immortalized by their deeds, some are only from myth or legends, and some are real people who made a contract to become heroic spirits (like Archer and Saber). Assassin is an odd case.[/sp][/QUOTE]
More UBW spoilers:
[sp]That's what I mean. Assassin makes a point that he never really existed but is rather the "idea" of Sasaki Kojiro - a swordsman that was the rival of Musashi - and that he was inferior because of it. I wasn't sure how that differed from the myths of Heracles and the story of Medea unless Heracle and Medea actually existed in the Nasu-verse as historical figures, especially since Type-Moon is happy to have alternate versions of legends and myths.[/sp]
[QUOTE=creec;47951253]I'm somehow quite annoyed when you keep calling it assroom. I know you do it on purpose at this point, just to annoy people like me who care about it. Still, i want to tell you how it is annoying.
Why are you not watching Kekkai sensen or Shokugeki no souma?[/QUOTE]
I've called it Assroom since the first episode, it has nothing to do whether I like it or not, and it is not to annoy anyone. It's what I like to call it. Show seemed like it could be interesting at the start, then it just became exposition overload and OH NO EVIL PEOPLE LET'S OVERCOME THEM WITH OUR SUPERIOR TRAINING. Yeah sod off. I wanted to see them struggle to beat an alien (like with that whole water hut setup just recently), not come together under the power of friendship thanks to said alien and then beat everyone else.
Have no reason to.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47951293]Hmmm, maybe you missed the part of my post where I literally say "this is my opinion"? You not liking a show does not in any way mean that I don't like them, or that I shouldn't like them, or that I consider them good and notable?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why you think my opinion somehow invalidates yours, take your arguments and apply them the other way around as well, it's a two way street.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47951293]Your opinion of UBW is wrong, you expected the wrong kind of show, namely a show like zero, and bitch about it despite that fact that it's fucking great and I'm not saying that as a fan of the VN, it's different and changed enough from the VN to stand on it's own, again in my opinion. No matter what you say now your entire argument at one point was "why isn't it more like zero", you were biased against it from start.[/QUOTE]
And here you go from defending your ability to have an opinion, and then telling me that I can't have mine because it's "wrong".
I didn't expect F/SN to be like any show, I expected it to be a good show, that's all. I keep [I]comparing[/I] it to Fate Zero because it's set in the same universe, with the same servants and the same starting premise (win the grail), it's an incredibly natural comparison and claiming otherwise is frankly dumb, comparing shows to other shows is what we do all the time.
I wanted a show with interesting characters, Fate/Zero had that, Fate/Stay night doesn't. Fate/Zero proved that the universe has interesting servants and masters that can have some personality. I don't know how making a comparision here is "wrong" when it literally has the same characters, yet the one presents them as uninteresting vessels for plot progression and the other presents them as characters with interesting personalities that develop with their masters, or cause their master to develop.
I wanted a story that wasn't boring. Following one character and his self-realization of who he is by saying the same thing over and over and over again until he gets it and takes a stance isn't interesting. We understand this character since we first are introduced to him, and then it takes 15+ episodes before we learn anything new about him, and before (and after) that we just keep being told the same thing. It's like a fly hitting the window, a LP needle getting stuck in a loop.
It's also stuffed with exposition that doesn't keep me interested at all. I fucking love exposition when what's being said is interesting, that's why I adore Quentin Tarantino, that's what made Bakemonogatari so great and why I loved a lot of the characters in Fate/Zero, because their conversations, their dialogues, it kept me interested. Fate/Stay Night is anything but interesting, it's mostly just talking to Osmium and pointing out the obvious and then him ignoring it or agreeing with it but refuses to change.
My "why isn't it more like Zero" isn't because I want it to be Zero, it's because I want it to be good, which Zero was. I could just as well say "Why isn't it more like Bakemonogatari" "Why isn't it more like Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann" because they all express the same desire, a good story, interesting characters, good dialogue and good fights that lasts for longer than 10 seconds.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47951293]jojo is fucking jojo man, even the weakest parts of jojo are more interesting then almost any other shounen, maybe if you stopped trying to question the logic of videogames being too advanced in a universe with cyborgs you'd like it more?[/QUOTE]
The videogame episode was one of the better episodes, so that is a terrible example to use. Still the racing game is a perfect example of everything wrong with Stardust, it's a game that can have any rule it wants, in order to create tension out of thin air he just makes up mechanics and rules for the game. We have no understanding of how the game works and are just presented with arbitrary rules. It's dull and boring, the tension is fake because I can't understand the tactics, rules or mechanics behind the game, so whatever happens just happens. Boring. The reason sports are interesting to people is because they know the rules, it's seeing how people play with those rules that's interesting.
What does it matter that it's "better than almost any other shounen"? Being better than something else doesn't imply good or bad. It's still a shounen that has a lot of incredibly dragged out and boring exposition with asspulled solutions and stands that constantly gets new abilities just because it's convenient or necessary to deal with the situation. Jotaro is incredibly dull.
Battle Tendency was incredible, it was super good and showed just how good JoJo could be. The exposition wasn't worth getting bothered over because the tactics employed were believeable, cunning and extremely fun, and they were employed dynamically, Joseph had to adapt to the fights and try several tricks and tactics before he beat his opponent. Stardust Crusader however is just a lot of asspulling in most situations where they're being overpowered almost the entire fight and then at the last minute they come up with a solution and beat the enemy. It's dull and boring as shit, we don't see the members adapting to the enemy and figuring out how to beat them. They just look around and at the opponent for x amount of time whilst having problems and then suddenly get it, and then we get it explained afterwards. It also has to be mentioned that Joseph was a great fun and interesting character, and he had a catchphrase that he used whenever he finally arrived at a solution to beat the opponent which made it a bit more fun.
Maybe if you realized that it's possible for others to dislike something that you like you wouldn't be trying to ridicule me in order to defend a show. You're not arguing for why the shows are good, you're just telling me that I have wrong opinions. Do you see me trying to use your own words against you? Trying to ridicule you for liking a show or certain aspects of it? If I do please make me aware of it because that's not what I want to do, nor what anyone should be doing. I'm trying to argue about shows not people.
Part 3 has a lot of hype leading up to the Dio part but a lot of the pre-egypt episodes are pointless.
Battle Tendency is still my favorite, young Joseph is great + he's voiced by Sugita. Jotaro is pretty boring. In the newest Part 3 episode when Jotaro [sp]can actually move in time stop, I was spoiled about that with the old fighting game however I thought they were going to reveal it dramatically, not Dio pussying out at the slightest finger twitch.[/sp]
[QUOTE=dgg;47953550] It also has to be mentioned that Jonathan was a great fun and interesting character, and he had a catchphrase that he used whenever he finally arrived at a solution to beat the opponent which made it a bit more fun.[/QUOTE]
It's Joseph, not Jonathan. [del]This must be the work of an enemy Stand![/del]
Also Jotaro isn't the protagonist of Stardust Crusaders, Polnareff is.
I wrote up a big long post summarising your argument over Fate and then realised that you already got to the point I was trying to make. Whoops.
You probably should have distilled your argument down to "regardless of external factors, justifications with how it was first and is how the VN is, and zero's execution of the same premise being arguably superior, /stay night is boring" from the and made that absolute rather than end up inviting people providing justifications for why /Stay Night is how it is because that steered the argument way off track.
[editline]14th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=dgg;47953550]I've called it Assroom since the first episode, it has nothing to do whether I like it or not, and it is not to annoy anyone. It's what I like to call it. Show seemed like it could be interesting at the start, then it just became exposition overload and OH NO EVIL PEOPLE LET'S OVERCOME THEM WITH OUR SUPERIOR TRAINING. Yeah sod off. I wanted to see them struggle to beat an alien (like with that whole water hut setup just recently), not come together under the power of friendship thanks to said alien and then beat everyone else.
Have no reason to.
[/QUOTE]
AssClass isn't a terribly serious show, seems like you're expecting something that it isn't trying to be, for better or worse. And no, you aren't wrong for wanting that, nobody is saying that you're inherently wrong for wanting it to be that way.
It just feels to me like the type of show you have to take for how it is to enjoy it, and what it wants to be is something that uses the premise as an excuse to introduce a bunch of other situations rather than focus entirely on the base premise. If you just find the other stuff boring even avoiding focusing on wanting the base premise to take the main focus then not much I can say anyway.
I'm not sure if it's a valid defence of a show to go "stop wanting it to be better than it is" though.
[QUOTE=dgg;47953550]Have no reason to.[/QUOTE]
You have no reason to watch Kekkai Sensen? m8 what
Plastic Memories hasn't really addressed this but I guess it's okay to fuck your replicant? It is normal for this to happen? Is everyone doing it? They (their personality) can't be older than 7 or 9 years (I forget which) so are they minors? Or is only fucking the ones that look like children considered paedophilia? Or is that actually okay? And how "old" is Isla meant to be? If you told me she was meant to be 12, I'd believe you.
These are the questions I want addressed instead of watching the leads flirt at work.
[QUOTE=Reds;47953620]It's Joseph, not Jonathan. [del]This must be the work of an enemy Stand![/del][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's funny, I was writing Joseph first, but checked wiki to be sure, both Joseph and Jonathan was mentioned but since Jonathan was mentioned after Joseph I just assumed that may have been the right one after all and I just mixed up the jo's. Should have delved further.
[QUOTE=Reds;47953620]You probably should have distilled your argument down to "regardless of external factors, justifications with how it was first and is how the VN is, and zero's execution of the same premise being arguably superior, /stay night is boring" from the and made that absolute rather than end up inviting people providing justifications for why /Stay Night is how it is because that steered the argument way off track.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
[QUOTE=Reds;47953620]AssClass isn't a terribly serious show, seems like you're expecting something that it isn't trying to be, for better or worse. And no, you aren't wrong for wanting that, nobody is saying that you're inherently wrong for wanting it to be that way.
It just feels to me like the type of show you have to take for how it is to enjoy it, and what it wants to be is something that uses the premise as an excuse to introduce a bunch of other situations rather than focus entirely on the base premise. If you just find the other stuff boring even avoiding focusing on wanting the base premise to take the main focus then not much I can say anyway.
I'm not sure if it's a valid defence of a show to go "stop wanting it to be better than it is" though.[/QUOTE]
It's not very good at being a comedy. It doesn't manage to balance the seriousness with the comedy. It's a show that has gone from being a comedy with some seriousness to a serious show with some comedy to lighten the mood. Every episode we have the inner monologue about how they're growing as persons, how much they're learning from their teachers, developing as people and how they're overcoming their limitations. Their position in school is a constant subject. Their recent introduction of the EVIL CORPORATION PEOPLE is fucking stupid. "Face 3 big enemies and then the final boss", it doesn't get more shounen than that.
To me Assroom is a complete mess that has fallen for every trope and terrible thing a shounen can do, the story is just being dragged out as far as it can go so it can keep being published. Instead of creating a story about a class that has to defeat their alien teacher that also ends up being the best person they've ever met it's become a story about a class that originally was to beat an alien but then ends up having to fight against the oppression of their school, an evil corporation and an opposing [sp]alien[/sp]. The evil corporation thing better fucking be [sp]a setup by their teacher to further develop them and keep the trip interesting, otherwise risking the lives of all the fucking students because "they're probably good enough to beat grown adult assassins" is the dumbest fucking shit[/sp]
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